Emmitt Smith: Dak should give Dallas a hometown discount

PEOPLESCHICKEN · Feb 21, 2020

Iggloo said:
Hilarious, coming from a guy who held out and missed games while he sought a monster deal!

Exactly! He didn't give any discounts

so shut the fuck up Emmitt

HaroldSeattle · Feb 21, 2020

SteelersPride said:
Talk was he took less than he could to help his line out. But it don't matter . Daks gonna get paid. Jerry screwed up with his contracts this year.

Dak is going to get his money. Honestly if I was in Dak place I'd hold out for the going rate, kind of insult to expect him to settle for less, especially after paying Zeke before his rookie contract was due. Cowboys got the cap space, it's all about trying for the best deal for both parties at this point.

SteelersPride · Feb 21, 2020

HaroldSeattle said:
Dak is going to get his money. Honestly if I was in Dak place I'd hold out for the going rate, kind of insult to expect him to settle for less, especially after paying Zeke before his rookie contract was due. Cowboys got the cap space, it's all about trying for the best deal for both parties at this point.

Totally agree. Amari and dak are where the money should of went....

SteelersPride · Feb 21, 2020

Manster7588 said:
I see he was the highest paid in 2008 the year he signed. Now 2015 he signed for basically the same amount he signed in 08. I'd say that was a discount.
Just my opinion.

Then I stand corrected and totally have my shit mixed up. :tsk:

Manster7588 · Feb 21, 2020

SteelersPride said:
Then I stand corrected and totally have my shit mixed up.

In fairness I don't think salaries were skyrocketing in 08 though, so it may not have seemed as that big of a deal, and Ben was unquestionably one of the best under center.

SteelersPride · Feb 21, 2020

Manster7588 said:
In fairness I don't think salaries were skyrocketing in 08 though, so it may not have seemed as that big of a deal, and Ben was unquestionably one of the best under center.

I swear o heard that thiiuyy . I got soenthing mixed up

Manster7588 · Feb 21, 2020

SteelersPride said:
I swear o heard that thiiuyy . I got soenthing mixed up

I do remember they said Ben gave a discount, if the internet wasn't at our fingertips I'd simply agree with you on the the matter. Looking at both 2008 and 2015 contracts being in the 87M area I'd say 2015 was a big discount considering it was 7 years later with many other QBs resetting the bar annually.

ATL96Steeler · Feb 22, 2020

PDay8810 said:
I can't agree with this and I know his agent sure doesn't. Maybe IF this wasn't Dak's first contract after his rookie 4th round deal you'd have a point

4 years times 7M is 28M.
That a bunch of money for a player who's far and away outplayed his contract for the last 4 years

Fair points, but with an 11th ranked DEF, your best year results in a .500 record...that's a hollow performance imo. That means he's probably not making enough critical plays to win games.

Let's say Dak holds firm on $35m...and Jerry holds firm on $28m.

Realistically...who on the open market will pay Dak $35 mil per for 4 or 5 years?

Bucs? Chargers? Patriots? Panthers? Bears? Colts?

I understand it only takes one, but I'm not convinced there's a team out there that will belly up to $140+ mil to DAK over 4 yrs. If I were Dak's agent, I would take the $28m per deal and try to max out on the guaranteed money.

ATL96Steeler · Feb 22, 2020

Manster7588 said:
7M is huge no matter how you slice it. If he signs for the reported 33M or even slightly less, that should be seen as a team discount at this point.

In hind sight Dallas should have paid him the 28M this time last season.

This in bold...100%.

I'm just a little unsure of the $30+m market outside of DAL.

ATL96Steeler · Feb 22, 2020

Ricky Roma said:
It's a big deal for his agent....sure the notion was that he took a discount, but the agent also has intentions to get a bigger deal to set up further clients. Guaranteed he's in Prescotts ear giving his opinion on whether he should take a home town discount.

It is a big deal for his agent, but every negotiation I'm guessing has it's own fingerprint to a large degree...where the team is cap wise, the player himself are major factors. Same agent, If we put Pat Mahomes in this very same position...KC couldn't write the check fast enough. Yet with Dak...here we are.

On the flip...the agent holds firm (for Dak and future clients) and this end up with Dak not getting a $100m contract somehow.

