Chris Carson

Anointed One · Apr 4, 2020

What should we do with Chris Carson after this season ends? Chris is playing on the last year of his contract... He's missed a few games each season including the postseason last year... Not sure he's a reliable source at RB moving forward... Do we sign him or do we let him walk?

This is what triggered the thought... Should Seahawks buck the 'don't pay running backs' trend with Carson?

HaroldSeattle · Apr 4, 2020

Anointed One said:
What should we do with Chris Carson after this season ends? Chris is playing on the last year of his contract... He's missed a few games each season including the postseason last year... Not sure he's a reliable source at RB moving forward... Do we sign him or do we let him walk?

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This is what triggered the thought... Should Seahawks buck the 'don't pay running backs' trend with Carson?

Will depends, on how he does this season and then what’s the cost is. Won’t surprise me if the Seahawks don’t resign him.

flyerhawk · Apr 4, 2020

I would like to keep him but the reality is that RBs are pretty easy to replace compared to other positions. Pay him a decent salary that is easy to dump if he can't stay healthy. But he's simply not been healthy enough to warrant a big payday.

Screamin12th · Apr 4, 2020

yeah health has a lot to do with it, Carson knows this also so lets see what happens. Also his fumble issue has to get solved. It was bad last year.

MrS · Apr 4, 2020

Let him go, dont even consider resigning him.

Anointed One · Apr 5, 2020

I wouldn't give him more than 5 million a year to be honest... With his fumble issues and the fact that he's injured a bit too much for my liking... We need to move on... I'm sure we'll be drafting another RB.... We'll still have Penny in 2021 if Carson does move on...

jerseyhawksfan79 · Apr 5, 2020

He has to stay healthy this season. If he misses another 3 or more games than let him walk but if he stays healthy and has a solid season than resign him.

Anointed One · Apr 5, 2020

jerseyhawksfan79 said:
He has to stay healthy this season. If he misses another 3 or more games than let him walk but if he stays healthy and has a solid season than resign him.

I wouldn't be opposed to signing him but for how much?

jerseyhawksfan79 · Apr 5, 2020

Anointed One said:
I wouldn't be opposed to signing him but for how much?

If he can stay healthy and put up solid numbers than I'm guessing between 8-10mil per yr. I know RBs are easy to find in the draft but I do believe in having consistent chemistry with the QB. If he's hurt for a period of time than I would still consider resigning him at a low price and draft another RB.

blstoker · Apr 5, 2020

jerseyhawksfan79 said:
If he can stay healthy and put up solid numbers than I'm guessing between 8-10mil per yr. I know RBs are easy to find in the draft but I do believe in having consistent chemistry with the QB. If he's hurt for a period of time than I would still consider resigning him at a low price and draft another RB.

Unless Carson gets something like 1500 yards 10+ TD - I wouldn't give him $8 million per. If he stays healthy, $5-6 million per. That would put him right around other running backs who've been successful but have missed a lot of games due to injury.

jerseyhawksfan79 · Apr 5, 2020

blstoker said:
Unless Carson gets something like 1500 yards 10+ TD - I wouldn't give him $8 million per. If he stays healthy, $5-6 million per. That would put him right around other running backs who've been successful but have missed a lot of games due to injury.

Those type of numbers is where I would start the bid at 8mil but yes anything lower plus injuries and missed games around 4-5mil per year. Let's hope the injury bug stays away and his fumbling reduces cause this guy has the talent to be a top back in the league.

Screamin12th · Apr 6, 2020

i say let him test the FA market and if a team pays him more than we want to then let him walk. Carson has been nice but lets not forget he was a 7th round pick and all though solid he has not been someone that can not be replaced. I like Carson, i don't like the fumbles or the injury history BUT his first injury was from a pretty dirty hit. They had him rolled up then bent his ass backwards when someone was on his legs. that hit was meant to injure someone because he was down and they rolled him up BACKWARDS after the whistle blew.

seattlefan75 · Apr 8, 2020

I like Carson if he has another 1,000 yard season that is 3 straight seasons of around 1,200 yards which puts him top 5 in rushing 3 straight years which to me says a lot not many backs have that on their resume. My only issue is his health and his fumbles if that continues to be a problem if not than 6-8 million is reasonable especially after watching Melvin Gordon who besides 2018 averages less than 4 ypc.

