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Joel Embiid declares himself 'best player in the world'

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I'll be watching Milwaukee like the rest of the world.


You think Philly wins a first round series atleast?
best in the east with no worries now that they've relegated horford to the bench. such a shitty signing.
 

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How many of the top 15 players do you think DON'T consider themselves the best player in the game?

This.

it is a big part of the reason they are great players. Can’t be a superstar at the highest level unless you have an unreasonable amount of self confidence. Kind of comes with the territory.
 

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List, please?

Point, please?

Why does it matter?

I have him outside of the top 15 because he doesn't put forth a consistent enough effort. If I were to do a list, I'd probably have him at about 16-18.

But I'm not really interested in getting into some list discussion. If I were, I would made the effort in the first place.

So, like Embiid, I don't put forth a consistent enough effort to be top 15 either.
 

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This.

it is a big part of the reason they are great players. Can’t be a superstar at the highest level unless you have an unreasonable amount of self confidence. Kind of comes with the territory.

Exactly. I think it would be more concerning if someone like Embiid or Davis or Lillard DIDN'T think they were the best player in the world.
 

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Exactly. I think it would be more concerning if someone like Embiid or Davis or Lillard DIDN'T think they were the best player in the world.

And how seriously that statement is taken is determined by who the player is that's making that claim.

If it's a guy like Lillard for example, folks may not agree, but it would be taken more seriously because he goes out and tries to prove it every single night.

Embiid doesn't, so he's not taken seriously.

And the worst part is, if he did go out and try to prove it every night, he'd actually have a legit shot at it being true (or at least more people agreeing with him).
 

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And how seriously that statement is taken is determined by who the player is that's making that claim.

If it's a guy like Lillard for example, folks may not agree, but it would be taken more seriously because he goes out and tries to prove it every single night.

Embiid doesn't, so he's not taken seriously.

And the worst part is, if he did go out and try to prove it every night, he'd actually have a legit shot at it being true (or at least more people agreeing with him).

There are several things about Embiid that frustrates and many other Sixer fan. And certainly his inconsistent effort levels is one of those issues.

But he's an absolutely dominant player when healthy.

I don't take any player seriously when they say something like "I'm the best player in the world". It's meaningless and just grist for the media mill.
 

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Jazz and Celtics seem to be doing okay
Stevens was a great college coach. Snyder was mediocre at best, probably and ended up being a better pro coach. I think he had one good Missouri team.
 

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In fairness I think they were booing the entire team and not so much him. When you miss 20 straight shots, fans get agitated.
Philly fans are the worst.
 

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There are several things about Embiid that frustrates and many other Sixer fan. And certainly his inconsistent effort levels is one of those issues.

But he's an absolutely dominant player when healthy.

I don't take any player seriously when they say something like "I'm the best player in the world". It's meaningless and just grist for the media mill.

I agree.

I honestly think it's impossible to truly pick a best player in the world. You can maybe pick a best player at each position, but not really a best player overall.

What's expected at each position is too different and that's without getting into what their individual team may need from them.

As far as Embiid being dominant when healthy, I never said he wasn't. I said my issue and why I don't consider him top 15 is because of his inconsistent effort.

And whether or not you take any player who makes that claim seriously, I'd bet there are players that you'd at least acknowledge that they might have an argument.
 

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I agree.

I honestly think it's impossible to truly pick a best player in the world. You can maybe pick a best player at each position, but not really a best player overall.

What's expected at each position is too different and that's without getting into what their individual team may need from them.

Pretty much agree with this.

As far as Embiid being dominant when healthy, I never said he wasn't. I said my issue and why I don't consider him top 15 is because of his inconsistent effort.

That's fine.

And whether or not you take any player who makes that claim seriously, I'd bet there are players that you'd at least acknowledge that they might have an argument.

Sure. Lebron James saying certainly has credibility.

But I don't care if Donovan Mitchell says it. Players are incredibly arrogant. All of them. They are NBA players. They should be arrogant. If believing you are the best player in the world helps motivate, that's perfectly fine. If other players want scoff at that, that's fine as well.
 

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But I don't care if Donovan Mitchell says it. Players are incredibly arrogant. All of them. They are NBA players. They should be arrogant. If believing you are the best player in the world helps motivate, that's perfectly fine. If other players want scoff at that, that's fine as well.

I mostly agree with this. However, when that players belief that he is the best in the world appears to prevent him from giving his best effort every night or from improving his game...it's a problem.

I'm not saying that's necessarily Embiid's issue, but it's a pretty easy correlation to make, imo.

Right now, Embiid reminds me a lot of Dwight Howard earlier in his career. He had the ability to be the most dominant player in the game, but thought he was already good enough and didn't see a reason to get better. It was like it came too easy to him or something. Considering Embiid's talent, maybe that's part of his issue?
 

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Point, please?

Why does it matter?

I have him outside of the top 15 because he doesn't put forth a consistent enough effort. If I were to do a list, I'd probably have him at about 16-18.

But I'm not really interested in getting into some list discussion. If I were, I would made the effort in the first place.

So, like Embiid, I don't put forth a consistent enough effort to be top 15 either.
That's silly. Your obvious point is he doesn't give enough effort for you to consider him a top 15 player. But it's doubtful you can think of 15 better players even with that opinion.

So there's two different statements here. One is "Joel Embiid is a tremendous talent but he doesn't give enough effort day in and day out". That might be true it might not, but it's hard to quantify so hard to discuss. You say so, others say no, end of discussion

Another statement would be "Joel Embiid is not a top 15 player". That statement is still an opinion, but more based in facts, because one can then list the 15+ players better and those names can be debated.

If you don't want to make a list, it's similar to not being willing to bet something. You're just throwing out a statement and not willing to back it up with any facts. And that's fine, God knows that's most of what we do here. But that's the situation with your opinion on Embiid.
 

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I mostly agree with this. However, when that players belief that he is the best in the world appears to prevent him from giving his best effort every night or from improving his game...it's a problem.

I'm not saying that's necessarily Embiid's issue, but it's a pretty easy correlation to make, imo.

Right now, Embiid reminds me a lot of Dwight Howard earlier in his career. He had the ability to be the most dominant player in the game, but thought he was already good enough and didn't see a reason to get better. It was like it came too easy to him or something. Considering Embiid's talent, maybe that's part of his issue?
I agree somewhat with the Dwight Howard analogy actually.
 

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That's silly. Your obvious point is he doesn't give enough effort for you to consider him a top 15 player. But it's doubtful you can think of 15 better players even with that opinion


Except that I already said that when I saw the statement, I was able to come up with 11 with out even trying.

So finding another 4 wouldn't be difficult.

Not sure what you're issue is. I don't consider him top 15.

I'm not making a list.

Get over it and move on with your life.
 

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He's missed more games in his career than he has played.


And he's 25.


Cmon people.
 

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Except that I already said that when I saw the statement, I was able to come up with 11 with out even trying.

So finding another 4 wouldn't be difficult.

Not sure what you're issue is. I don't consider him top 15.

I'm not making a list.

Get over it and move on with your life.
So you got nothing. An easy list of 11 players you refuse to share. Move on with my life? LOL
 

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So you got nothing. An easy list of 11 players you refuse to share. Move on with my life? LOL
It's really not that difficult to come up with guys he thinks are better than Embiid.


Pretty much anyone that plays 2/3's of a season and has been to a Conference Final.
 
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