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navamind · Jan 28, 2020

idseer said:
stupid thing to say considering mccann has a higher lifetime avg.
let's ignore the fact you missed entirely my point that yasmani is a hitter for a half season and does, more often, what mccann is accused of.

look, i admit yasmani has a bigger bat than mccann in total because he has more hr power (something the sox aren't short of anyway). however, he's a much worse fielding catcher. in 8 years yasmani has accumulated a life time 2.3 dwar. in only 6 year mccann has accumulated a 4.7. don't know about you, but i'd rather have the better fielder than the little bit extra bat for a team that doesn't need it.

Batting average is an incomplete stat. All it tells you is how often a player gets a hit, not how often they got on base or the quality of those hits (doubles, triples, home runs). Using it for evaluating hitters is stupid.

McCann's career BA is 6 points higher. And his OBP is 51 points lower than Grandal's and his slugging percentage is 59 points lower. Grandal has a career 115 OPS+ while McCann's is 83.

If McCann has another season like 2019, then yeah you might be able to make a case for him over Grandal. But that's the thing, this is the first season in McCann's career where you could even say he was above average offensively even by catcher standards. And yet, his 109 OPS+ would be the 2nd worst among Grandal's full seasons.

Jiddy · Jan 28, 2020

navamind said:
Batting average is an incomplete stat. All it tells you is how often a player gets a hit, not how often they got on base or the quality of those hits (doubles, triples, home runs). Using it for evaluating hitters is stupid.

McCann's career BA is 6 points higher. And his OBP is 51 points lower than Grandal's and his slugging percentage is 59 points lower. Grandal has a career 115 OPS+ while McCann's is 83.

If McCann has another season like 2019, then yeah you might be able to make a case for him over Grandal. But that's the thing, this is the first season in McCann's career where you could even say he was above average offensively even by catcher standards. And yet, his 109 OPS+ would be the 2nd worst among Grandal's full seasons.

This argument is tired as all hell and I blame "being right on the internet" idiocy for conjuring it.

Having a sh*t batting average more often than not does not lead to anything other than the expected conclusion about a hitter. There are exceptions...but they are in the minority.

Grandal is what he is. A B/C level free agent. If he was that great, he wouldn't have signed for 73 million here. He'd have some bonko mega-contract...for a different team....because we have McCann. It was an opportunistic "above average" signing that we could fit in to our plans to make the pile of monkey sh*t we fielded in 2019 more respectable.

Mingo · Jan 28, 2020

I think Grandal will become a big fan favorite in Chicago. He will be a deep injection well of baseball knowledge that will keep the infield focused - the pitchers confident and provide his share of the offensive fireworks. He not only fits the description of a baseball catcher, but he is the embodiment of the guy who can make his teammates better by his presence.

idseer · Jan 28, 2020

navamind said:
Batting average is an incomplete stat. All it tells you is how often a player gets a hit, not how often they got on base or the quality of those hits (doubles, triples, home runs). Using it for evaluating hitters is stupid.

McCann's career BA is 6 points higher. And his OBP is 51 points lower than Grandal's and his slugging percentage is 59 points lower. Grandal has a career 115 OPS+ while McCann's is 83.

If McCann has another season like 2019, then yeah you might be able to make a case for him over Grandal. But that's the thing, this is the first season in McCann's career where you could even say he was above average offensively even by catcher standards. And yet, his 109 OPS+ would be the 2nd worst among Grandal's full seasons.

YOU are the one who mentioned batting average! and the rest of your post completely ignores what i was saying. so, it's obviously a waste of time talking to you. bye bye.

idseer · Jan 28, 2020

Mingo said:
I think Grandal will become a big fan favorite in Chicago. He will be a deep injection well of baseball knowledge that will keep the infield focused - the pitchers confident and provide his share of the offensive fireworks. He not only fits the description of a baseball catcher, but he is the embodiment of the guy who can make his teammates better by his presence.

why do you think LA let him walk? he had 5 whole ab's during the dodgers WS in '18.
do you know who austin barnes is? he's the guy who started 4 of the 5 games. he hit less then .210 the last 2 seasons and yet the dodgers played him instead of grandal. why do you suppose that is? because grandal is such an infield focuser? by the end of that year yasmani couldn't hit shit and he never could field ... so they yanked him!

you've been sold a bill of goods on yasmani. he's no AJ and will hurt this team in the field.

