2019-2020 Official Regular Season Thread

trojanfan12 · Dec 15, 2019

dtgold88 said:
will never get an argument from me woj is to more respected than Stephen A and Broussard.

Yeah, those 2 are pretty bad. It's almost at the point where you don't want them saying anything good about your team because you know the opposite is going to happen.

This past off-season I knew the Lakers weren't getting Kawhi as soon as I heard Broussard say they were. lol

dtgold88 · Dec 15, 2019

trojanfan12 said:
Yeah, those 2 are pretty bad. It's almost at the point where you don't want them saying anything good about your team because you know the opposite is going to happen.

This past off-season I knew the Lakers weren't getting Kawhi as soon as I heard Broussard say they were. lol

Just 2 different types of reporters. At least with SAS (Broussard just tries to be a lesser version) he knows what got him paid and what many want from him. He'll at least go out on a limb and sometimes he's right (only one who had Lebron and Bosh to Miami).

Woj? He pretty much waits for the deal to be done. Wont make outlandish predictions and nothing wrong with that.

Black Adam · Dec 15, 2019

trojanfan12 said:
Yep. The W column doesn't differentiate pretty wins from ugly ones.

The Lakers have had 3 or 4 "ugly wins" this year.

yup...

bottom line, win the games you're supposed to, and get as many W's as you can get your hands on...

with an 82 game schedule even good teams aren't gonna put up a masterpiece every night...

Black Adam · Dec 15, 2019

trojanfan12 said:
Yeah, those 2 are pretty bad. It's almost at the point where you don't want them saying anything good about your team because you know the opposite is going to happen.

This past off-season I knew the Lakers weren't getting Kawhi as soon as I heard Broussard say they were. lol

lol, yeah, that really was pretty much the killing blow...

trojanfan12 · Dec 15, 2019

ChiefsLakers67 said:
lol, yeah, that really was pretty much the killing blow...

It was funny because I happened to be listening when he said it.

My first reaction was :yes:

Then I remembered it was Broussard and quickly changed to :gaah:

tlance · Dec 15, 2019

dtgold88 said:
I'm implying these guys can say whatever they want and there is no accountability. I mean, Shefter, a well respected NFL insider reported the Browns were set to take Trubisky #1.

“But I have got very smart, very well-connected people telling me over the last 24 hours that they think Trubisky’s going to be the No. 1 pick.”

Do you think at any time the Browns were taking him over Garrett?

No I don’t.

Sometimes reporters are wrong and get lead misinformation.

But that isn’t really relevant to Kevin Love’s trade value. I am quite sure that there are many NBA teams who want no part of Love’s contract because it is inconsistent with their build plans.

So yeah, I 100% believe that at least some teams would require a 1st rounder back to take Love. 100%.

I also know the Cavs would never do that, because if they can’t find a package they like they will keep him. And I do expect for options like the Phoenix idea to potentially materialize where they get a decent asset and an expiring deal.

The point is, if Kevin Love were on what was universally considered to be a good contract, there would not be any reports like this about Love costing a pick to move.

Assets are assets even a rebuilder would take on Love for free if they thought they could get something valuable by flipping him.

This article is evidence of exactly what I said 2 summers ago. That the extension was an emotional response from Griffin that hurt Love’s trade value. Because you know the Cavs would have returned at least 1 1st, maybe 2 without having to take back long term salary if Love were expiring last year.

That is unless you think Tobias Harris is considerably better than Love. I don’t.

dtgold88 · Dec 15, 2019

tlance said:
No I don’t.

Sometimes reporters are wrong and get lead misinformation.

But that isn’t really relevant to Kevin Love’s trade value. I am quite sure that there are many NBA teams who want no part of Love’s contract because it is inconsistent with their build plans.

So yeah, I 100% believe that at least some teams would require a 1st rounder back to take Love. 100%.

I also know the Cavs would never do that, because if they can’t find a package they like they will keep him. And I do expect for options like the Phoenix idea to potentially materialize where they get a decent asset and an expiring deal.

The point is, if Kevin Love were on what was universally considered to be a good contract, there would not be any reports like this about Love costing a pick to move.

Assets are assets even a rebuilder would take on Love for free if they thought they could get something valuable by flipping him.

This article is evidence of exactly what I said 2 summers ago. That the extension was an emotional response from Griffin that hurt Love’s trade value. Because you know the Cavs would have returned at least 1 1st, maybe 2 without having to take back long term salary if Love were expiring last year.

That is unless you think Tobias Harris is considerably better than Love. I don’t.

I don't think Harris is much better. Which is why it seems understandable the Cavs signed Love to that deal and it wasn't emotional.

Cavs cannot get amy better in the FA market so why not keep the guy?

tlance · Dec 15, 2019

dtgold88 said:
I don't think Harris is much better. Which is why it seems understandable the Cavs signed Love to that deal and it wasn't emotional.

Cavs cannot get amy better in the FA market so why not keep the guy?

Ok.

