MJ Kobe Lebron?

msgkings322 · May 24, 2020

Montalban said:
Not a chance. The intelligence level of my team would overcome the raw talent of yours.

You can't troll us anymore, Monty. We've all been posting for years we know your deal. Gotta try new sites.

tlance · May 24, 2020

flyerhawk said:
Krause was an arrogant prick but I think people are ignoring the finances of the time. The Bulls couldn't keep paying Jordan 30 million a year when the freaking salary cap was 26 million.

They owed him that.

They were printing money over the course of the 90s and Jordan was always underpaid until his last couple seasons.

Really, what should have happened was Pip should have got 1 year 20 million or so and Jordan should have taken 10. Balance the scales a little. MJ sacrifices for Pip to get paid.

tlance · May 24, 2020

Montalban said:
Not a chance. The intelligence level of my team would overcome the raw talent of yours.

LOL.

I wonder why you assume their intelligence is higher?

The basketball IQ on his side is every bit as high as yours. Maybe higher actually.

msgkings322 · May 24, 2020

tlance said:
They owed him that.

They were printing money over the course of the 90s and Jordan was always underpaid until his last couple seasons.

Really, what should have happened was Pip should have got 1 year 20 million or so and Jordan should have taken 10. Balance the scales a little. MJ sacrifices for Pip to get paid.

Probably something like that, but of course there was zero point zero chance Mike would do that.

msgkings322 · May 24, 2020

tlance said:
LOL.

I wonder why you assume their intelligence is higher?

The basketball IQ on his side is every bit as high as yours. Maybe higher actually.

Don't fall for it. He knows.

flyerhawk · May 24, 2020

tlance said:
They owed him that.

They were printing money over the course of the 90s and Jordan was always underpaid until his last couple seasons.

Really, what should have happened was Pip should have got 1 year 20 million or so and Jordan should have taken 10. Balance the scales a little. MJ sacrifices for Pip to get paid.

Not a chance in hell that MJ would agree to that.

TrustMeIamRight · May 24, 2020

flyerhawk said:
Krause was an arrogant prick but I think people are ignoring the finances of the time. The Bulls couldn't keep paying Jordan 30 million a year when the freaking salary cap was 26 million.

The Bulls were able to pay him that because Pippen was making 3 million a year.
Also, after paying Jordan that much -- he wasn't going to accept less when he won essentially every MVP award (league, all-star, NBA finals), won the scoring title and was 1st team all-NBA and 1st team all-NBA defense in 1998.

Having Jordan gave the Bulls a license to print money, but Jordan made $29 million more than the next highest paid player on the Bulls in 1998.

No chance they could have re-signed all of them back. Half their roster were FA's, including Jordan, Pippen and Rodman. They would have had to spend $100+ million to sign everyone when the salary cap was $27 million.

TrustMeIamRight · May 24, 2020

tlance said:
They owed him that.

They were printing money over the course of the 90s and Jordan was always underpaid until his last couple seasons.

Really, what should have happened was Pip should have got 1 year 20 million or so and Jordan should have taken 10. Balance the scales a little. MJ sacrifices for Pip to get paid.

You know that is never happening. Jordan wasn't taking a $24 million pay cut. He was ready to walk after 1997. He is the one who had to deal with the circus and the guy who essentially turned the Bulls into an organization who was printing money. He would have made the front office bite the bullet and pay Pippen whatever he wanted for 1 year and pay him, at least, what they paid him in 1998.
I can't even imagine how much the Bulls made in just merchandise sales in the 90's. I know I had the Bulls starter jacket in multiple colors and I was a huge Pistons fan.

TrustMeIamRight · May 24, 2020

Holy shit -- I just looked at what Reinsdorf paid for the Bulls in 1984. $16 million. After drafting Jordan -- they went from averaging 6,000 fans to having 8,000 season ticket holders after Jordan's first season.

Chicago is now worth 3.2 billion. Unreal. Not a bad investment.

Mecca · May 24, 2020

Hey, has anyone payed attention to the Amnesty chatter?

Could you imagine getting Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Fat John Wall for the minimum?

As well as CP3 has played, you have to believe he'd be a candidate.

Could you imagine he and BG32 putting aside the hate and joining forces on the Lakers?

Holy Shit.

But, if this amnesty thing were to happen, I'm calling BG32 to.....the DUBS.

bksballer89 · May 24, 2020

Mecca said:
Hey, has anyone payed attention to the Amnesty chatter?

Could you imagine getting Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Fat John Wall for the minimum?

As well as CP3 has played, you have to believe he'd be a candidate.

Could you imagine he and BG32 putting aside the hate and joining forces on the Lakers?

