State of the Seahawks 2020 offseason

Anointed One · Jan 15, 2020

A Wise man once said ~

Wolverine830872 · Jan 15, 2020

We were in the base 4-3 way too much. I assume that is because of lack of personnel or just a defensive philosophy but either way it needs to change.

I would absolutely love to see us draft a S/LB that falls in the draft because he is a "tweener". Would be a great option to get out of the 4-3 and into a nickel.

As far as the DL is concerned, I think we have damn near everyone needing a new contract. Hopefully that situation resolves itself without causing havoc because we obviously need more pass rush.

Screamin12th · Jan 15, 2020

Wolverine830872 said:
We were in the base 4-3 way too much. I assume that is because of lack of personnel or just a defensive philosophy but either way it needs to change.

I would absolutely love to see us draft a S/LB that falls in the draft because he is a "tweener". Would be a great option to get out of the 4-3 and into a nickel.

As far as the DL is concerned, I think we have damn near everyone needing a new contract. Hopefully that situation resolves itself without causing havoc because we obviously need more pass rush.

Yes i 100% agree, they need someone like Kam and it will help not only the speed in the box on running plays but The defense as a whole. The way they or at least how it's been since Pete got here is having that Strong safety be the 8th defender in the box or they remove a LB drop the big SS into the box and they run a nickle, this messes up the passing lanes and makes any throw underneath or in the middle MUCH harder to complete. Those are the Quick passes allowing QB's to get out of trouble before it arises. I stumbled across a kid that might be there in the mid to late rounds if not a UDFA. I posted a link to a video of him earlier in this thread, about the middle of page one.

Screamin12th said:
how about this guy for a sleeper pick at Strong Safety? 6 foot 2, 220+ running a 4.45 40.

MrS · Jan 18, 2020

Pretty good article on FA class:
The 50 best available NFL free agents in 2020 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

They have Reid at 49, call him a rotational guy that "may see him slip through the cracks of free agency until the later waves when the big names have been cleaned up." If PFF is right, sounds like a one year prove it deal isnt out of the question.

Other guys on the list that are potential signings:

pass rush options:
Robert Quinn 11.5 sacks in 2019, 29 years old
Kyle Van Noy 6.5 sacks, 28 years old
Yannick Ngakoue 8 sacks, 25 years old

Any of these guys would likely do pretty well opposite clowney

Sharkonabicycle · Jan 19, 2020

Wolverine830872 said:
We were in the base 4-3 way too much. I assume that is because of lack of personnel or just a defensive philosophy but either way it needs to change.

I would absolutely love to see us draft a S/LB that falls in the draft because he is a "tweener". Would be a great option to get out of the 4-3 and into a nickel.

As far as the DL is concerned, I think we have damn near everyone needing a new contract. Hopefully that situation resolves itself without causing havoc because we obviously need more pass rush.

I think that's because we were SO terrible against the run. Seattle's been atrocious against the run for the last couple years allowing a bottom 5 yards per carry both... I think the thought is keep 3 linebackers in to help, but either way our DTs and DEs just can't keep up. Clowney is great, but the rest of the DLINE sucks ass at the moment and Reed just wasted MILLIONS with his performance this year.

Team needs to draft/spend money on the DL ASAP. Sadly Clowny is going to command 16M+, because when he was on the field he was dominant and the only reason Seattle's D did fuck all. Wagner is IMO not carrying this defense anymore... amazing player and IMO HOF worthy, but too many hits. Age is catching up with him. Love #54 though.

Wolverine830872 · Jan 19, 2020

Sharkonabicycle said:
I think that's because we were SO terrible against the run. Seattle's been atrocious against the run for the last couple years allowing a bottom 5 yards per carry both... I think the thought is keep 3 linebackers in to help, but either way our DTs and DEs just can't keep up. Clowney is great, but the rest of the DLINE sucks ass at the moment and Reed just wasted MILLIONS with his performance this year.

Team needs to draft/spend money on the DL ASAP. Sadly Clowny is going to command 16M+, because when he was on the field he was dominant and the only reason Seattle's D did fuck all. Wagner is IMO not carrying this defense anymore... amazing player and IMO HOF worthy, but too many hits. Age is catching up with him. Love #54 though.