Then why the trade rumors?

If you want him for the rebuild, then keep him.

If they want to deal him, they absolutely hurt his trade value by extending him.

dtgold88 · Dec 15, 2019

tlance said:
Ok.

Then why the trade rumors?

If you want him for the rebuild, then keep him.

If they want to deal him, they absolutely hurt his trade value by extending him.

So you keep saying, but there is no proof to that last comment. How is his trade value for them if he had left, which he could have done after last year if not extended?

Stakesarehigh · Dec 15, 2019

dtgold88 said:
I don't think Harris is much better. Which is why it seems understandable the Cavs signed Love to that deal and it wasn't emotional.

Cavs cannot get amy better in the FA market so why not keep the guy?

Because if you're going full rebuild it's just a big deal that is hard to move. I get that they need someone to spend their money on but may as well eat bad deals for picks if that's the route.

dtgold88 · Dec 15, 2019

Stakesarehigh said:
Because if you're going full rebuild it's just a big deal that is hard to move. I get that they need someone to spend their money on but may as well eat bad deals for picks if that's the route.

You get he was a FA, though, if he wanted and could have left with us getting nothing? They will still have $40 mil in cap room after the season even with Love's deal.

Stakesarehigh · Dec 15, 2019

dtgold88 said:
You get he was a FA, though, if he wanted and could have left with us getting nothing? They will still have $40 mil in cap room after the season even with Love's deal.

No they extended him before his final season of the deal. After LeBron left. The point others are making if you wanted to move him you should've done so at the deadline last year and not extended him. Talking about trading him several months into his new deal is just silly

dtgold88 · Dec 15, 2019

Stakesarehigh said:
No they extended him before his final season of the deal. After LeBron left. The point others are making if you wanted to move him you should've done so at the deadline last year and not extended him. Talking about trading him several months into his new deal is just silly

They extended him before the 2018-19 season, right? He was free to leave after last season. Why are others so sure he'd be easy to move without a guarantee they'd have him beyond next season? You saw the AD saga, right? Many teams would not deal for him because they didn't know if they could keep him. why would it be different with Love (a lesser player)?

Stakesarehigh · Dec 15, 2019

dtgold88 said:
They extended him before the 2018-19 season, right? He was free to leave after last season. Why are others so sure he'd be easy to move without a guarantee they'd have him beyond next season? You saw the AD saga, right? Many teams would not deal for him because they didn't know if they could keep him. why would it be different with Love (a lesser player)?

With the way the NBA works yes he's definitely more valuable as an expiring versus 4 years big money.

tlance · Dec 15, 2019

dtgold88 said:
So you keep saying, but there is no proof to that last comment. How is his trade value for them if he had left, which he could have done after last year if not extended?

Sure, that is a fair point.

But I doubt they would have done that.

The decision to extend IMO was a reaction that Gilbert knew would generate positive buzz for the fan base after LeBron left.

And it did that. So mission accomplished.

But you and Wiggy claimed the deal boosted his trade value when it went down. Time will tell for sure, but I believe I was right on this when it happened.

When/if Love is eventually dealt we will know for sure.

tlance · Dec 15, 2019

dtgold88 said:
They extended him before the 2018-19 season, right? He was free to leave after last season. Why are others so sure he'd be easy to move without a guarantee they'd have him beyond next season? You saw the AD saga, right? Many teams would not deal for him because they didn't know if they could keep him. why would it be different with Love (a lesser player)?

That just isn’t true.

For superstars, yes, they are more valuable on long term deals.

For good, not great players like Love it doesn’t work like that.

Most teams prefer financial flexibility over a long term commitment to a 31 year old injury prone good player. Hence, they reduced his value.

I keep saying there will be a market for Love. But it will be narrow and teams will be a little nervous about those last 2 years. So his trade value is less.

tlance · Dec 15, 2019

dtgold88 said:
They extended him before the 2018-19 season, right? He was free to leave after last season. Why are others so sure he'd be easy to move without a guarantee they'd have him beyond next season? You saw the AD saga, right? Many teams would not deal for him because they didn't know if they could keep him. why would it be different with Love (a lesser player)?

I keep bringing up the Tobias Harris deal.

Every year, good players with expiring deals are highly sought after at the deadline. Usually they aren’t as good as Love. There would have been a much greater market for him last year than there is now.

Stakesarehigh · Dec 15, 2019

tlance said:
I keep bringing up the Tobias Harris deal.

Every year, good players with expiring deals are highly sought after at the deadline. Usually they aren’t as good as Love. There would have been a much greater market for him last year than there is now.

Yea you would have to think teams looking to add another piece like the Celtics would've shed some of those picks for Love

Black Adam · Dec 15, 2019

quick NFL note, coach...

Haskins is looking better...

Mecca · Dec 15, 2019

I'm glad.

wildturkey said:
Early reports right now are saying a "moderate ankle sprain". X-rays came back negative so nothing super serious. Probably just miss a game or two

That kid has been fire.

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