Paton to Browns?

dtgold88 · Jan 20, 2020

Wamu said:
Hopefully OBJ participates in all upcoming off season activites. Unlike last year when he was absent for everything.

Seems like Freddie and FO was afraid to confront him

Wamu · Jan 20, 2020

FaCe-LeE-uS said:
That's a good call. Haslem's track record isn't good. Why not try something different?

Speaking of Haslam can the league force him to sell his team?

Wamu · Jan 20, 2020

dtgold88 said:
Seems like Freddie and FO was afraid to confront him

As usual something wasn't right with the team. Maybe that changes next season.

Shanemansj13 · Jan 20, 2020

megalodon30 said:
Good luck with that. Woods was crap in Denver as the DC. Hopefully Stefanski isn't as clueless as Joseph was otherwise Woods will ruin that D.

Yeah not much experience as DC, mainly DB's coach, so we will see.

Stakesarehigh · Jan 20, 2020

dtgold88 said:
Seems like Freddie and FO was afraid to confront him

Like I've said before the fact they didn't make OBJ work himself in totally stalled out any growth he could've otherwise had with Mayfield

shopson67 · Jan 20, 2020

Stakesarehigh said:
I don't think wilks liked him. He probably isn't the greatest fit for a 4 2 5

I don't see any good reason to not like a tackling machine. If he's not a good fit for a defense, that defensive change may be ill-advised. All a 4-2-5 really does is replace an OLB with a safety.

FaCe-LeE-uS · Jan 20, 2020

Wamu said:
Hopefully OBJ participates in all upcoming off season activites. Unlike last year when he was absent for everything.

I'm still of the belief that OBJ is destined to muscle his way out of Cleveland. But I don't want to get into that again. It's a touchy subject with some.

FaCe-LeE-uS · Jan 20, 2020

Wamu said:
Speaking of Haslam can the league force him to sell his team?

Maybe he'll relocate the team to Baltimore.

shopson67 · Jan 20, 2020

FaCe-LeE-uS said:
Maybe he'll relocate the team to Baltimore.

St. Louis?

FaCe-LeE-uS · Jan 20, 2020

shopson67 said:
St. Louis?

Would probably have better reception.

Stakesarehigh · Jan 20, 2020

shopson67 said:
I don't see any good reason to not like a tackling machine. If he's not a good fit for a defense, that defensive change may be ill-advised. All a 4-2-5 really does is replace an OLB with a safety.

Considering the Browns had significant injuries all year long in the back 7 the change definitely became problematic

shopson67 · Jan 20, 2020

Stakesarehigh said:
Considering the Browns had significant injuries all year long in the back 7 the change definitely became problematic

...and they're changing DCs, right?

Battlelyon · Jan 20, 2020

Does it really matter? Can't fire a crook owner

Stakesarehigh · Jan 20, 2020

shopson67 said:
...and they're changing DCs, right?

Well yea and I don't think that's a bad thing. His scheme is extremely suspect versus the run regardless. While I do think it's somewhat effective against Baltimore because it helps deal with Lamar I just think it's too one dimensional.

Wamu · Jan 20, 2020

FaCe-LeE-uS said:
I'm still of the belief that OBJ is destined to muscle his way out of Cleveland. But I don't want to get into that again. It's a touchy subject with some.

Nothing OBJ has done or will do can surprise me.

pitman · Jan 20, 2020

dtgold88 said:
This applies to you....."This is far from a done deal but it goes to show the respect that Stefanski has in the league.. There are a great number of “reporters” out there that only report on the negative or even twist the positive to the negative. This sorry state of BS is because a large percentage of people, “fans”, in general just want to piss and moan and don’t bother to take 5 seconds to google the subject themselves. Stefanski was a good hire.. Paton is one of, if not the most, sought after GM candidates in the nfl. Has been for years.. He has turned down requests for interviews from other teams more than he’s accepted.. turned down the Browns twice prior.. The reason it might be possible for Cleveland to finally pry him from Minn.?? Stefanski and the respect and belief Paton has in him.."

It’s not that it’s not a great hire, it the fact of will they give him time to turn things around. I for one would like to see them compete again

Shanemansj13 · Jan 20, 2020

Stakesarehigh said:
Well yea and I don't think that's a bad thing. His scheme is extremely suspect versus the run regardless. While I do think it's somewhat effective against Baltimore because it helps deal with Lamar I just think it's too one dimensional.

Too inconsistent

Shanemansj13 · Jan 20, 2020

Wamu said:
Nothing OBJ has done or will do can surprise me.

Across The Field · Jan 20, 2020

megalodon30 said:
Good luck with that. Woods was crap in Denver as the DC. Hopefully Stefanski isn't as clueless as Joseph was otherwise Woods will ruin that D.

Actually it was a mixed bag. Two seasons - 2017, the defense was dominant. 3rd in total defense, and the guy clearly knows how to coach up DBs (all four starting DBs in Denver went to at least one Pro Bowl in his two seasons as DB coach, and obviously San Fran had a monster pass D this year). 2018 wasn't great, but they were still in the top half of the league in scoring defense. He also wasn't helped out much by an offense that was bottom 6 in the NFL in time of possession in 2018. He's a step up for Cleveland, I would think. He'll have plenty of talent to work with.

dtgold88 · Jan 20, 2020

pitman said:
It’s not that it’s not a great hire, it the fact of will they give him time to turn things around. I for one would like to see them compete again

I think this is a misconception. want to say he has not hired the right people? Seems to be mostly true. when he thought he had the right guy in Dorsey, though, he let him do his thing and spent the money.

Problem, to me, would have been keeping Dorsey and Freddie just for the sake of continuity.

Guy I think might have gotten a raw deal was Pettine as he was 7-6 until Johnny Dumbass was forced on him.

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