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What P5 conference not named 'The PAC' would take Washington

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The scenario in a north/south division pairings would be TERRIBLE for both Udub, Oregon and WV. That's almost coast to coast travel.
It would be more beneficial for all those schools if we had a west/east divisions. With the schools listed in the article;
WEST EAST
USC UT
UCLA BU
UW ou
OR OSU
AZ ISU
ASU KU
Tech KSU
TCU WV

This set up would guarantee atleast one game (if not more) for the PAC schools to have games in TX. Only draw back is even with 16 schools, it means that unless they meet in the CCG, schools from the opposing divisions would face off once every 4 years. A

Article mentions this as a hypothetical "merger" but I think if this came down to a true merger between UT/OU and SC/LA/UW, I think they would be very calculated on who comes along whether in a 12/14/16 school conference.
 

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https://www.foxsports.com/college-f...aluable-football-program-in-the-pac-12-011116
Washington has the most valuable football program in the Pac-12


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yes but if they can grab the AZ and SoCal schools, one would think that the conference would be on much stronger footing, no?
It would be a broader base for sure. But Texas and Oklahoma would still be the only "plums" other conferences would want. I mean Texas Tech, Iowa State and K-State types just aren't attractive to other conferences. JMO.
 

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The B1G took Rutgers! :noidea:

Sure, except Rutgers owns the television market. The University of Washington doesn’t own the television market of the city their University is in.
 

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I've never felt West Virginia is a good fit in the Big XII. Always seemed to me they'd be a natural playing in a conference "closer" to home. So, I'd be all in favor of taking Pac teams but I would add Stanford to the mix instead of having the red headed step child from Morgantown in the conference. Never happen, I know.
 

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Sure, except Rutgers owns the television market. The University of Washington doesn’t own the television market of the city their University is in.
You are right. Well 1/2 right but that wasn't what I was responding to. My response was in regard to whether a school was any good at a sport or not as a reason another conference would puruse them.

During realignment, conferences didn't give a shit about the quality of a school's athletic program when they pursued new members. Many schools that were invited into the conferences hadn't won recent conference championships in any sport in their previous conference...much less one in FB, MBB or WBB. Of the schools that realigned most recently, which one(s) had consistent success in FB/MBB/WBB on a regular basis?

PAC 12: Utah's MWC record? Colorado's Big 12 record?
B1G: Nebraska's Big 12 record? Rutger's Big East record? Maryland's ACC record?
Big 12: TCU's MWC record? West Virginia's Big East record?
SEC: Texas A&M?'s Big 12 record? Missouri's Big 12 record?
ACC: Boston College's Big East record?, Syracuse's Big East record? Pitt's Big East record? Miami's Big East record?

As you said, it was about adding television revenue. And in some cases, it wasn't that the new conference wanted them, it was the school seeking access to a conference so they can feed at the research dollar trough!

We could have a whole thread as to why each school sought a new conference or was pursued by a new conference...but VERY FEW (IF ANY) were sought by a conference because of the previous success of their athletic programs.
 

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It would be a broader base for sure. But Texas and Oklahoma would still be the only "plums" other conferences would want. I mean Texas Tech, Iowa State and K-State types just aren't attractive to other conferences. JMO.
But they are very necessary programs for a conference. How do you think the power teams create their gaudy records every year? It's certainly not by playing a schedule full of only powerful teams. Take OU's or Texas' all-time record vs. those 3 schools (Texas Tech, K-State and Iowa State) away and their all-time wins and and all-time winning % take a serious dip. Plus, these 3 programs are competitive and draw well in both power sports. ISU is top 3 in attendance in both sports actually. Just saying there are two sides to conference mates. That being said, I'd love for 2, 4 or 6 Pac teams to come join the Xii.
 
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But they are very necessary programs for a conference. How do you think the power teams create their gaudy records every year? It's certainly not by playing a schedule full of only powerful teams. Take OU's or Texas' all-time record vs. those 3 schools (Texas Tech, K-State and Iowa State) away and their all-time wins and and all-time winning % take a serious dip. Plus, these 3 programs are competitive and draw well in both power sports. ISU is top 3 in attendance in both sports actually. Just saying there are two sides to conference mates. That being said, I'd love for two or 4 Pac teams to come join the Xii.
No doubt they are necessary for a conference to exist. And I love it when one of the "non marquee" schools have success. In my neck of the woods, there are a lot of rusty cow and agnut fans that are not real satisfied with their schools performance compared to Texas Tech's recently...at least in relation to the correlation between money spent to performance. Tech grabbed headlines in Men's hoops, Baseball and Men's track on a lot less money than what their beloved universities are spending.

Answer this one 78. If you were to give the ACC, SEC, B1G, and PAC 12 the chance to poach a single school from the Big 12, would any of them choose Texas Tech first? How about K-State? TCU?

And the Big 12 isn't any different from any other conference. If the Big 12 had a their "pick of the litter" from the B1G, would Purdue be their first choice? Don't think so.
 

