Is this 2019 LSU Team the best ever/sorry 1995 Nebraska but I think so

ThereIsNoPlace said:

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Guy just won a national title. You think he cares if people see him eat his boogers? haha

Terry Rode said:

Guy just won a national title. You think he cares if people see him eat his boogers? haha

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He's not on here, so I don't care if he cares....that message was for the Cornbooger fans.

Chop it up by quarter Centuries, now since we are only in 2020, not 2025, just for this exercise I'll start in 1896. It might look something like this?

Michigan 1901 best of the first quarter century,
Minnesota 1934 best of the 2nd quarter century, UMn 1940 honorable mention(4 wins over Top 10s),
Army 1946 best of the 3rd quarter century,
Nebraska 1995 best of the 4th quarter century,
LSU 2019 best of the 5th quarter century.

fredsdeadfriend said:

Chop it up by quarter Centuries, now since we are only in 2020, not 2025, just for this exercise I'll start in 1896. It might look something like this?

Michigan 1901 best of the first quarter century,
Minnesota 1934 best of the 2nd quarter century, UMn 1940 honorable mention(4 wins over Top 10s),
Army 1946 best of the 3rd quarter century,
Nebraska 1995 best of the 4th quarter century,
LSU 2019 best of the 5th quarter century.

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The 3rd quarter century would be 1950-1975, so this doesn't make sense.

Also, 1934 Minnesota? Come on man.

I say just vote for Nebraska, because with today’s CFB and the way recruiting is now — they won’t sniff another national title.

Think of it as another parting gift, like the retirement gift for Osborne in 1997.

Across The Field said:

The 3rd quarter century would be 1950-1975, so this doesn't make sense.

Also, 1934 Minnesota? Come on man.

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Reading comprehension my friend. The keep it an even 125 years, I started in 1896.

And I'm not declaring my little list as authoritative, it was just an idea, a possible solution. Everyone keeps talking different eras can't be compared, so I'm saying, don't compare them, acknowledge the best team from each era, so basically a 5 way time for 1st. You could start at the beginning of cfb history, as this is the 150th year, so I suppose the best Yale team from back in the day could be a 6th team?

And yes, 1934 Minnesota. 8-0, outscored their opponents 270-38, including 34-0 pummelings of both Michigan and Wisconsin, a 48-12 beat down of Iowa, and they scored 14 unanswered points to come back against the Eastern Champion Pitt team, in front of 65,000 Pitt fans in their home stadium, a Pitt team that blew out Notre Dame, among others.

And remember, All-America teams and All-Conf teams were only made up of 11 players for the most part. Yet UMn got 4 players named 1st team All-America, and SIX players named 1st team All-Big Ten.

fredsdeadfriend said:

Reading comprehension my friend. The keep it an even 125 years, I started in 1896.

And I'm not declaring my little list as authoritative, it was just an idea, a possible solution. Everyone keeps talking different eras can't be compared, so I'm saying, don't compare them, acknowledge the best team from each era, so basically a 5 way time for 1st. You could start at the beginning of cfb history, as this is the 150th year, so I suppose the best Yale team from back in the day could be a 6th team?

And yes, 1934 Minnesota. 8-0, outscored their opponents 270-38, including 34-0 pummelings of both Michigan and Wisconsin, a 48-12 beat down of Iowa, and they scored 14 unanswered points to come back against the Eastern Champion Pitt team, in front of 65,000 Pitt fans in their home stadium, a Pitt team that blew out Notre Dame, among others.

And remember, All-America teams and All-Conf teams were only made up of 11 players for the most part. Yet UMn got 4 players named 1st team All-America, and SIX players named 1st team All-Big Ten.

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Alright then

Terry Rode said:

Was the competition Nebraska played in 95 as good as the competition LSU played this year? 7 ranked teams including the last 2 national champions. Those stats are great, but it's different eras of football. You can't really compare the two using average statistics, especially when the competition isn't the same. It's like arguing who the best player in the NBA is and saying MJ is better than LeBron or vice versa. Can't properly compare the two because it's different eras of play, with different styles and different plays.

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Again, different times. If Nebraska had a conference championship and a playoff... odds are they would have been 15-0 as well. Being as how the next best in the conference was Colorado, that would be another top 10 win. Nebraska already beat numbers 2, 7, 8, and 10... you could add Tennessee and Florida St as well. Given that Florida trounced them and Nebraska trouced Florida, it would be fair to say that Nebraska still would have finished 15-0 in that scenario.

