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Where will ODB play next season?

Where will Odell Beckham play next season?

  • Cleveland

    Votes: 16 43.2%
  • New England

    Votes: 9 24.3%
  • San Francisco

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • Oakland

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • Talk his way out of the NFL like AB

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • Total voters
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Clearly, Wiley was right about his comments and he, Zampese, Saunders played a huge role in the success of offense last year. Just threw to who was open last year. wonder what happened to Higgins. Something we aren't being told.

Yep

You gotta let Baker just be Baker. Worrying about targets takes that away
 

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I get it's part of your irrational not to understand anything that refutes his comments but I'll try again. Homer?

I have ripped the GM for hiring Freddie, and ripped Freddie. Even said we'd be better off having not made the trade and just used the pick on DK Metcalf (and kept Peppers and the 3rd). I've ripped Baker for not being able to shut his mouth.

A homer for not blindly believing a report from unnamed sources?

Didn't see any of that. All I've seen is a guy trying his hardest to disprove a subject that has clear proof to support it.

Irrational & not understanding... Check & check.

That 1 says "Knowing what we know, better off not to have made the deal for him". But doesn't believe reports from unnamed sources.

Care to hear other "reports" that did not come to fruition? Or do you think Josh Allen is on the Browns?

Here's another from Shefter.....

Browns might *seriously* pass on Myles Garrett for Mitchell Trubisky at No. 1

“But I have got very smart, very well-connected people telling me over the last 24 hours that they think Trubisky’s going to be the No. 1 pick.”

But you go ahead and believe every report you see/hear.

I get it. You're trying real hard to validate yourself here. But the proof is there. Keep on deflecting Sir Gavin.
 

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Is it really overblown though? Seems like Cleveland just keeps finding new ways to prevent itself from building something special. Last year had the look & feel of "great things to come". I'll admit the offseason hype train was ridiculous & it certainly set a precedent for apparent failure, even if it was warranted given the unreal amount of talent they acquired. But the turmoil is what will be remembered the most. After the memory of all the hype fades, I think most people will just remember the Browns 2019 season as one filled with turmoil.

Speaking of Dorsey... Whats the deal with the reports of letting Schobert walk? Seems to me like they should focus on retaining the real, hard-working talent and try to quiet all the noise. Letting Schobert walk would be a mistake IMO.


Cleveland should be able to retain &/or extend the window for the distant future, so IDK about win-now mode. There are always growing pains when building a nucleus. Not all the planets are going to align perfectly. But then again, our teams have very different views on what sort of window of opportunity they have given the current state of the teams.

The hype train was unfair. Expected. But unfair
 

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Is it really overblown though? Seems like Cleveland just keeps finding new ways to prevent itself from building something special. Last year had the look & feel of "great things to come". I'll admit the offseason hype train was ridiculous & it certainly set a precedent for apparent failure, even if it was warranted given the unreal amount of talent they acquired. But the turmoil is what will be remembered the most. After the memory of all the hype fades, I think most people will just remember the Browns 2019 season as one filled with turmoil.

Speaking of Dorsey... Whats the deal with the reports of letting Schobert walk? Seems to me like they should focus on retaining the real, hard-working talent and try to quiet all the noise. Letting Schobert walk would be a mistake IMO.


Cleveland should be able to retain &/or extend the window for the distant future, so IDK about win-now mode. There are always growing pains when building a nucleus. Not all the planets are going to align perfectly. But then again, our teams have very different views on what sort of window of opportunity they have given the current state of the teams.
Overblown in the sense with a tough schedule they still look like they could win more than last year and 8-8 very possible. Just not what was expected with all the hype (including from me, as I thought 10-6).

To be fair, had at least 3-4 games that could have gone other way (Rams, Seattle, Denver, Pittsburgh). Driving to tie or take lead and couldn't get it done. Win just one of those and narrative is far different. And, yes, either Baker or Freddie a good reason they didn't win them.

Agree turmoil could be a good word to describe their season. Much of it on Baker and his not knowing when to shut up...and of course the Garrett/Rudolph incident.

as for Dorsey/Schoebert a little concerning but again just a report. Concerning because he didn't draft Schoebert so wouldn't be shocked if he would not pay to keep him. To me, he's a guy you need to keep as he's smart, a great team player AND productive. They could always transition or franchise him, too.
 

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Didn't see any of that. All I've seen is a guy trying his hardest to disprove a subject that has clear proof to support it.

Irrational & not understanding... Check & check.



I get it. You're trying real hard to validate yourself here. But the proof is there. Keep on deflecting Sir Gavin.
Validate myself? By saying we cannot be sure? Proof there is a report from an unnamed source? OK, I can acknowledge that.

wow.
 