Lake Shore Drive · Jan 28, 2020

Mingo said:
I think Grandal will become a big fan favorite in Chicago. He will be a deep injection well of baseball knowledge that will keep the infield focused - the pitchers confident and provide his share of the offensive fireworks. He not only fits the description of a baseball catcher, but he is the embodiment of the guy who can make his teammates better by his presence.

Well stated. I like the whole package he brings. Can't wait for ST to begin. I'm going to the game against the Reds on March 9th. That should be fun because the Reds have also had a productive offseason, so lots of new faces in both dugouts. The Sox also host the Rangers the next day as well, but unfortunately we can't stick around for that one and will be heading back home that day. But at least I'll get one game in.

idseer · Jan 28, 2020

Lake Shore Drive said:
Well stated. I like the whole package he brings. Can't wait for ST to begin. I'm going to the game against the Reds on March 9th. That should be fun because the Reds have also had a productive offseason, so lots of new faces in both dugouts. The Sox also host the Rangers the next day as well, but unfortunately we can't stick around for that one and will be heading back home that day. But at least I'll get one game in.

see? you already indicated you liked his post but you just HAD to jump in with a big nothing post. you're a piece of work lsd

Lake Shore Drive · Jan 28, 2020

idseer said:
see? you already indicated you liked his post but you just HAD to jump in with a big nothing post. you're a piece of work lsd

And you're a senile old fuck. So what's your point, besides of course being a senile old fuck.

idseer · Jan 28, 2020

Lake Shore Drive said:
And you're a senile old fuck. So what's your point, besides of course being a senile old fuck.

really? you didn't get my point? thought it was pretty clear. your posts are ubiquitous! not in a good way either. you're the poster version of selfitis (people who take an inordinate number of pics of themselves and post them), which is a documented mental disorder. in 6 years i've posted a little less than 2100 times. in ONE year you've already posted almost 2400 times! wow. you must think you've got an awful lot to say!
does that clear that up for you? do you get my point yet?

Lake Shore Drive · Jan 28, 2020

Iddy, the latest version of 23andMe allows you to choose whether you'd like to know if you carry certain genetic markers associated with late-onset Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease. ... The Alzheimer's test in particular looks for the number of APOE-e4 gene variations, called alleles, that a person has. I'm pretty sure you can find a kit for $150, maybe less, assuming you can afford that. I think it would be well worth your time and money.

GNG · Jan 28, 2020

Lake Shore Drive · Jan 28, 2020

Guns N Guitars said:

Are you not entertained?????

idseer · Jan 29, 2020

Lake Shore Drive said:
Iddy, the latest version of 23andMe allows you to choose whether you'd like to know if you carry certain genetic markers associated with late-onset Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease. ... The Alzheimer's test in particular looks for the number of APOE-e4 gene variations, called alleles, that a person has. I'm pretty sure you can find a kit for $150, maybe less, assuming you can afford that. I think it would be well worth your time and money.

if you choose the high school way of playing this that's fine. your trumpian demeanor aside, i do believe you need the help, not i. the 'old age' card yo keep insisting on playing says more about you than it does about me.

Lake Shore Drive · Jan 29, 2020

idseer said:
if you choose the high school way of playing this that's fine. your trumpian demeanor aside, i do believe you need the help, not i. the 'old age' card yo keep insisting on playing says more about you than it does about me.

