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Because we, as Seahawks fans, saw Ifedi play every down and the expectations we had with him being a first round pick, we tend to judge him harshly. We've seen him make his mistakes and judged him under a microscope and forget that the rest of the league hasn't all be sunshine and roses at the RT spot. I started mapping out every starting tackle, but really only got through the AFC East, and in just that division there were 2 teams that would've loved to have him starting as the RT if PFF is to be believed in their ratings. Ifedi isn't elite by any means, but he grades out as a starting RT, and he's still young and possibly not at the peak of his talent yet. I expect him to be in the $5-7 million a year range with up to 5 years on the contract, though he could be paid much higher than that.

Geoff Schwartz: Someone is going to pay Germain Ifedi top dollar in free agency
 

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Because we, as Seahawks fans, saw Ifedi play every down and the expectations we had with him being a first round pick, we tend to judge him harshly. We've seen him make his mistakes and judged him under a microscope and forget that the rest of the league hasn't all be sunshine and roses at the RT spot. I started mapping out every starting tackle, but really only got through the AFC East, and in just that division there were 2 teams that would've loved to have him starting as the RT if PFF is to be believed in their ratings. Ifedi isn't elite by any means, but he grades out as a starting RT, and he's still young and possibly not at the peak of his talent yet. I expect him to be in the $5-7 million a year range with up to 5 years on the contract, though he could be paid much higher than that.

Geoff Schwartz: Someone is going to pay Germain Ifedi top dollar in free agency
That's a pretty good, honest assessment by Schwartz. I think the number he brings up is high but it wouldn't surprise ne if Ifedi got 8-9 mil from some desperate, shitty team.
The last part of that article is what pisses me off about Pete as well. Way too worried about continuity and not worried enough about putting the best players out there. We have a HOF caliber QB that we can't protect and PC won't make the changes needed to let the guy be his best. Keeping Tom Cable around as long as he did was part of that as well.
Ironic that you guys mentioned all those DBs in the busts post. What the team needs is to build up the trenches and get us good in that area. Then the DBs like Flowers won't be exposed so bad and our offense,( which has the potential to be one of the best in the league) can be more consistent with solid Oline play. And that also protects the defense. I'm not suggesting they spend high picks on project guys but something needs to change in their drafting strategy. We need to get some talent on the line that can learn the nuances from the veterans and be ready to take over. And we aren't likely to stumble on a Quentin Nelson type either so we better be smart about things.
 

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Mocks I've seen thus far have us taking:

Yetur Gross-Matos DE, Penn State (Casserly, Wilson, Prisco, Brinson, Brooks)
Shane Lemieux, G Oregon (Walterfootball)
Austin Jackson, T USC (Trapasso, Chapman)
CJ Henderson, CB Alabama (Edwards)
Grant Delspit, S LSU (Wright, DraftBlaster)
Justin Madubuike, DT Texas A&M (Knox)
ROss Blacklock, DT TCU (Reuter, Jeremiah)
K'Lavon Chaisson, OLB LSU (DraftSite)
AJ Epenesa, DE Iowa (Zierlein)
Trevon Diggs, CB Alabama (Renner)
Tyler Biadasz, C/G Wisconsin (Schmelzer)
Josh Jones, T Houston (Tankathon)
 

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As much as we have other needs, I wonder if the Seahawks might target a WR in the first 3 rounds. I know that sounds strange to say, but after Lockett and Metcalf, the Seahawks don't really have many reliable options and this is the best WR class I've ever seen.

I honestly see CeeDee Lamb, Jerry Jeudy, Henry Ruggs, Jalen Reagor, Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins and Laviska Shenault Jr. as WRs who would go in the top 15 in most drafts.

Although - as of now - we have a desperate need on both sides of the line, the Seahawks could have the opportunity to pick up an elite WR at the back end of the first round.
 

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As much as we have other needs, I wonder if the Seahawks might target a WR in the first 3 rounds. I know that sounds strange to say, but after Lockett and Metcalf, the Seahawks don't really have many reliable options and this is the best WR class I've ever seen.

I honestly see CeeDee Lamb, Jerry Jeudy, Henry Ruggs, Jalen Reagor, Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins and Laviska Shenault Jr. as WRs who would go in the top 15 in most drafts.