Holy Shit.

But, if this amnesty thing were to happen, I'm calling BG32 to.....the DUBS.

I thought the amnesty was no more?

The Heat could really use John Wall

Mecca · May 25, 2020

bksballer89 said:
I thought the amnesty was no more?

The Heat could really use John Wall

It's in discussions because so many teams might end up in the luxury tax if the Season is canc., truncated etc.

I think they said like 25 teams would be fucked.

How a potential amnesty clause could play out

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

Mecca said:
Yeah, you are wrong.

It was contract length.

They tried to line his deal up with Lebron's.

Lue reportedly declined a three-year, $18 million deal from the Lakers: Lue and his representatives declined the Lakers offer of 3-years, $18 million. Lue was seeking five years. per source. — Brad Turner (@BA_Turner) May 8, 2019

I have no idea what Phil was offered.

It doesn't really matter.

If he was offended, he was offended.

These overpaid Athletes, coaches, executives logic is beyond what the average person seems reasonable, at times.

But we don't know that the deal offered also came with him not being able to pick his own staff. If that was a prerequisite (staff picked for him), no need to even negotiate further for him.

And, yes, it kind of matters what Phillip was offered. Suppose he was offered what top coaches earn and still declined?

But, sure, he does not have to be reasonable nor is he required to stay. But that's as much on him as Krause if that was his choice.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

SJ76 said:
This

Then Krause says you can have a 1 year deal? Oooooh a 1 year deal. After another 3 peat?

Eat a fat dick Krause you’re an idiot

where did we see Phillip was offered a 1 year deal and this is factual?

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

Mecca said:
He did a good job in Chicago.

It would all have been for shit if Jordan didn't fall into his lap.

Don 't lower yourself by comparing Jordan the player to Jordan the executive.

Apple's to fruit roll ups....lol

Take Jordan from the Bulls....

LeBron from the Cavs.....

Dream from the Rox...

What if the Wolves had taken Curry?

What would their trophy cases look like?

Probably the Clippers.

My comment did have MJ removed from the Bulls. They still won 55 games when he quit the first time.

and since we are talking about building a team, doesn't MJ's ability to build one matter compared to Krause?

SJ76 · May 25, 2020

dtgold88 said:
where did we see Phillip was offered a 1 year deal and this is factual?

I believe it was Phil that said it and possibly a few others. You probably need to watch the documentary.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

Mecca said:
To answer your question, he earned the right to go out on his shield.

Why didn't LeBron prove he could win without Kyrie?

Again: At least he was able to actually loose on the court.

Jordan didn't

To be the Champ, you need to beat the Champ.

Nobody beat Michael in the Finals.

agree he has the right to go out as he pleases....but that was his call. No need to blame Krause.

Lebron made it to the Finals without Kyrie. Then joined a team with no other superstars. Not sure why that's relevant though. we are talking about MJ.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

SJ76 said:
And it wasn’t just Jordan. Phil didn’t like his Little man disorder at all. Scottie hated the dude obviously. Did he bring in some good pieces and let Phil take over at the right time?? Sure he did his job well.

This was Phil’s call and it was the right one. Why in the hell would you say to a coach who won back to back titles: “you could go 82-0 and you still won’t be back” ?? That’s just classless and stupid

Now I’m wondering if we are cursed because of it. Like the Cubs were for 100 years

agree was dumb to say (and apologies in advance I might have a number of posts since I was gone yesterday)....but sticks and stones? They begged out because of a comment a guy had made months earlier?

6 titles followed by a curse, though? Can I sign the Browns up for that?

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

TrustMeIamRight said:
What would it prove if he pulled a Lebron and went chasing rings? He proved he could win championships with a 3 peat. Then left for 2 years, the team didn't win, then came back and won 3 more.

He wasn't jumping from team to team with other stars or trying to team up with Barkley, Ewing, Drexler, Olajuwon, Malone, etc. He wanted to bury those players because he had a maniacal obsession to be the best and win. (It is that instinct you are either born with or you aren't)

He proved he was the best over and over. What would he gain by teaming up with others? He didn't need to chase rings -- he won 6 with the team he helped build from the ground up.

stay focused. Once again, who said chase rings? He could stay put and try to win. clearly, whatever he was born with told him he couldn't accomplish much without Scottie and Phillip.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

TrustMeIamRight said:
And Phil had already said -- the Lakers is the job he wanted. I don't think he would have coached anywhere else. He saw the talent they had and knew he could help lead them to titles.

I don't think Jackson is some otherworldly coach. I think he is very good at massaging egos of otherworldly players and getting them all on the same page.

agreed....and helps to have Tex there to run the O for him.

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