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The hype train was unfair. Expected. But unfair
Agreed. Media fueled, not necessarily fan-based driven... Tons of splash without seeing any substance yet. But would it still be considered unfair if the Browns were, say, 12-2 or 10-3 sitting in the 1 or 2 seed right now?

Given how starved the fanbase has been for positivity & success, it had plenty of merit.
 

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Agreed. Media fueled, not necessarily fan-based driven... Tons of splash without seeing any substance yet. But would it still be considered unfair if the Browns were, say, 12-2 or 10-3 sitting in the 1 or 2 seed right now?

Given how starved the fanbase has been for positivity & success, it had plenty of merit.
It did, and while 12-2 is a little much, they are a couple drives from being 8-5 and the hype train would still be rolling if they were.

Other teams I'm sure could say they are a couple drives/plays from winning a couple more, I understand. Not saying Browns should be or deserve to be.....only the narrative is far different if they were.

better example of this might be last season. Kicker does his job and Chubb gains 3 more inches (or refs do not overturn questionable spot) we have 3 more wins and quite possible they make the playoffs. Problem is they probably also keep Hue, so maybe better they lost.

I don't think Freddie is better or worse because of the outcome of those games. I just don't think he's very good in this job.
 

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Overblown in the sense with a tough schedule they still look like they could win more than last year and 8-8 very possible. Just not what was expected with all the hype (including from me, as I thought 10-6).

To be fair, had at least 3-4 games that could have gone other way (Rams, Seattle, Denver, Pittsburgh). Driving to tie or take lead and couldn't get it done. Win just one of those and narrative is far different. And, yes, either Baker or Freddie a good reason they didn't win them.

Agree turmoil could be a good word to describe their season. Much of it on Baker and his not knowing when to shut up...and of course the Garrett/Rudolph incident.

as for Dorsey/Schoebert a little concerning but again just a report. Concerning because he didn't draft Schoebert so wouldn't be shocked if he would not pay to keep him. To me, he's a guy you need to keep as he's smart, a great team player AND productive. They could always transition or franchise him, too.
Preaching to the choir. Steelers lost to SEA, SF, & BAL by an average of 3pts... Had they figured out a way to win those games they would be a 1 or 2 seed right now.

Agreed on Schobert. Makes no sense for them to allow him to walk. Tagging him would be a much better move if they weren't able to offer him what he wanted. Homegrown guys like that are exactly what they need to build with.
 

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Preaching to the choir. Steelers lost to SEA, SF, & BAL by an average of 3pts... Had they figured out a way to win those games they would be a 1 or 2 seed right now.

Agreed on Schobert. Makes no sense for them to allow him to walk. Tagging him would be a much better move if they weren't able to offer him what he wanted. Homegrown guys like that are exactly what they need to build with.
I will lose even more faith with Dorsey if he just lets him go with a tag available. They have plenty of cap space to keep him another year and try to work something out longterm.
 

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It did, and while 12-2 is a little much, they are a couple drives from being 8-5 and the hype train would still be rolling if they were.

Other teams I'm sure could say they are a couple drives/plays from winning a couple more, I understand. Not saying Browns should be or deserve to be.....only the narrative is far different if they were.
The hardest part about these realizations is that after the dust settles nobody remembers the what-ifs, except for the fans that lived it.
 

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The hardest part about these realizations is that after the dust settles nobody remembers the what-ifs, except for the fans that lived it.
Truth be told I think it might be the other way around. Fans just say it's a loss, at least when they are a critic of the coach. The FO can look at it rationally and say they might have lost but maybe not on the coach (if they are evaluating the coach).

I actually am one who will not blame playcalling like fans do. We don't know the playcall, only the result. There have been times Baker had an easy dumpoff that might have gone for a lot of yards and for whatever reason he seems too intent on throwing downfield. where I do have an issue with Freddie, though, is not even trying to run with the top RB going against the worst run D last week. Or the many times he has an empty backfield in 2nd or 3rd and 2 telling the D not to worry about the run.
 

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Truth be told I think it might be the other way around. Fans just say it's a loss, at least when they are a critic of the coach. The FO can look at it rationally and say they might have lost but maybe not on the coach (if they are evaluating the coach).

I actually am one who will not blame playcalling like fans do. We don't know the playcall, only the result. There have been times Baker had an easy dumpoff that might have gone for a lot of yards and for whatever reason he seems too intent on throwing downfield. where I do have an issue with Freddie, though, is not even trying to run with the top RB going against the worst run D last week. Or the many times he has an empty backfield in 2nd or 3rd and 2 telling the D not to worry about the run.
It's the more rational fans that see more than just the W/L column... But people outside looking in, tend to focus on it.

