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Do the White Sox get a pass?

You claim I give free passes. My point is not to pave the way for a free pass... I hope we get Rendon.

Just wonder at what point is it too much. You said bid $1 more. Thus I asked a for a price............Obviously too much was paid for Josh H and we were wise to pass.

bidding $1 more for Texas is actually worth A LOT of money when you consider how much of their schedule is in tax free stats (Home games, Astros in division and the rays every single year).

especially if its the dodgers they're bidding against.
 

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don't like this suggestion. why sign 2 and then trade Minor or Lynn? logic escapes me. sounds like signing off the season before it even starts
If we don't get one of the big three the season signs off on it's own. We don't get very far in 2020 with one of them. We get better, but not good enough to make much noise in Ocrober if any. A desperate team will give us something to help when we do have a chance to make some noise in October. Had we done that with Beltre and a few years back we might be a lot further along now.
 

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Did he not also say perhaps moving Gallo if we move our best pitching?

Guess the issue is determining when our window is to contend at a high level
Yeah, I don't agree that the window has to get moved back, but then I don't really see the window opening in 2020 unless we go crazy in free agency.
 

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If we don't get one of the big three the season signs off on it's own. We don't get very far in 2020 with one of them. We get better, but not good enough to make much noise in Ocrober if any. A desperate team will give us something to help when we do have a chance to make some noise in October. Had we done that with Beltre and a few years back we might be a lot further along now.
I thought the object of JD and the owners was to get better in 2020 and then a little better in 2021 and so forth not sit on our hands and wait for whenever
 

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bidding $1 more for Texas is actually worth A LOT of money when you consider how much of their schedule is in tax free stats (Home games, Astros in division and the rays every single year).

especially if its the dodgers they're bidding against.
That is a valid point. I think the agents try to avoid mentioning that though as their cut is a percentage before taxes.
 

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Yeah, I don't agree that the window has to get moved back, but then I don't really see the window opening in 2020 unless we go crazy in free agency.
I thought the object was to keep moving toward that window not waiting for the window to move to us
 

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I thought the object of JD and the owners was to get better in 2020 and then a little better in 2021 and so forth not sit on our hands and wait for whenever
It certainly is and that is what they are trying to do, trying to get much better. They are trying to get significantly better. If they can only get slightly better then they may start thinking a little about the future. Slightly better doesn't get us very far.

Also, if they sign decent pitchers and part of the return in the Minor trade is ready to play in Arlington this year, you might be better than you would be by not signing one additional pitcher and keeping Minor. That would remain to be seen.
 

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I thought the object was to keep moving toward that window not waiting for the window to move to us
The object is to build a championship team. A World Series title is the object.
 

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It certainly is and that is what they are trying to do, trying to get much better. They are trying to get significantly better. If they can only get slightly better then they may start thinking a little about the future. Slightly better doesn't get us very far.

Also, if they sign decent pitchers and part of the return in the Minor trade is ready to play in Arlington this year, you might be better than you would be by not signing one additional pitcher and keeping Minor. That would remain to be seen.
Age although part of me still feels that you can not wait to get better you have do it in steps that get you there without having to keep moving the window of opportunity back
 

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The object is to build a championship team. A World Series title is the object.
Agreed but you have accomplish that in steps not wait for it. You improve the team in steps until you reach nirvana. Add positives now, add another positive next season and so on
 

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I haven't heard the Rangers linked to Lindblom at all.
 

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Agreed but you have accomplish that in steps not wait for it. You improve the team in steps until you reach nirvana. Add positives now, add another positive next season and so on
Patience is a virtue that no one wants, but can be very necessary.

I do think what I laid out causes us to win more games this year than last year though. Depending on the return in the trade, maybe more than just a handful of games.
 

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Patience is a virtue that no one wants, but can be very necessary.

I do think what I laid out causes us to win more games this year than last year though. Depending on the return in the trade, maybe more than just a handful of games.
Possibly
 

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Patience is a virtue that no one wants, but can be very necessary.

I do think what I laid out causes us to win more games this year than last year though. Depending on the return in the trade, maybe more than just a handful of games.

Trading Minor wins us more games this year?
 

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Trading Minor wins us more games this year?
Not by itself, I never said that.

Replacing him with a decent/good pitcher and getting back a piece that is ready to play this year very well could. Even if it didn't, we most likely would be better off in the long run.

It depends on who we sign to pitch this year and the return in the trade. It is also a part of a bigger picture where we don't get to spend big money on Rendon, Cole or Strasburg. That leaves more money for something else. That something else is a part of what could make us win more games in 2020 than 2019.

Even if the trade return doesn't make a difference until 2021 it would be fine with me though.
 

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Not by itself, I never said that.

Replacing him with a decent/good pitcher and getting back a piece that is ready to play this year very well could. Even if it didn't, we most likely would be better off in the long run.

It depends on who we sign to pitch this year and the return in the trade. It is also a part of a bigger picture where we don't get to spend big money on Rendon, Cole or Strasburg. That leaves more money for something else. That something else is a part of what could make us win more games in 2020 than 2019.

Even if the trade return doesn't make a difference until 2021 it would be fine with me though.
if we do trade Minor and/or Lynn I suspect it will be prior to or the trade deadline and not during this off-season
 

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if we do trade Minor and/or Lynn I suspect it will be prior to or the trade deadline and not during this off-season

I think you’re right.

Texas will also have some money to spend next winter if they do so.
 

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I think you’re right.

Texas will also have some money to spend next winter if they do so.
Texas has money to spend this off-season and they should address at least 1 need maybe 2. and they will have money to spend next off-season to address 1 or more needs then. it is a slow process where you make improvements over a period of time with the final aim is to reach the WS. over that period you improve the team record over a couple of years, possibly earning a spot in the playoffs 1 year and then the next you improve a bit more possibly making the WS and winning the WS multiple times following that
 

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Not by itself, I never said that.

Replacing him with a decent/good pitcher and getting back a piece that is ready to play this year very well could. Even if it didn't, we most likely would be better off in the long run.

It depends on who we sign to pitch this year and the return in the trade. It is also a part of a bigger picture where we don't get to spend big money on Rendon, Cole or Strasburg. That leaves more money for something else. That something else is a part of what could make us win more games in 2020 than 2019.

Even if the trade return doesn't make a difference until 2021 it would be fine with me though.

You're rolling out like 17 different scenarios here, and its hard to keep track of them all
 
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