Wagner led the league in tackles, and added 3 sacks, a pick, a ff, and a fr and is only 29. He'll be fine for at least 2 more seasons

Sharkonabicycle · Jan 19, 2020

Wolverine830872 said:
Wagner led the league in tackles, and added 3 sacks, a pick, a ff, and a fr and is only 29. He'll be fine for at least 2 more seasons

Yah I know.. I just don't think he can keep it together much anymore. There was times in coverage and assessment/speed on tackles where it's clear he has lost a step. Still a stud player, I love B Wags, but not the same guy from a couple years back. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting him to be, but the D needs support/work to supplement him.

Wolverine830872 · Jan 19, 2020

Sharkonabicycle said:
Yah I know.. I just don't think he can keep it together much anymore. There was times in coverage and assessment/speed on tackles where it's clear he has lost a step. Still a stud player, I love B Wags, but not the same guy from a couple years back. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting him to be, but the D needs support/work to supplement him.

yeah we definitely need to find the next generation of defensive studs to supplement

flyerhawk · Jan 19, 2020

MrSnuggles2k2 said:
Pretty good article on FA class:
The 50 best available NFL free agents in 2020 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

They have Reid at 49, call him a rotational guy that "may see him slip through the cracks of free agency until the later waves when the big names have been cleaned up." If PFF is right, sounds like a one year prove it deal isnt out of the question.

Other guys on the list that are potential signings:

pass rush options:
Robert Quinn 11.5 sacks in 2019, 29 years old
Kyle Van Noy 6.5 sacks, 28 years old
Yannick Ngakoue 8 sacks, 25 years old

Any of these guys would likely do pretty well opposite clowney

ESPN had Reed at No. 10.

Not sure he's the 10th best FA but he's definitely not the 49th best FA either.

We really need to open up the check book for Clowney and then try to find a diamond in the rough somewhere.

MrS · Jan 19, 2020

If we can sign clowney, tag and trade reid? be a shame to let him walk and get nothing in return. you might get a 3rd or a 2nd if we are lucky in a trade.

Screamin12th · Jan 20, 2020

Sharkonabicycle said:
Yah I know.. I just don't think he can keep it together much anymore. There was times in coverage and assessment/speed on tackles where it's clear he has lost a step. Still a stud player, I love B Wags, but not the same guy from a couple years back. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting him to be, but the D needs support/work to supplement him.

I think Bobby is fine. His issue was always fighting off blocks. The front 4 would not hold up on running plays, they would not set the edge more often than not and they let to many Olineman get to the second level. This in turn slows everyone down because of men blocking them or fighting through traffic. Do i think the defense is slow? yes on the back end they are but Bobby still has it it's just he has to fight through a lot of trash and blocks that he didn't have to before.

boogiewithstu2007 · Jan 20, 2020

http://youtu.be/xF6OLtz280Y

We need more of this

Screamin12th · Jan 21, 2020

boogiewithstu2007 said:
http://youtu.be/xF6OLtz280Y

We need more of this

Sad the game has changed so much that many of those hits that didn't draw flags, would draw them now. In a way the NFL has become "Flag!" football.

boogiewithstu2007 · Jan 21, 2020

Screamin12th said:
Sad the game has changed so much that many of those hits that didn't draw flags, would draw them now. In a way the NFL has become "Flag!" football.

Truth...

blstoker · Jan 24, 2020

Right Now, the roster looks like this going into next season:

QB - Russell Wilson, _____________
HB - Chris Carson, Rashaad Penny, Travis Homer
FB - Nick Bellore, Adam Choice
WR - Tyler Lockett, John Ursua, Penny Hart
WR- D. K. Metcalf, Cody Thompson
TE - Will Dissley, Ed Dickson, Justin Johnson
LT - Duane Brown, ___________
LG- Phil Haynes, ___________
C - Justin Britt, Ethan Pocic,
RG - D. J. Fluker, Demetrius Knox
RT - Jamarco Jones, ____________

DE - Rasheem Green, _____________
DT - Naz Jones, Demarcus Christmas
DT - Poona Ford, Bryan Mone
DE - L. J. Collier, Shakir Soto
OLB - K. J. Wright, Sutton Smith, Pita Taumoepenu
MLB - Bobby Wagner, Ben Burr-Kirven
OLB - Cody Barton, Shaquem Griffin
CB - Shaquill Griffin, __________
CB - Tre Flowers, Brian Allen
NB - Ugo Amadi, ___________
FS - Quandre Diggs, Tedric Thompson
SS - Bradley McDougald, Marquise Blair, Delano Hill