Prior to the playoff, LSU would have beaten 2 teams that finished in the top ten (georgia and florida), it is absolutely fair to add another for the national title game, totalling 3 teams that finished in the top ten (throw clemson in there).

This nonsense about 7 top tens is ridiculous. Texas may have been top ten at the time... but that is because of bogus preseason rankings. They lost 5 games, finished unranked and still hung in there with LSU. Auburn lost 4 and still hung in there with LSU. Bama lost 2 in the regular season and still hung in there with LSU.

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Fun Fact #3: I'm feeling generous. 95 Nebraska averaged 400 yards rushing per game, including over 520 yards rushing against #2 Florida in the National Championship. 2019 LSU gave up 400 yards rushing to a 4-7 Ole Miss team.


Fun Fact #4: See Below...

2019 LSU
48.4 PPG
21.8 PPG allowed
Avg MOV = 26.6 points.

1995 Nebraska
53.2 PPG
14.5 PPG allowed
Avg MOV = 38.7 - despite Nebraska resting its starters in the second halves of most games.



Fun Fact #5: 1995 Nebraska had the #2 total offense and the #13 total defense. #4 scoring defense

2019 LSU had #1 total offense and the #31 total defense. #32 scoring defense.

Both teams were #1 in scoring offense.

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Keep in mind that again... playing 4 teams that finished in the top ten, 95 Nebraska didn't even need to put an offense on the field in the 4th quarter and still would have won EVERY GAME. Nebraska won 11 of their 12 games by HALFTIME. Gimme a break with this nonsense.

Again, I am not denying that LSU did not have an incredible season. They absolutely did. Good for them, I am not trying to lambast them at all. But holding for the differing factors, 95 Nebraska still holds up better.

Slice and dice statistics all you want, if the 1995 Nebraska team were teleported to now, LSU would beat them.

Now a big factor in that is because the game has changed, but they beat all the modern teams they played too.

never in all my days of watching college football have i seen a team march right on thru a season like this year, including the 95' huskers…period.


cept for the 66' OJ GIANT KILLERZ, but i'm biased on this one.

Nat Mann said:

Slice and dice statistics all you want, if the 1995 Nebraska team were teleported to now, LSU would beat them.

Now a big factor in that is because the game has changed, but they beat all the modern teams they played too.

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If a 4-8 Ole Miss team could rush for over 400 yards on that LSU defense... I don't think 95 Nebraska would have a problem.



'95 Nebraska - #2 offense, #13 defense, #4 scoring defense.
'19 LSU - #1 offense, #31 defense, #32 scoring defense.

That ain't slicing and dicing stats, those sir... are fucking facts.


Again...

2019 LSU
48.4 PPG
21.8 PPG allowed
Avg MOV = 26.6 points.

1995 Nebraska
53.2 PPG
14.5 PPG allowed
Avg MOV = 38.7 - despite Nebraska resting its starters in the second halves of most games.


Nebraska didn't even need to play offense in ANY 4th quarter all season outside of just giving the defense a break. You remove ALL 4th quarter points, Nebraska still wins every game. Can you say that with LSU? No, you simply can't. Fact is that their defense is a straight liability. Hence 4 and 5 loss teams taking them deep into the 4th quarters.

Blackshirts BLVD said:

If a 4-8 Ole Miss team could rush for over 400 yards on that LSU defense... I don't think 95 Nebraska would have a problem.

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This is what I mean by slicing and dicing statistics. You've chosen LSU's worst game against the rush and are holding it up as typical. In the Ole Miss game, the OM quarterback, John Rhys Plumlee, ran for 212 yards. He's phenomenally fast with a 4.3 40. He's also a freshman, so LSU had never seen him before.

Let's do a more realistic evaluation of the LSU rushing defense. For the whole year, they averaged 120 rushing yards given up per game. That's 21st in the country, which is so-so. However, if you remove the Ole Miss outlier and take an average of the other 14 games, they averaged 100.7 yards a game, which would make them the 8th best rushing defense in the country.

Blackshirts BLVD said:

Fact is that their defense is a straight liability.