Potential signs regarding the onset of Alzheimer's - people may experience:

Cognitive: mental decline, difficulty thinking and understanding, confusion in the evening hours, delusion, disorientation, forgetfulness, making things up, mental confusion, difficulty concentrating, inability to create new memories, inability to do simple math, or inability to recognize common things
Behavioral: aggression, agitation, difficulty with self care, irritability, meaningless repetition of own words, personality changes, restlessness, lack of restraint, or wandering and getting lost
Mood: anger, apathy, general discontent, loneliness, or mood swings
Psychological: depression, hallucination, or paranoia

I highlighted the signs iddy which are applicable to your current situation, with a particular emphasis on the underlined. Accordingly, I believe there is a sufficient number of these traits that at the very least warrants some testing. BTW, do you drool?

Jiddy · Jan 29, 2020

idseer · Jan 29, 2020

Lake Shore Drive said:
Potential signs regarding the onset of Alzheimer's - people may experience:

Cognitive: mental decline, difficulty thinking and understanding, confusion in the evening hours, delusion, disorientation, forgetfulness, making things up, mental confusion, difficulty concentrating, inability to create new memories, inability to do simple math, or inability to recognize common things
Behavioral: aggression, agitation, difficulty with self care, irritability, meaningless repetition of own words, personality changes, restlessness, lack of restraint, or wandering and getting lost
Mood: anger, apathy, general discontent, loneliness, or mood swings
Psychological: depression, hallucination, or paranoia

I highlighted the signs iddy which are applicable to your current situation, with a particular emphasis on the underlined. Accordingly, I believe there is a sufficient number of these traits that at the very least warrants some testing. BTW, do you drool?

gee. you know how to look things up on the internet. do you think this changes anything? you're like a child and you have been through most of this. i give you constructive criticism and you act like a hurt baby. you'll never grow that way lsd.

Lake Shore Drive · Jan 29, 2020

idseer said:
gee. you know how to look things up on the internet. do you think this changes anything? you're like a child and you have been through most of this. i give you constructive criticism and you act like a hurt baby. you'll never grow that way lsd.

Ok, then we agree that's the way it is and will be. Now all you have to do is remind me another dozen times.
Remember: meaningless repetition of own words

idseer · Jan 30, 2020

Lake Shore Drive said:
Ok, then we agree that's the way it is and will be. Now all you have to do is remind me another dozen times.
Remember: meaningless repetition of own words

as in all things ..... time will tell.

dumbass!

Jiddy · Jan 30, 2020

idseer said:
as in all things ..... time will tell.

dumbass!

richig07 · Jan 31, 2020

Jiddy said:
This argument is tired as all hell and I blame "being right on the internet" idiocy for conjuring it.

Having a sh*t batting average more often than not does not lead to anything other than the expected conclusion about a hitter. There are exceptions...but they are in the minority.

Grandal is what he is. A B/C level free agent. If he was that great, he wouldn't have signed for 73 million here. He'd have some bonko mega-contract...for a different team....because we have McCann. It was an opportunistic "above average" signing that we could fit in to our plans to make the pile of monkey sh*t we fielded in 2019 more respectable.

How is a guy with a top 50 contract in baseball a "B or C" free agent? lol. How is one of the elite catchers in baseball on both sides B or C? Stop.

It's just such a weird opinion. Like, the only thing that counts as "A" is the 300 mil+ guys? That's like the 0.00000000000000000001% of contracts in all of professional sports.

Grandal is in the top 1% of contracts in the game and probably in American sports also.

Having a sh*t batting average more often than not does not lead to anything other than the expected conclusion about a hitter. There are exceptions...but they are in the minority.

What does this even mean? Sometimes I feel like you just fail to understand the basics of baseball.

You blame "being right on the internet" for this opinion? Then why does every MLB organization agree with it and formulate their analytics based on it?

Yasmani Grandal had a .380 OBP last year. THREE-F'N-EIGHTY. Why do I care if McCann hits more singles (6 career points worth) if a guy walks at that rate? Grandal winds-up on first way, way more and it leads to more run production.

Especially when Grandal's power numbers are across the board better.

Batting average is borderline obsolete.

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