Although - as of now - we have a desperate need on both sides of the line, the Seahawks could have the opportunity to pick up an elite WR at the back end of the first round.

It's an interesting thought about WR in the first. I guess we'll get a better idea once we're through the first couple of weeks of FA.
 

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Wr in the first 3 rounds? nah but in the 5th or 6th sure. There will be 3rd round talent at WR in the 5th round of this draft i have no doubts about that just because of the depth there in this draft. Lockett, DK, Moore (seemed to have that "year 2 slump" that we see often from WR's) and then Turner who had like a 75% catch success rate and i still believe Ursua is going to be a special WR.

Yes we saw Moore have a bad season but Moore also had a bad injury in preseason that some might have forgot about and who knows where his head was after that being so young it can really affect your game. The Hawks do not lack talent in the WR room that's for sure but they very well could add to it. Wouldn't be the first time they draft a player at a position that all ready looked to be strong before the draft lol.

Still like i said a WR in the first 3 rounds would make me feel sick to my stomach when DT, DE, CB, OT, OG all are MUCH MUCH MUCH greater needs. I would have thrown TE in that group also but with them Signing Olsen i think that tells me that TE wont be drafted and if they do it wont be till the 6th or 7th round or a undrafted rookie. Heck even RB feels like a bigger need than WR right now. Well and Safety to be honest .... and Linebacker so hmm the one spot on this team i think they are the strongest is WR depth so yeah drafting a WR in the first 3 rounds would make me sick to my stomach and i might throw my remote through my TV set.

Drafting a WR in the first 3 rounds this draft would feel like them drafting a 1st round QB in 2014 lol.
 
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Wr in the first 3 rounds? nah but in the 5th or 6th sure. There will be 3rd round talent at WR in the 5th round of this draft i have no doubts about that just because of the depth there in this draft. Lockett, DK, Moore (seemed to have that "year 2 slump" that we see often from WR's) and then Turner who had like a 75% catch success rate and i still believe Ursua is going to be a special WR.

Yes we saw Moore have a bad season but Moore also had a bad injury in preseason that some might have forgot about and who knows where his head was after that being so young it can really affect your game. The Hawks do not lack talent in the WR room that's for sure but they very well could add to it. Wouldn't be the first time they draft a player at a position that all ready looked to be strong before the draft lol.

Still like i said a WR in the first 3 rounds would make me feel sick to my stomach when DT, DE, CB, OT, OG all are MUCH MUCH MUCH greater needs. I would have thrown TE in that group also but with them Signing Olsen i think that tells me that TE wont be drafted and if they do it wont be till the 6th or 7th round or a undrafted rookie. Heck even RB feels like a bigger need than WR right now. Well and Safety to be honest .... and Linebacker so hmm the one spot on this team i think they are the strongest is WR depth so yeah drafting a WR in the first 3 rounds would make me sick to my stomach and i might throw my remote through my TV set.

Drafting a WR in the first 3 rounds this draft would feel like them drafting a 1st round QB in 2014 lol.

I have to preface this by saying that I don't think that the Seahawks should draft a WR in the first 3 rounds given the other positional needs...

BUT to play Devil's Advocate, there is an argument for it.

First off, the WR talent in this draft is historic. It's not just me saying that. From the Seattle Times: “I’ve got 27 wide receivers with top-three-round grades in this draft,’’ Jeremiah said last week. “And consider (that an) average (of) 31 are taken. … So this is a really phenomenal group of wideouts. Not all those guys are going to go early. They’ll end up spreading throughout the draft.’’

There is a possibility that a guy who would normally go top-15 in most drafts would fall to the Seahawks in the second round. It's hard to pass that type of value up when the Seahawks depth at WR is not great after Metcalf and Lockett.

I like your optimism regarding the Seahawks WR room, but I respectfully disagree to a certain extent. I don't think that there is much of a sure thing beyond Metcalf and Lockett. Injuries happen, and if we were to lose one or both of those guys it would be devastating, especially given the fact that teams are now using 3 WR formations much more frequently.

I 100,000% agree that WR is not nearly as big of a need as the positions you mentioned, but I wouldn't be too upset if they took someone in the first 3 rounds given the insane amount of talent available. Once again, I'd rather focus on the lines but the Seahawks could really get a great value if they selected one of the WRs who fell. Not advocating drafting a WR, mostly just giving the reasons why it could make sense.