Before everyone all agree to say that finding a running back is easy here is a list of backs we went through after Lynch retired.

Robert Turbin
Thomas Rawls
Bryce Brown
Christine Michael
Fred Jackson
Alex Collins
CJ Prosise
Mike Davis
J.D Mckissic
Eddie Lacey

So lets not act like its extremely easy to go replace a running back and the jury is still out on Penny it isn't easy coming back from a torn ACL

JMR · Apr 8, 2020

I think this is one of those decisions you don't make until you absolutely have to. If Penny bounces back to form after ACL recovery and has a strong season and we use an early draft pick in 2 weeks on a RB as most here seem to want/think, then that's setting things up for 2020 to be Carson's last season unless we plan to run the wishbone in '21.

To me, Carson is the exact type of runner this offense needs. His top end isn't special, but his burst is and of course he runs with as much power as anyone out there right now. Critics can bring up injury history, but he's missed 3 regular season games the last 2 years. Fumbling could be a bigger concern, but that is pretty much isolated to the '19 season. I would like to see him re-signed, but it would need to be a price that makes sense for the team. Overpaying at some positions is ok, but RB isn't one of them.

HaroldSeattle · Apr 8, 2020

To the question of why draft a RB when we have Chris Carson and to his status I give you the time line on when he'll be ready from Pete himself. It's been pushed back from he'll be ready by camp time to we expect he'll be ready to the start of the season.

January 1st we have this:

Feb 29 we get this:

As you can see the date for Carson being ready to go is getting pushed back from ready for training camp to ready by week 1. Not a encouraging sign. It's only April would not be a shock to hear "Carson will be ready within a month of the start of the season" and who knows if the injuries have taken a toll? Think back to Thomas Rawls, never was the same after his big injury.
I don't see any way the Seahawks fail to draft a RB. That position is way to important to Pete to cross your fingers and hope.
Rather then talk about if the Seahawks draft a RB, the subject should change to who will the Seahawks draft at RB.
I'm fully on board with drafting a RB because I believe in Pete Carroll system of a good ground game combined with a good defense makes for a contender. 49ers were a example of that, so were the Ravens last year. The defense needs a lot of work and I understand that. Feel the Seahawks will do their best to address that in the draft. Combine that with additions they have made and hoping for progress with the young players, I'm encouraged.
I'll be more encouraged to see a offense that has a ground game to chew up the clock and help the defense in that fashion. The run game was toothless once both Penny and Carson were out last season. No way that Pete risks being in that spot again by gambling that Carson will be health and shine despite the hip injury. Heck there really isn't a alternative on the roster and signing the next Eddie Lacy isn't attractive either. It's just the nature of the position that you have a high rate of turn over. Can't afford to be sentimental. You got to be ready to move on to the next player up.

Screamin12th · Apr 8, 2020

Hip injuries are no joke and it means that Carson out powered his bone structure. You know who else did that to themselves? Bo Jackson. Ok i am not saying he is a Bo Jackson type runner what i am saying is his body might not be built to handle his muscle structure. It's like putting massive muscles on a tooth pick bone structure or a two by four bone build if you get my meaning. Yes everyones bone structure is different and lighter built bones can not handle massive builds. I think Carson looks to be more on the lighter side when it comes to the bone build ( think Lockett with 40 more pounds of muscle )

Yeah i feel they will need to get a RB but i also think they can find one after or in the 5th that can run well enough to be a threat. This team though needs to move more into a Wilson driven team ( and stats and metrics show this ) than a Running back driven team. When you have a player like Wilson that will open up the running game. He Makes EVERYONE around him better that doesn't just include the Olineman and WR/TE but the RB if he is allowed to be more "involved".

