Joker (2019)

The Derski said:

Just saw it last night. One of the weirdest movies I’ve seen. Wouldn’t watch it again but if a sequel comes out I’d go see it. Joaquin Phoenix is so fucking weird half the time I don’t think he was even acting.

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Cave_Johnson said:

Yeah I didn't pick up on any specific incel themes to this movie. Didn't even think about it until I saw the reviews afterwards where people were shitting their pants about how it promoted white male incel gun violence or whatever the fuck.

The dude gets shit on and taken advantage of the entire movie and constantly gets ridiculed and beat up. Then the whole thing with his mom and her origin story and lack of meds sort of pushes that over the top. That's the tipping point. I didn't even consider that the stuff with the girl as part of his plunge to true insanity. If anything it mostly just served to highlight the unreliable narrator aspect. If this was truly an incel movie wouldn't he have killed the girl and the daughter? I know we don't know for sure he didn't, but why would he have?

Spoiler: Spoiler

He doesn't kill the midget because he didn't think he ever did him wrong. So why kill the girl?

I don't know man. The whole thing with the chick just seemed like any other movie where there's this girl the main character wants to bang and day dreams about.

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mrwallace2ku said:

liked the Joker movie, very good…The Irishman was EPIC tho!



"…and the Oscar goes too…"

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calsnowskier said:

Just saw it this AM. Slow as fuck. Tried watching it last night, but I fell asleep. Not a good sign. Watched in full today and enjoyed it. I didn’t LOVE it, but I enjoyed it.

I have a theory, though...

Arthur isn’t the Joker. He isn’t at Arkham. He doesn’t live in Gotham. The entire movie was his schizophrenic hallucination as he kills his doctor. He is in the “real” world, but he fancies himself the Joker, his favorite comic book character. This whole movie is art depicting life imitating art.

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RobBase said:

Rented it yesterday. Little #resisty for my tastes but a good movie. Big thing for me was I thought it could have been a film that stood on its own. I didn’t get a Joker/Batman/Gotham vibe from it. Like, they made a movie about a clown and just decided to name it Joker.

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Sparhawk said:

If they follow this up with a movie based on the graphic novel, The Killing Joke, it would make sense.

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RobBase said:

How is the ending explained where Bruce’s parents are killed - but not by Joker? That threw me off.

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Sparhawk said:

Well, yeah, the Joker didn't literally kill his parents.

But, could one make the argument that the 'revolution' the Joker was leading and his actions all led up to putting the Wayne family in that precarious situation at that specific moment? And the dude that shot them was wearing a clown mask, so it makes some sense that Bruce Wayne has a hatred for clowns now and sets up his never ending battle with the Joker.

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RobBase said:

Sure. So similar to an alternate universe wrinkle.

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There is A Moose at 3rd said:

There was a great deal to like about this movie, but quite frankly there's a lot of indefensible elements in this movie. It'll be divisive, but it's ultimately going to remain popular because of when it came out in American (and global!) history moreso than it was a great movie, imo. It's a highly political piece, even if the Joker isn't per se.

The idea this is an incel based storyline, is to me, quite frankly ridiculous and I think deeply ironic given what were the themes in the movie.

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