It likely won't happen but it's kind of a fun thought experiment.
 

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Because we, as Seahawks fans, saw Ifedi play every down and the expectations we had with him being a first round pick, we tend to judge him harshly. We've seen him make his mistakes and judged him under a microscope and forget that the rest of the league hasn't all be sunshine and roses at the RT spot. I started mapping out every starting tackle, but really only got through the AFC East, and in just that division there were 2 teams that would've loved to have him starting as the RT if PFF is to be believed in their ratings. Ifedi isn't elite by any means, but he grades out as a starting RT, and he's still young and possibly not at the peak of his talent yet. I expect him to be in the $5-7 million a year range with up to 5 years on the contract, though he could be paid much higher than that.

Geoff Schwartz: Someone is going to pay Germain Ifedi top dollar in free agency

This is what PFF said about Ifedi for what it's worth:

"Ifedi's age, first-round pedigree and starting experience will likely lead to a decent contract offer once free agency begins, thanks in part to the fact that there's just a lack of offensive tackles readily available. Simply put, Ifedi hasn't been very productive on the football field. In four years as a starter for the Seahawks, Ifedi has PFF grades of 52.0, 51.7, 55.6 and 58.8. His run-blocking grade of 48.7 since entering the NFL in 2016 ranks third-worst among all tackles with 1,500 or more offensive snaps over that span. It’s hard to get excited about what he brings to the table from a production standpoint."

Someone will overpay for him and hopefully it won't be us. This doesn't even mention the penalties he commits.
 

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I have to preface this by saying that I don't think that the Seahawks should draft a WR in the first 3 rounds given the other positional needs...

BUT to play Devil's Advocate, there is an argument for it.

First off, the WR talent in this draft is historic. It's not just me saying that. From the Seattle Times: “I’ve got 27 wide receivers with top-three-round grades in this draft,’’ Jeremiah said last week. “And consider (that an) average (of) 31 are taken. … So this is a really phenomenal group of wideouts. Not all those guys are going to go early. They’ll end up spreading throughout the draft.’’

There is a possibility that a guy who would normally go top-15 in most drafts would fall to the Seahawks in the second round. It's hard to pass that type of value up when the Seahawks depth at WR is not great after Metcalf and Lockett.

I like your optimism regarding the Seahawks WR room, but I respectfully disagree to a certain extent. I don't think that there is much of a sure thing beyond Metcalf and Lockett. Injuries happen, and if we were to lose one or both of those guys it would be devastating, especially given the fact that teams are now using 3 WR formations much more frequently.

I 100,000% agree that WR is not nearly as big of a need as the positions you mentioned, but I wouldn't be too upset if they took someone in the first 3 rounds given the insane amount of talent available. Once again, I'd rather focus on the lines but the Seahawks could really get a great value if they selected one of the WRs who fell. Not advocating drafting a WR, mostly just giving the reasons why it could make sense.

It likely won't happen but it's kind of a fun thought experiment.

thats why i said draft one in the 5th or later because you will get a 3rd round talent. No need to even think about one in the first 3 rounds. Also i mentioned EVERY position group minus TE and QB so you want to skip needs? This is a SUPER DEEP WR class you can get 3rd round or better talent in the 5th.
 

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Mocks I've seen thus far have us taking:

Yetur Gross-Matos DE, Penn State (Casserly, Wilson, Prisco, Brinson, Brooks)
Shane Lemieux, G Oregon (Walterfootball)
Austin Jackson, T USC (Trapasso, Chapman)
CJ Henderson, CB Alabama (Edwards)
Grant Delspit, S LSU (Wright, DraftBlaster)
Justin Madubuike, DT Texas A&M (Knox)
ROss Blacklock, DT TCU (Reuter, Jeremiah)
K'Lavon Chaisson, OLB LSU (DraftSite)
AJ Epenesa, DE Iowa (Zierlein)
Trevon Diggs, CB Alabama (Renner)
Tyler Biadasz, C/G Wisconsin (Schmelzer)
Josh Jones, T Houston (Tankathon)

Since I've been sick the last week with what hopefully isn't the coronavirus, I've naturally dedicated my time to reading scouting reports and watching film on college prospects.

