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Greedvis is trying to make himself relevant again.

The last time he was in the NFL he was getting scorched by anyone who ran at him. Revis Island was burned to a crisp.

Also, there's a reason that he's not doing anything post-NFL and Sherman is going to have 3 or 4 good job offers in the media the day after he retires.
 

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It's bad, we heard here in Seattle for years how Sherman is protected by his safeties, he never travels, etc etc etc... Sherman is a baller, period, I miss the hell outta that dude... You know you're good when you get beat once and it's like a HUGE deal... He might not be what he was 5 years ago, but what he is now is still TOP level at the position, he's a leader emotionally also for that defense... I have my Sherman jersey and I sport it even today, will always respect what that guy did for Seattle... 49rs fans get it...
 
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It's bad, we heard here in Seattle for years how Sherman is protected by his safeties, he never travels, etc etc etc... Sherman is a baller, period, I miss the hell outta that dude... You know you're good when you get beat once and it's like a HUGE deal... He might not be what he was 5 years ago, but what he is now is still TOP level at the position, he's a leader emotionally also for that defense... I have my Sherman jersey and I sport it even today, will always respect what that guy did for Seattle... 49rs fans get it...

Sherman was and is still a top corner. But there is merit to him being protected by the LOB and he did for the most part only be asked to cover 1/3 of the field. This is fact.
 

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Just guys talking. Sherman has always been a whiny bitch, so I could care less about Revis speaking the truth.

Revis was a better man to man cover CB, doesnt take anything away from Sherman, but I like how he is poking Sherman

I thought it was BS.

Revis had his time on the throne...it's over now. Be a fan. Busting on current players is so fucking lame.
 

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None. Hadn't given this any thought at all.
 

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Sherman was and is still a top corner. But there is merit to him being protected by the LOB and he did for the most part only be asked to cover 1/3 of the field. This is fact.

Merit on what level?

Because SEA had a scheme that worked with the players they had, it somehow makes Sherman less of a player? The CAR CB that WAS paid big FA money for...he's a great zone CB...Josh Norman.

The vast majority of teams in the NFL play zone DEF, with deep safety help probably more than 50% of the time. If it was the norm for NFL CBs to play man to man with no safety over the top most of the time...I can see there being a legit slight towards top CBs like Sherman that play mostly zone.

I can respect the difference in difficulty for the man to man CB, but it's so rare that I can't diminish the work of a really good zone CB.
 

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I always thought Revis was a whiny bitch and have not changed my mind
 

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Sherman was and is still a top corner. But there is merit to him being protected by the LOB and he did for the most part only be asked to cover 1/3 of the field. This is fact.

True, I won't dispute that, but it was all part of the strategy, it worked really well just having him take away that 1/3 and let Max,Earl, Kam do there thing... Max was probably the most challenged corner we had... But Sherm was a legit top corner, he could a travelled no problem but it didn't fit the strategy... 49rs are using him in a similar way, and it's working pretty well for them ...
 

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Just guys talking. Sherman has always been a whiny bitch, so I could care less about Revis speaking the truth.

Revis was a better man to man cover CB, doesnt take anything away from Sherman, but I like how he is poking Sherman

It's not like Revis is wrong here. Sherman got safety help every time Adams was on his side.
 

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Must be lonely on Revis Island these days.

Not even Gilligan will wash up there.
 

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It's not like Revis is wrong here. Sherman got safety help every time Adams was on his side.

Yeah if he was saying some bs like Sherman does...then yeah. But he was right haha
 

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Merit on what level?

Because SEA had a scheme that worked with the players they had, it somehow makes Sherman less of a player? The CAR CB that WAS paid big FA money for...he's a great zone CB...Josh Norman.

The vast majority of teams in the NFL play zone DEF, with deep safety help probably more than 50% of the time. If it was the norm for NFL CBs to play man to man with no safety over the top most of the time...I can see there being a legit slight towards top CBs like Sherman that play mostly zone.

I can respect the difference in difficulty for the man to man CB, but it's so rare that I can't diminish the work of a really good zone CB.

Again I'm not taking anything away from Sherman. The merit I spoke of was referring to those comments that he played in a system that allowed him to succeed. He was part of the system so it has merit. Could he in his day handle any receiver one on one across the field? we'll never know because he wasn't asked to do it very often.

My personal thought is he'd still be a very effective one on one coverage guy. Certainly in the top 5-10.
 

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Again I'm not taking anything away from Sherman. The merit I spoke of was referring to those comments that he played in a system that allowed him to succeed. He was part of the system so it has merit. Could he in his day handle any receiver one on one across the field? we'll never know because he wasn't asked to do it very often.

My personal thought is he'd still be a very effective one on one coverage guy. Certainly in the top 5-10.

It's true, Sherman played in a system that allowed him to flourish, as did Revis, or any star player at this level. I've yet to see a player that was a star playing in a system that didn't suit what they did. Jerry Rice was not a blazer, but he ran excellent short routes and it was perfect for the WC offense.

I think we look at known man to man CBs like Deion, and Revis as true shut down CBs, but most teams play zone most of the time. They have a unique skillset, but I don't really value them much more than a very good CB that flourishes in zone...if most teams played man to man most of the time, I can see the value a lot more.
 

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It's true, Sherman played in a system that allowed him to flourish, as did Revis, or any star player at this level. I've yet to see a player that was a star playing in a system that didn't suit what they did. Jerry Rice was not a blazer, but he ran excellent short routes and it was perfect for the WC offense.

I think we look at known man to man CBs like Deion, and Revis as true shut down CBs, but most teams play zone most of the time. They have a unique skillset, but I don't really value them much more than a very good CB that flourishes in zone...if most teams played man to man most of the time, I can see the value a lot more.

Totally agree about players fitting a system. That's why I laugh when someone calls a player a system QB. Any organization that doesn't select a QB that fits their system are morons IMO.

The corner position has changed over the past few years certainly with all the zone coverages now. It's becoming more and more difficult to find a true shut down corner. Like a franchise QB a true shut down corner can totally change how a team schemes.
 

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Totally agree about players fitting a system. That's why I laugh when someone calls a player a system QB. Any organization that doesn't select a QB that fits their system are morons IMO.

The corner position has changed over the past few years certainly with all the zone coverages now. It's becoming more and more difficult to find a true shut down corner. Like a franchise QB a true shut down corner can totally change how a team schemes.

I think shut down CB is more thing of the past really. If we take the best CBs today...say Gilmore in NE...his catch % is about the same as Steven Nelson...CB2 for PIT...6 INTs separates him, but QBs in general are having the same degree of success vs him as Nelson who is noted more as a solid CB.

I remember the Cardinals playing ATL a few yrs ago when Patrick Peterson was the top CB...they played him man up some S help, sometimes not, Julio went for 200+ on him.

The rules have mostly eliminated true shutdown CBs. If the QB is avg, yes, they can limit your top WR so there is value is having good CBs. What makes today's top CBs look better imo is there are so many avg. QBs in the league.
 

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The fact of the matter is this.

Revis has no business telling Sherman how to play. The only thing Sherman "needs to do" is play within the scheme of the defense in such a way as to give his team the best chance to win.

And Sherman has done exactly that.
 
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