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There are maybe 6 or 7 starting pitchers worthy of the Sox pursuit. The top two, Gerrit Cole and Stephen Strasburg, I'm guessing will not be on Hahn's pursuit list. But that leaves a few notables who he should go after:

Zack Wheeler - He's been climbing the rankings almost from the day the World Series officially ended, and is ranked as the #3 FA starting pitcher and overall #4 ranked free agent. There are now reportedly more teams interested in Wheeler than Cole and Strasburg combined, altho that's largely due to the affordability factor. The trouble is, this means the Sox will have just that much more competition in bidding for his services. But if I had to pick a #1 realistic target for the Good Guys to chase, Wheeler would be the guy.

Jake Odorizzi - The market doesn't seem to be nearly as robust for Jake, so he may just be the best shot of the Sox signing a starter this offseason. And if we did, it would be both addition by addition as well as addition by subtraction, with the Twins loss being our direct gain.

Hyun-Jin Ryu - Another quality starter who's not generating a lot of press, he may be a bit past it in the age department at 33, but he'd be worth pursuing on a 3-4 year contract with a club option after say year 2.

Honorable mentions: Madison Bumgarner & Dallas Keuchel - I have these two listed as the type of pitchers with excellent histories, who are past their prime, yet could be the perfect fit for a team that might just be one or two players away from reaching the promised land. I just don't think that's the Sox, at least not yet.
 

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Scratch Odorizzi, he accepted the QO from the Twins.
 

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So now we scratch Wheeler as well and the list narrows. It's already a given that we're not in the Cole/Strasburg sweepstakes. Really reduces the field of the remaining impact FAs.

Bumgarner?
Keuchel?
Ryu?
Porcello?

<Insert Name>?

Guess we have to see how the brass comes up with their next move.
 

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So now we scratch Wheeler as well and the list narrows. It's already a given that we're not in the Cole/Strasburg sweepstakes. Really reduces the field of the remaining impact FAs.

Bumgarner?
Keuchel?
Ryu?
Porcello?

<Insert Name>?

Guess we have to see how the brass comes up with their next move.
i'm guessing matt harvey or edwin jackson.
 

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actually, since they already passed on the best available starting pitchers, i think they should decide NOT to pursue any more. SAVE THE MONEY! that should be their motto. they should concentrate on coming up with a couple good and dependable relievers and a right fielder. i'd also suggest a dh but i'm guessing yasmani will end up doing that because i doubt he'll be behind the plate very long and they threw all that money at him so they'll have to play him.

they should just hope that between giolito, lopez, kopech, rodon, cease, dunning and steiver they put a solid rotation together.
 

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actually, since they already passed on the best available starting pitchers, i think they should decide NOT to pursue any more. SAVE THE MONEY! that should be their motto. they should concentrate on coming up with a couple good and dependable relievers and a right fielder. i'd also suggest a dh but i'm guessing yasmani will end up doing that because i doubt he'll be behind the plate very long and they threw all that money at him so they'll have to play him.

they should just hope that between giolito, lopez, kopech, rodon, cease, dunning and steiver they put a solid rotation together.

There's some truth to this. Just see what the team is this year and then make the big splash next year. Jerry will sign a premier FA if we actually are decent in 2020. And the majority of the team is locked up for a few years now...so if the core is actually what we hope it is (I'm skeptical...but if it is), then we should make the big moves next offseason. Everyone wants to "win now"...as this was the expectation before last season...but last season went so horrendously bad that the expectations for 2020 have to be what they were for 2019 at this point until the product on the field is actually...you know...competitive.

Granted, if they make a few more signings I won't cry about it...but at this point nobody we sign realistically is going to be gamebreaking (read: no strasburg or cole) so it's up to our young core to become the goods.
 

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i'd also suggest a dh but i'm guessing yasmani will end up doing that because i doubt he'll be behind the plate very long and they threw all that money at him so they'll have to play him.

Pout much? Good grief are you ever a piece of work.
 