I really like Yetur Gross-Matos, I'd be surprised if he blows people away with his measurables but he reminds me a lot of a smaller version of Carlos Dunlap. He uses his length and hands really well. I don't know what he was measured at, but he has the arm length of someone 3 inches taller and uses that really well to disengage from blockers. He's my second favorite edge rusher in this draft.

I've seen him mocked to the Seahawks as well, but after watching him I would find it surprising if he fell that far.
 

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thats why i said draft one in the 5th or later because you will get a 3rd round talent. No need to even think about one in the first 3 rounds.

That's fair. Here is a hypothetical situation for you though:

If a WR with top-15 talent falls to you at the end of the second round, do you take him or take a second/third round caliber talent at a position of need? I ask this because I think it could be a decision the Seahawks might have to make.
 

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that all depends now doesn't it? If there is a 2nd round talent at DE/DT/CB/S/OL i would take one of them over this WR or i would think about trading "Lockett" for a Pick later in 2nd and then grab the WR talent.

I want to add that i have no doubts when the Hawks pick in the 2nd there will be a 2nd round talent at WR but not a 1st round talent let alone a top 15 talent.

The Big thing here you are forgetting is this coaching staff wont let Wilson do his thing. Even though it pisses me off and i think we would be a better team on offense it just makes no sense to draft another top flight WR when they don't use the ones we got enough.
 
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this is a comment from a talking head and kind of explains why i would be reluctant to draft a WR in the first 3 rounds.

"Another year, another Seattle playoff loss caused by terrible playcalling by offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer. Last year, the Seahawks stubbornly ran the ball against the Dallas Cowboys instead of passing it. In 2020, he did it once again. The Seahawks handed off the ball to their running backs 17 times for a grand total of 46 yards. You have Russell Wilson, throw the ball! Of course, they allowed him to pass in the second half, but that was after facing a huge deficit. Also, there were no designed runs for Russ, who we know makes the most of every play he has the ball in his hands."


Are the Hawks going to turn into a pass first offense? i don't think so not with Pete as the HC and Schittenheimer as the OC.
 

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This is what PFF said about Ifedi for what it's worth:

"Ifedi's age, first-round pedigree and starting experience will likely lead to a decent contract offer once free agency begins, thanks in part to the fact that there's just a lack of offensive tackles readily available. Simply put, Ifedi hasn't been very productive on the football field. In four years as a starter for the Seahawks, Ifedi has PFF grades of 52.0, 51.7, 55.6 and 58.8. His run-blocking grade of 48.7 since entering the NFL in 2016 ranks third-worst among all tackles with 1,500 or more offensive snaps over that span. It’s hard to get excited about what he brings to the table from a production standpoint."

Someone will overpay for him and hopefully it won't be us. This doesn't even mention the penalties he commits.

I agree with all of this. I find it interesting that PFF grades his run blocking so low, as they have his pass pro in the low 60s. Most complaints about Ifedi has been his pass pro - not his run block - and yet that's a much better part of his game. I'm not saying he's a world beater, just that he's gonna get another chance to start somewhere next year.
 

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I agree with all of this. I find it interesting that PFF grades his run blocking so low, as they have his pass pro in the low 60s. Most complaints about Ifedi has been his pass pro - not his run block - and yet that's a much better part of his game. I'm not saying he's a world beater, just that he's gonna get another chance to start somewhere next year.

I also agree with all of this. I was surprised that PFF gave him a poor run block grade as well. Pretty sure they also gave D.J. Fluker a poor run blocking grade and I personally felt he was a monster opening up holes, but was horrendous in pass protection.

He'll definitely be starting somewhere next year. I just hope it's not with us for what he's commanding.
 

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So, with a few days removed, does Zach Moss' combine results hurt him as much as some pundits are indicating - dropping him to the 4th round or later?
 

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So, with a few days removed, does Zach Moss' combine results hurt him as much as some pundits are indicating - dropping him to the 4th round or later?

It might, but would be beneficial to us if he does.
 

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It might, but would be beneficial to us if he does.

Maybe, but without breakaway speed, he could find it hard to break the tackles and get big gains like he did in college
 

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Carson doesn't have breakaway speed either, thats the mold we want in a RB. I really feel penny is an anomaly for us.
 
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