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That "straight liability" defense held Clemson scoreless for the last 25:49 of the second half.
LSU is not a perfect team or even a perfectly balanced team. But their offense is so good that they could beat anybody, especially a team playing football as it was played a quarter century ago.
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If playing more games doesn't matter.
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If playing better opponents doesn't matter.

Then the obvious answer to this question is 1956 Oklahoma.

Undefeated Season
6 Shut Outs
10-1 scoring differential
The Seniors on that team never lost a football game.
31-0-0 on their way to 47 Straight.
Back to Back National Champions
3 Conference Championships on their way to a record 14 in a Row.



Get back to me on all of that.

Nat Mann said:

This is what I mean by slicing and dicing statistics. You've chosen LSU's worst game against the rush and are holding it up as typical. In the Ole Miss game, the OM quarterback, John Rhys Plumlee, ran for 212 yards. He's phenomenally fast with a 4.3 40. He's also a freshman, so LSU had never seen him before.

Let's do a more realistic evaluation of the LSU rushing defense. For the whole year, they averaged 120 rushing yards given up per game. That's 21st in the country, which is so-so. However, if you remove the Ole Miss outlier and take an average of the other 14 games, they averaged 100.7 yards a game, which would make them the 8th best rushing defense in the country.


That "straight liability" defense held Clemson scoreless for the last 25:49 of the second half.
LSU is not a perfect team or even a perfectly balanced team. But their offense is so good that they could beat anybody, especially a team playing football as it was played a quarter century ago.

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My Ole Miss comment is not a stat, therefore it is also not being sliced and diced. It is an observation. But I like how you completely ignore every actual statistic I posted because they fly in the face of this nonsense.

Realistic? LOL, but ok, I'll bite. LSU averaged 100.7 yards per game without Ole Miss.... that's cute.
Fun Fact #6: 1995 Florida averaged allowing 93 yards rushing per game, placing them with the 5th best rush defense at the close of their 11th game... then Nebraska hit them.

They could beat anybody... dude multiple teams took them into the 4th quarter, 3 teams took them down til the final seconds. Nebraska didn't even need to put an offense on the field in ANY 4th quarter. Again, I am not saying that LSU was not a great team, but you act as if they blew everyone out of the water.... they didn't, 95 Nebraska did.


Want some more actual stats?

Fun Fact #7: LSU had 35 sacks allowed - putting them at 86th in the nation in that statistical category. Nebraska allowed 0 sacks. That is not a typo, the answer is ZERO.

Given how you said this "That "straight liability" defense held Clemson scoreless for the last 25:49 of the second half." - You must think really highly of Clemson. Clemson had the 5th best offense in the country coming out of the weakest conference in the P5 (get over it Clemson fans, you know its true). Florida had the 4th best offense in 1995 in the 3rd best conference (1st -B1G, 2nd - Big 8, 3rd - SEC) with 3 other SEC teams being ranked. 2019 Clemson is the ONLY team in the ACC that finished ranked.

Lets look at how many shutout quarters 19LSU and 95Nebraska had and to keep it fair, we will only look at the teams that finished in the top 10 for both teams.

2019 LSU
Florida - 4th quarter
Bama - 3rd quarter
UGA - 1st and 3rd quarter
Clemson - 4th quarter

5 shutout quarters out of 5 top ten teams (OU finished in the top ten, but was not shutout in any quarter).

1995 Nebraska
Kansas St - 2nd and 3rd quarters
Colorado - 4th quarter
Kansas - 1st, 3rd, and 4th quarters
Florida - 2nd quarter

7 shutout quarters out of 4 top ten teams.


LSU loses every real statistic, hence why so many are talking about the 7 top ten teams they beat.... oh yeah, those 4 and 5 loss top ten teams. No, its bullshit, its just the benefit of nonsensical preseason rankings. Hence why (where they finish) matters.... you know, once more than 1 or 2 games are played.


Everything lines up against LSU in comparison... so I would like you to answer me one question, where in any of the stats I posted am I wrong or lying? Otherwise if you or anyone else can admit that these are all accurate and still deny these facts, then you're either trolling or simply willfully wrong.

"the 95' braska team is all we got left…" @fredsdeadfriend

mrwallace2ku said:

"the 95' braska team is all we got left…" @fredsdeadfriend



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True lol... but I'm not wrong.

Meh, it's a valid argument. They were a very talented team.

@outofyourmind it is now settled.