HaroldSeattle · Apr 8, 2020

Screamin12th said:
Hip injuries are no joke and it means that Carson out powered his bone structure. You know who else did that to themselves? Bo Jackson. Ok i am not saying he is a Bo Jackson type runner what i am saying is his body might not be built to handle his muscle structure. It's like putting massive muscles on a tooth pick bone structure or a two by four bone build if you get my meaning. Yes everyones bone structure is different and lighter built bones can not handle massive builds. I think Carson looks to be more on the lighter side when it comes to the bone build ( think Lockett with 40 more pounds of muscle )

Yeah i feel they will need to get a RB but i also think they can find one after or in the 5th that can run well enough to be a threat. This team though needs to move more into a Wilson driven team ( and stats and metrics show this ) than a Running back driven team. When you have a player like Wilson that will open up the running game. He Makes EVERYONE around him better that doesn't just include the Olineman and WR/TE but the RB if he is allowed to be more "involved".

The Seahawks are not changing to a Chief style offense. Going be what they have always been. What Pete believes in. Strong ground game and good defense. Need work on both counts and that’s what the Seahawks will concentrate on in the draft.

Screamin12th · Apr 9, 2020

HaroldSeattle said:
The Seahawks are not changing to a Chief style offense. Going be what they have always been. What Pete believes in. Strong ground game and good defense. Need work on both counts and that’s what the Seahawks will concentrate on in the draft.

If they stick to that style with this defense they will have a hard time, 8-8 at best next year. Unless they somehow get a great running game like #1 in the NFL with their defense they wont win many games. This defense will need to take a step forward this offseason going into next season and right now i just see a team staying a float. I don't think they have over all got better yet but we still have the draft.

JMR · Apr 9, 2020

HaroldSeattle said:
To the question of why draft a RB when we have Chris Carson and to his status I give you the time line on when he'll be ready from Pete himself. It's been pushed back from he'll be ready by camp time to we expect he'll be ready to the start of the season.

January 1st we have this:

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Feb 29 we get this:

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As you can see the date for Carson being ready to go is getting pushed back from ready for training camp to ready by week 1. Not a encouraging sign. It's only April would not be a shock to hear "Carson will be ready within a month of the start of the season" and who knows if the injuries have taken a toll? Think back to Thomas Rawls, never was the same after his big injury.
I don't see any way the Seahawks fail to draft a RB. That position is way to important to Pete to cross your fingers and hope.
Rather then talk about if the Seahawks draft a RB, the subject should change to who will the Seahawks draft at RB.
I'm fully on board with drafting a RB because I believe in Pete Carroll system of a good ground game combined with a good defense makes for a contender. 49ers were a example of that, so were the Ravens last year. The defense needs a lot of work and I understand that. Feel the Seahawks will do their best to address that in the draft. Combine that with additions they have made and hoping for progress with the young players, I'm encouraged.
I'll be more encouraged to see a offense that has a ground game to chew up the clock and help the defense in that fashion. The run game was toothless once both Penny and Carson were out last season. No way that Pete risks being in that spot again by gambling that Carson will be health and shine despite the hip injury. Heck there really isn't a alternative on the roster and signing the next Eddie Lacy isn't attractive either. It's just the nature of the position that you have a high rate of turn over. Can't afford to be sentimental. You got to be ready to move on to the next player up.

That's the best there is? A tweet from 6 weeks ago that says he's expected to be ready for week 1? And somehow ready for week 1 means not ready for camp? Do we even know what the question was that the unnamed person (no quote attributed) was answering?

This was posted on the Draft Sharks website on Feb 25th:

"Seahawks GM John Schneider said that RB Chris Carson should be ready for the start of the season, according to ESPN's Brady Henderson. Carson sustained a season-ending hip fracture on Dec. 22. We'll certainly be watching this progress through the offseason and training camp."

I don't know who wrote it (probably the same person that provides all the other Hawks injury updates on that site), but at least there's a mention of a source. With things shut down, this might be the best we get for a while. But I fail to see how the early Jan news of "no surgery needed" plus the late Feb news of "should be ready for the start of the season" equals greater concern about his status. It just doesn't add up.

HaroldSeattle · Apr 9, 2020

Guess I'll agree to disagree about how concerning Carson injury is. As I said I'll going on record predicting the Seahawks to draft a RB they can plug in. I'm guessing round 3. Hip injury is a major concern, got to be prepared for the worse and hope for the best. Drafting a RB is more economical then signing a FA and seems like a wiser course for both short term and long term, considering Carson injury and that he'll be a free agent next off season

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