K - Jason Myers
P- Michael Dickson
LS - Tyler Ott

HaroldSeattle · Jan 24, 2020

blstoker said:
Right Now, the roster looks like this going into next season:

QB - Russell Wilson, _____________
HB - Chris Carson, Rashaad Penny, Travis Homer
FB - Nick Bellore, Adam Choice
WR - Tyler Lockett, John Ursua, Penny Hart
WR- D. K. Metcalf, Cody Thompson
TE - Will Dissley, Ed Dickson, Justin Johnson
LT - Duane Brown, ___________
LG- Phil Haynes, ___________
C - Justin Britt, Ethan Pocic,
RG - D. J. Fluker, Demetrius Knox
RT - Jamarco Jones, ____________

DE - Rasheem Green, _____________
DT - Naz Jones, Demarcus Christmas
DT - Poona Ford, Bryan Mone
DE - L. J. Collier, Shakir Soto
OLB - K. J. Wright, Sutton Smith, Pita Taumoepenu
MLB - Bobby Wagner, Ben Burr-Kirven
OLB - Cody Barton, Shaquem Griffin
CB - Shaquill Griffin, __________
CB - Tre Flowers, Brian Allen
NB - Ugo Amadi, ___________
FS - Quandre Diggs, Tedric Thompson
SS - Bradley McDougald, Marquise Blair, Delano Hill

K - Jason Myers
P- Michael Dickson
LS - Tyler Ott

That cap space starting to look skimpy.

blstoker · Jan 24, 2020

Though the cap space would seem large, there are a lot of holes that need to be filled - either by bringing back free agents, signing free agents or drafting them. That money isn't going to stretch that far.

By my count the positions that are up for grabs or just need a starter quality player to fill them:

3rd WR
LG
RT
2 DE
2 DT

As well as depth at:

QB
WR
TE
OL
DL
LB
CB

blstoker · Jan 24, 2020

HaroldSeattle said:
That cap space starting to look skimpy.

That was kind've what I was trying to show everyone. Reading the Kareem Hunt thread, and contemplated putting this there, it becomes evident that spending 5 million on a position that seems to be as close to settled as any on the roster would be a little wasteful with the current needs the team has (especially if 15% is going to Clowney).

MrS · Jan 25, 2020

completely forgot about naz jones, he showed some potential it would be nice if he made something out of himself this coming year.

as far as cap goes, I still feel we can sign clowney and go after one other FA. we can also cut a few guys to make more room:
justin britt 8.5m
kj wright 7.5m
ed dickson 3m - not sure how he is even on the team still he has been nothing but injured.

blstoker · Mar 23, 2020

Update for first week(ish) of free agency:

QB - Russell Wilson, _____________
HB - Chris Carson, Rashaad Penny, Travis Homer, Adam Choice
FB - Nick Bellore, Adam Choice
WR - Tyler Lockett, John Ursua, Penny Hart
WR- D. K. Metcalf, Malik Turner, Cody Thompson,
TE - Will Dissly, Greg Olson, Jacob Hollister, Luke Wilson, Ed Dickson, Tyrone Swoopes, Justin Johnson
LT - Duane Brown, Cedric Ogbuehi
LG- Chance Warmack, Phil Haynes, Ethan Pocic, Kyle Fuller
C - Justin Britt, B.J. Finney,
RG - D. J. Fluker, Demetrius Knox
RT - Jamarco Jones, Chad Wheeler

DE - Rasheem Green, _____________
DT - Naz Jones, Demarcus Christmas
DT - Poona Ford, Bryan Mone
DE - L. J. Collier, Shakir Soto
OLB - K. J. Wright, Sutton Smith, Pita Taumoepenu
MLB - Bobby Wagner, Ben Burr-Kirven
OLB - Cody Barton, Shaquem Griffin
CB - Shaquill Griffin,Brian Allen
CB - Quinton Dunbar, Tre Flowers
NB - Ugo Amadi, ___________
FS - Quandre Diggs, Tedric Thompson
SS - Bradley McDougald, Marquise Blair, Delano Hill

K - Jason Myers
P- Michael Dickson
LS - Tyler Ott

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