Say Dak gets tagged, he just had his career best season...is it more likely with a new OFC/OC/HC that he improves on that or slightly less effective in the 1st yr.? If he has a so so or even a comparable season to last, and DAL misses the playoffs again. He's probably not getting tagged again, and the '21 offseason he's competing with the Lawrence kid from Clemson and OH St QB Fields will be coming out.

Maybe by then NO is finally ready to turn the page on Brees, who knows, but that's a long way out...the point of this is it's not out of the realm for Dak to get franchise tagged and have a so so year under the tag and face a blah market in '21.

PDay8810 · Feb 22, 2020

ATL96Steeler said:
Fair points, but with an 11th ranked DEF, your best year results in a .500 record...that's a hollow performance imo. That means he's probably not making enough critical plays to win games.

Let's say Dak holds firm on $35m...and Jerry holds firm on $28m.

Realistically...who on the open market will pay Dak $35 mil per for 4 or 5 years?

Bucs? Chargers? Patriots? Panthers? Bears? Colts?

I understand it only takes one, but I'm not convinced there's a team out there that will belly up to $140+ mil to DAK over 4 yrs. If I were Dak's agent, I would take the $28m per deal and try to max out on the guaranteed money.

now you're taking this to a whole other direction. I just responded to you thinking Dak should give a 7M yearly discount after being paid peanuts for his 1st four seasons.

Jerry has blown this...it's that simple. Rams & Eagles stepped up and paid their QB while Dallas asked for a prove it season, to which Dak delivered. I think the tag is almost for sure at this point, which would piss just about any QB off.

BUT yes...in an open market, I'd think a team would pay Dak 35M per over 4 years, just don't think that plays out this year

HaroldSeattle · Feb 22, 2020

PDay8810 said:
BUT yes...in an open market, I'd think a team would pay Dak 35M per over 4 years, just don't think that plays out this year

Seems naive to think Dak couldn't get that 35 million over 4 years, given what other QBs like Cousin and Jimmy G have been paid. Just off the top of my head if the Bengals could sign Dak they could put the 1.1 on the trade block and pull in a kings ransom for the pick. Dolphins come to mind also, Dak would be way safer then a rookie QB with health questions and then they could use all those draft picks they own to put together a solid team around him.

SteelersPride · Feb 22, 2020

HaroldSeattle said:
Seems naive to think Dak couldn't get that 35 million over 4 years, given what other QBs like Cousin and Jimmy G have been paid. Just off the top of my head if the Bengals could sign Dak they could put the 1.1 on the trade block and pull in a kings ransom for the pick. Dolphins come to mind also, Dak would be way safer then a rookie QB with health questions and then they could use all those draft picks they own to put together a solid team around him.

In all honesty Miami would never take a proven talent over a question mark. Which would allow them to stock even more with picks and plug their weakness. That would be Smart, and Miami screws up everything.

ATL96Steeler · Feb 23, 2020

HaroldSeattle said:
Seems naive to think Dak couldn't get that 35 million over 4 years, given what other QBs like Cousin and Jimmy G have been paid. Just off the top of my head if the Bengals could sign Dak they could put the 1.1 on the trade block and pull in a kings ransom for the pick. Dolphins come to mind also, Dak would be way safer then a rookie QB with health questions and then they could use all those draft picks they own to put together a solid team around him.

It does seem naive, but I'm struggling with that team.

CIN...no way, not in Brown's dna.

MIA...they will spend on outside FA...with them being in tank mode LY to get a top rookie...I don't see them shifting gears to a big time FA...if it's Tua they draft, it would be far cheaper to tack on another yr for Fitz as stop gap to Tua in '21.

The Chargers seem like the most logical, but if there not many other suitors...why pony up $35m?

I've said it only takes one and I'm not it won't happen, but it doesn't appear to be clear cut.

HaroldSeattle · Feb 23, 2020

ATL96Steeler said:
It does seem naive, but I'm struggling with that team.

CIN...no way, not in Brown's dna.

MIA...they will spend on outside FA...with them being in tank mode LY to get a top rookie...I don't see them shifting gears to a big time FA...if it's Tua they draft, it would be far cheaper to tack on another yr for Fitz as stop gap to Tua in '21.

The Chargers seem like the most logical, but if there not many other suitors...why pony up $35m?

I've said it only takes one and I'm not it won't happen, but it doesn't appear to be clear cut.

A team will pony up. History shows that QBs get paid. Even a back up clipboard holder can garner a record setting contract based on his connection to the Pats ( as clipboard holder) and big dreams for his potential based on a 5 game trial.

