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I thought we pretty much did this already on the radio.

NFL is at least 10% fake anyhow.
 

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Without fans, the NFL is going to run into the same issue that MLB is having - that is money out of the team pocket - and they will want someone to help off-set the losses.

Either open it up for those willing to attend, or shut it down until everyone can go. Playing for empty seats is a terrible idea for any sport.
 

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Without fans, the NFL is going to run into the same issue that MLB is having - that is money out of the team pocket - and they will want someone to help off-set the losses.

Either open it up for those willing to attend, or shut it down until everyone can go. Playing for empty seats is a terrible idea for any sport.
The NFL has a really good TV deal, though, so at least they can get that money by playing in empty stadiums
 

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The NFL has a really good TV deal, though, so at least they can get that money by playing in empty stadiums
That is true - and I thought about that right after I hit the button to post. The NFL is probably the best league in terms of TV deal set-up to not have to worry much - but, I think you still end up with owners not willing to take the losses out of their own pocket (ticket, concessions, pro-shops, etc...).

I just think, if you are going to open it up - either open it up, or close it down. Doing this half in/half out thing isn't really going to solve anything - especially with the "containment" of this virus, whatever anyone's belief on that may be.
 

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That is true - and I thought about that right after I hit the button to post. The NFL is probably the best league in terms of TV deal set-up to not have to worry much - but, I think you still end up with owners not willing to take the losses out of their own pocket (ticket, concessions, pro-shops, etc...).

I just think, if you are going to open it up - either open it up, or close it down. Doing this half in/half out thing isn't really going to solve anything - especially with the "containment" of this virus, whatever anyone's belief on that may be.
The Bengals are still at least $10 million profitable without fans attending. The owners aren't going to take losses. They will see decreased revenue, but that's better than no revenue.
 

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The Bengals are still at least $10 million profitable without fans attending. The owners aren't going to take losses. They will see decreased revenue, but that's better than no revenue.
Actually, take that back....I don't know how much they would make. By browsing numbers without any detailed insight, it looks like it could be close to even. But that's still better than taking a big "L" which they would do without a season.
 

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Bengals should enlist people to deliver beer to people's houses during the games. and cheerleaders.
 

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Actually, take that back....I don't know how much they would make. By browsing numbers without any detailed insight, it looks like it could be close to even. But that's still better than taking a big "L" which they would do without a season.
Again, agreed. Something is better than nothing, but owners don't always look at it that way. When they are used to making XXX and suddenly are looking at making x - plus any possible increase in expenditures (testing and so forth) - they are going to look to minimize their losses in some fashion. Now, I think the NFL already has a profit sharing of some type (correct me if I am wrong) so some of this may already be mitigated by the CBA.

I have little worries about NFL starting on time - just curious to see how this plays out, especially once MLB gets things ironed out - and to see if there is any ripple effect from that across sports.
 

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I think the NFL has become the ultimate television sport.... The league has basically geared itself to fans watching games at home on their high definition televisions. Watching a game in person is a disjointed mess - All of those television timeouts that happen at home, allowing you to quickly raid the fridge or flip to the redzone channel are a deadzone when watching the game in person. Not enough time to leave your seat and too much time to be entertained. And the NFL (at least when I went) is not like baseball or basketball where they launch t-shirts into the crowd, have ridiculous mascot races, etc. Add in the value of having replays and rapidly improving commentary from guys like Romo and I think it's silly to waste money on tickets.

All of this rant is to say.... I think the NFL will figure out this problem better than other leagues.
 

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I think the NFL has become the ultimate television sport.... The league has basically geared itself to fans watching games at home on their high definition televisions. Watching a game in person is a disjointed mess - All of those television timeouts that happen at home, allowing you to quickly raid the fridge or flip to the redzone channel are a deadzone when watching the game in person. Not enough time to leave your seat and too much time to be entertained. And the NFL (at least when I went) is not like baseball or basketball where they launch t-shirts into the crowd, have ridiculous mascot races, etc. Add in the value of having replays and rapidly improving commentary from guys like Romo and I think it's silly to waste money on tickets.

All of this rant is to say.... I think the NFL will figure out this problem better than other leagues.
Yep. To that point, the NFL has almost made TOO good of a TV deal - so much that even winning teams struggle to fill their massive stadiums. I'm curious to see if we don't start seeing any new stadiums (whenever that is done) start to lower the projected seating totals. Now, I know a lot of these are used for concerts and other areas of use, so that may not occur - but, as you pointed out - the TV experience has taken away the need for in person attendance for game-day.

I'd prefer to go to a bar with my friends, have 10 TV's with all the games on at one time, you can keep up with Fantasy Football, watch every single game and save yourself the hassle of driving and parking, even if you end up still spending about the same amount on food/beer. You can also, as you said, have a similar set up at home, and save even more money, time, aggravation, etc...and have people over.

If I were an owner building a new stadium - I'd probably cap it around 45 or 50K. Lower maintenance cost, smaller footprint, I'd make it as modernized as I could, though - lots of TV's and areas to watch the game AND other games - Anymore, you have to sell the EXPERIENCE and not the game. You can catch the game anywhere...you have to build up the experience of attending in person to make people want to be there.
 
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