I'll admit in games I wear my emotions too much on my sleeves. I'll knee-jerk everything as I see it. It's all part of the fun though. But during my postgame recap/analysis I have on our team board I'll typically be more rational... Mainly because I'll wait 24-48 hours to digest each game before talking about it again.

Freddie... Given how close he was with Baker I have to wonder how long of a leash he gives him in games. Ignoring the running game is odd, but maybe that's what Baker is leading him to do? Its fair to wonder if Baker is just out to prove himself and wants to throw more. As you said, trying to appease Baker seems to be a directive.
 

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It's the more rational fans that see more than just the W/L column... But people outside looking in, tend to focus on it.

I'll admit in games I wear my emotions too much on my sleeves. I'll knee-jerk everything as I see it. It's all part of the fun though. But during my postgame recap/analysis I have on our team board I'll typically be more rational... Mainly because I'll wait 24-48 hours to digest each game before talking about it again.

Freddie... Given how close he was with Baker I have to wonder how long of a leash he gives him in games. Ignoring the running game is odd, but maybe that's what Baker is leading him to do? Its fair to wonder if Baker is just out to prove himself and wants to throw more. As you said, trying to appease Baker seems to be a directive.
what you are saying is possible, but I think Baker knows running the ball will only help him.

No doubt about the fans, though. Way too many irrational ones. If they hate the coach you can bet anything that goes wrong they will blame him. I at least try to be fair with Freddie. I recall thinking he completely screwed up the Rams game getting the ball inside the 10 and at the end and not running once. while I still think that was a mistake not to run at least once or at least have Chubb in the game, there was at least 1 play where Baker did not throw to the right guy (Landry had a pretty easy TD on one).
 

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what you are saying is possible, but I think Baker knows running the ball will only help him.

No doubt about the fans, though. Way too many irrational ones. If they hate the coach you can bet anything that goes wrong they will blame him. I at least try to be fair with Freddie. I recall thinking he completely screwed up the Rams game getting the ball inside the 10 and at the end and not running once. while I still think that was a mistake not to run at least once or at least have Chubb in the game, there was at least 1 play where Baker did not throw to the right guy (Landry had a pretty easy TD on one).
It's much easier to be fair with Freddie after just 1 year. Try being fair to Tomlin after 13 seasons. I'm struggling to give the man even a shred of credit for anything positive after so many years of failures, even if he is clearly proving me wrong this year.
 

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It's much easier to be fair with Freddie after just 1 year. Try being fair to Tomlin after 13 seasons. I'm struggling to give the man even a shred of credit for anything positive after so many years of failures, even if he is clearly proving me wrong this year.
Wont get any sympathy from a Browns' fan. Sorry.

all seriousness, Tomlin for the most part at least comes across as a leader. Freddie anything but.
 

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Wont get any sympathy from a Browns' fan. Sorry.

all seriousness, Tomlin for the most part at least comes across as a leader. Freddie anything but.

The job tomlin is doing with this pieced together offense is solid

Not lookin for sympathy. Just a funny anecdote for the convo. Freddie doesn't strike me as the leader type. But neither has Tomlin. Which is brought up routinely for Tomlin every season. "He's too buddy buddy with his team", "He doesn't know how to discipline his team", "He relies heavily on his veterans & their presence to maintain a lockerroom", etc etc.

Yes, Tomlin has made me eat my words this season. Best year of coaching I've seen from him. But like I said, still have a hard time giving him praise after all that he's put me through lol. And I still tend to believe that they are only in the position they are in because of their defense. Without it, they'd be a 4-5 win team this year.
 

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Not lookin for sympathy. Just a funny anecdote for the convo. Freddie doesn't strike me as the leader type. But neither has Tomlin. Which is brought up routinely for Tomlin every season. "He's too buddy buddy with his team", "He doesn't know how to discipline his team", "He relies heavily on his veterans & their presence to maintain a lockerroom", etc etc.

Yes, Tomlin has made me eat my words this season. Best year of coaching I've seen from him. But like I said, still have a hard time giving him praise after all that he's put me through lol. And I still tend to believe that they are only in the position they are in because of their defense. Without it, they'd be a 4-5 win team this year.
Sympathy comment was also more for the funny part of the convo. Can't say I see him as much as you but at least from the outside Tomlin comes across as a leader. Freddie anything but. Cares too much about criticism directed his way.
 

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Sympathy comment was also more for the funny part of the convo. Can't say I see him as much as you but at least from the outside Tomlin comes across as a leader. Freddie anything but. Cares too much about criticism directed his way.
I wish Tomlin cared MORE about criticism directed his way... Can't tell you how many times I've wanted to punch that man while watching his postgame presser bullshit. Thought I was in for another long year after the week 1 blowout loss when his first response was "Obviously we weren't ready for primetime"... smh
 
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