Dolphins make the most sense with the most cap space and the need at QB and a wiliness to get aggressive when it suits them. Cowboys pony up market price now, or pay more down the road after tagging him this season. The alternative would be to let him walk, in which case signing Zeke was a waste because too hard to win without the franchise QB in place. It's not like they have some hot backup or a better option on the FA market or are in a position to draft a viable QB. The lack of a viable alternative really makes it hard to understand the haggling going on this long. All it's doing is costing them more. They need to just complete the deal.

PDay8810 · Feb 23, 2020

HaroldSeattle said:
The lack of a viable alternative really makes it hard to understand the haggling going on this long. All it's doing is costing them more. They need to just complete the deal.

Correct. Your points above is what dominates the Dallas Sports talk. The Cowboys have leaked they offered top 5 money with no mention of term or guaranteed money. Hell....that could mean 28M, which would be about 3M more than their initial offer. Jerry Jones is fucking this up. He loves the national attention, and this remains the biggest problem in Dallas.

Dr. Strangelove · Feb 23, 2020

Well, the Jones' better get their head out of their asses soon or 35 mil is gonna look like chump change. I see a lot of people commenting on how Dak isn't a 35 mil QB and should be happy with what they offer but I think you have to look at what Goff and Wentz got last season as a starting point. Those are the comparables at this point in time.
Then there is the franchise tag that gives him about 27 mil this year iirc. Which leaves them in limbo for another season while Mahomes and Watson drive the market much higher. Now, before any of you morons say it, no, I'm not comparing Dak to fucking Mahomes. I'm talking about the market place.
Now on to the FA argument and this team/that team crap. This isn't a Cousins and the idiot F.O. of the Redskins that will drag this out until they are fucked and have totally alienated Dak and his camp. They really have only the 2 first choices of pony up and sign or FT, imo. There is no other QB available out there that can come in at this moment and be an improvement or even as good for them right now so the whole letting him walk thing and who will pay is a moot point.

Rowdy · Feb 23, 2020

Dr. Strangelove said:
Well, the Jones' better get their head out of their asses soon or 35 mil is gonna look like chump change. I see a lot of people commenting on how Dak isn't a 35 mil QB and should be happy with what they offer but I think you have to look at what Goff and Wentz got last season as a starting point. Those are the comparables at this point in time.
Then there is the franchise tag that gives him about 27 mil this year iirc. Which leaves them in limbo for another season while Mahomes and Watson drive the market much higher. Now, before any of you morons say it, no, I'm not comparing Dak to fucking Mahomes. I'm talking about the market place.
Now on to the FA argument and this team/that team crap. This isn't a Cousins and the idiot F.O. of the Redskins that will drag this out until they are fucked and have totally alienated Dak and his camp. They really have only the 2 first choices of pony up and sign or FT, imo. There is no other QB available out there that can come in at this moment and be an improvement or even as good for them right now so the whole letting him walk thing and who will pay is a moot point.

If they FT it most certainly is going to be a cousins and the idiot F.O. of the cowgirls. That’s when Slack Prescott gets all the leverage. His price only goes up.

Dr. Strangelove · Feb 23, 2020

MWAB said:
If they FT it most certainly is going to be a cousins and the idiot F.O. of the cowgirls. That’s when Slack Prescott gets all the leverage. His price only goes up.

I agree that the franchise tag does far more harm than good and that is why the Jones' need to get this thing done. The "idiot F.O." comment was more in regard to doing it twice with Cousins with no apparent game plan and yes, if the Cowboys do that, they are indeed idiots. Once is moderately dumb anyway, especially when you look at what the other young QBs are getting and going to get on their second contract. Watson's agent will be pushing the Texans for 36 mil plus easy and possibly close to 40 when Mahomes breaks the bank pretty soon.

Schmoopy1000 · Feb 23, 2020

As much as I would like a home town discount.
I think All players should try to get all they can on their 2nd contract (1st non rookie contract)
Careers can end suddenly in Football. By their 3rd contract they could consider discounts & what not. Until then I dont even understand the thought of asking these players to do so.

BTW a 7 mil a year discount is absurd to ask for. a 5 year contract if a player completes his contract. That is a 35 mil discount.
that is like saying. hey play your final year on your contract for free.
I could see the coupon right now.
buy 4 years get the 5th for free LOL. (now name a single player that would play a year for free?)

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