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No doubt they are necessary for a conference to exist. And I love it when one of the "non marquee" schools have success. In my neck of the woods, there are a lot of rusty cow and agnut fans that are not real satisfied with their schools performance compared to Texas Tech's recently...at least in relation to the correlation between money spent to performance. Tech grabbed headlines in Men's hoops, Baseball and Men's track on a lot less money than what their beloved universities are spending.

Answer this one 78. If you were to give the ACC, SEC, B1G, and PAC 12 the chance to poach a single school from the Big 12, would any of them choose Texas Tech first? How about K-State? TCU?

And the Big 12 isn't any different from any other conference. If the Big 12 had a their "pick of the litter" from the B1G, would Purdue be their first choice? Don't think so.
I get your point, but it depends on what the conference wants + it has to be a good thing for both sides. The SEC and B1G are both chock full of Football Powers (with a nice balance) and OU and Texas want no part of that. However, I could see the Pac and ACC wanting those two programs, but the ACC doesn't fit, and the Pac would not be as good for either of those schools who like eyeballs on their product.

So, the real answer to your question is that Iowa State should be the #1 goal of every conference looking for a new program. Member of AAU, Top 3 in the Big Xii in both football and basketball attendance, decent in both sport (Bowls and NCAA Tournaments), the incredible Des Moines TV market and the nicest fans in the country! Will not embarrass the conference in any way, shape or form but not upset the power structure either.

If the conference also needs a basketball power, add KU (along with ISU) and the joint DSM-KC Market, two AAU schools and the top two passionate basketball fan bases in the Xii + a solid football program in ISU that draws well and a sleeping giant in KU - would be hard to pass up! Of course, I like the Xii and would rather import talent than leave for another. So, take my tongue in cheek comments for what they are.

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Rutgers and MD were about TV markets. Nebraska was about a blueblood, even in just in name only. Aggy was also for TV, and Mizzu was.. ??? I even think die hard SEC fans don't know why they really chose to include Mizzu only as a partner for aggy.. Think Utah was a good addition to the PAC, Colorado has a name atleast.
TCU proved itself in Football and baseball, good addition for the Big 12 and despite the distance WV was also a good pick up.
 

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Rutgers and MD were about TV markets. Nebraska was about a blueblood, even in just in name only. Aggy was also for TV, and Mizzu was.. ??? I even think die hard SEC fans don't know why they really chose to include Mizzu only as a partner for aggy.. Think Utah was a good addition to the PAC, Colorado has a name atleast.
TCU proved itself in Football and baseball, good addition for the Big 12 and despite the distance WV was also a good pick up.
I agree that WVU was a good pick up for the Xii. Gives the Xii eyeballs in the East, and I just like 'em. Good series in both football and basketball for Iowa State. However, at the time, I thought they would be the choice for the SEC instead of Mizzou.

The only expansion that makes no sense was the B1G adding Rutgers and Maryland. Regardless of the TVs in the markets, they have diluted the B1G brand and product IMO. The B1G should have stayed pat at 12 - with 4 football super powers and a bunch of other solid programs.
 

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I get your point, but it depends on what the conference wants + it has to be a good thing for both sides. The SEC and B1G are both chock full of Football Powers (with a nice balance) and OU and Texas want no part of that. However, I could see the Pac and ACC wanting those two programs, but the ACC doesn't fit, and the Pac would not be as good for either of those schools who like eyeballs on their product.

So, the real answer to your question is that Iowa State should be the #1 goal of every conference looking for a new program. Member of AAU, Top 3 in the Big Xii in both football and basketball attendance, decent in both sport (Bowls and NCAA Tournaments), the incredible Des Moines TV market and the nicest fans in the country! Will not embarrass the conference in any way, shape or form but not upset the power structure either.

If the conference also needs a basketball power, add KU (along with ISU) and the joint DSM-KC Market, two AAU schools and the top two passionate basketball fan bases in the Xii + a solid football program in ISU that draws well and a sleeping giant in KU - would be hard to pass up! Of course, I like the Xii and would rather import talent than leave for another. So, take my tongue in cheek comments for what they are.

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I'm cynical but IMHO all the conferences AND all the schools want is money. They may try to spin it in an altruistic way but anything can be rationalized.

Why would any PAC school look to move to the Big 12, B1G, SEC or ACC if not for money? No other reason makes any sense whatsoever. Why were the AAC schools trying to get into the Big 12?
 

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Rutgers and MD were about TV markets. Nebraska was about a blueblood, even in just in name only. Aggy was also for TV, and Mizzu was.. ??? I even think die hard SEC fans don't know why they really chose to include Mizzu only as a partner for aggy.. Think Utah was a good addition to the PAC, Colorado has a name atleast.
TCU proved itself in Football and baseball, good addition for the Big 12 and despite the distance WV was also a good pick up.
Mizzou was to get to an even number.
 
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