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don't know what the fuck you're talking about. i'm dead serious and i think time will prove me correct. or do you think you couldn't possibly be wrong?
I think you know damn well what the fuck I'm talking about. It's quite possible that Grandal may not have a great career with the Sox, but then again maybe he will, who knows. But unlike you, what I'm not doing is already predicting that he's going to be a bust simply because I'm upset that the Sox paid a premium to obtain his services. I'm rooting for the guy, which is what all fans should do for when we take on a new player.

The problem with fans like you who are unhappy with a signing, then go ahead and make a negative prediction as to how he'll perform, is you will look for every opportunity to prove your point, or in other words, will be rooting for Grandal to fail, because you'd rather be right than wish for what's best for the Sox.

You know id, we already have such an asshole who does this very thing on the Bears board. It's a shame we now have one on this board as well.
 

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I think you know damn well what the fuck I'm talking about. It's quite possible that Grandal may not have a great career with the Sox, but then again maybe he will, who knows. But unlike you, what I'm not doing is already predicting that he's going to be a bust simply because I'm upset that the Sox paid a premium to obtain his services. I'm rooting for the guy, which is what all fans should do for when we take on a new player.

The problem with fans like you who are unhappy with a signing, then go ahead and make a negative prediction as to how he'll perform, is you will look for every opportunity to prove your point, or in other words, will be rooting for Grandal to fail, because you'd rather be right than wish for what's best for the Sox.

You know id, we already have such an asshole who does this very thing on the Bears board. It's a shame we now have one on this board as well.

your mistake is thinking it's a 50/50 proposition. it isn't. ALL the signs point to his decline ... and not from some lofty status either. he's an aging poor catcher who can't hit much but has a little power and that is IT! that you're too blinded to see it does not surprise me (even knowing the sox's history in their dealings). now just because you see something in him that isn't there doesn't make you just a fan. it makes you an gullible fan. gullible fans are always trying to put down realistic fans, i guess it's just because they can't face the truth about their beloved team. the term 'asshole' is relative you know. from here you look like the asshole.
you're good for a reason or two here. you post a LOT! you do get conversations started. you do your homework. but i don't think you understand the game very well. mostly you sound like you're on the sox's payroll cheering for all the potential and ignoring all the reality. that's not being a good fan at all. in fact, i don't think you understand what a fan is. to me, that's kind of asshole-ish.
normally i wouldn't make a point of this but, since you want to start name-calling ... i'm all in.
 

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here you go LSD:

Definition of "fan: by Merriam-Webster
an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator.

Collings Dictionary:
If you are a fan of someone or something, especially a famous person or a sport, you like them very much and are very interested in them.

Dictionary.com
an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer of a sport, pastime, celebrity

i could say a lot about the 'type' of fan you seem to be. 'frustrated sports writer', or 'wanna be statistician' or an 'obsessive thread starter'! and that's cool. i've never begrudged that from you. but why the fuck do you think you're the ONLY kind of fan allowed in here?

the 'type' of fan i am is ... judgmental and demanding and i love a good argument if it's honest! don't think for one second you're a "better' fan than i am. i've loved the sox much longer than you're been alive. but at the same time i can HATE the owner and pretty much the whole front office. i can dislike certain players and love others. and i can DAMN WELL blast what i think is a bad move on the part of a team and i shouldn't have to put up with the kind of shit you spout because i'm not the 'type' of fan you think i should be. whoever that "asshole" on the bears site is i'm quite sure he thinks you're an asshole. and he'd be right because the asshole is the one who puts down those he disagrees with.
 

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I never said you're an asshole because we disagree or have differing viewpoints on how a particular player performs. I said you're an asshole because you'd rather be right about Grandal failing with the White Sox than rooting for him to succeed. Only an asshole would root against the best interests of his team in order to justify his opinion.
 

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I never said you're an asshole because we disagree or have differing viewpoints on how a particular player performs. I said you're an asshole because you'd rather be right about Grandal failing with the White Sox than rooting for him to succeed. Only an asshole would root against the best interests of his team in order to justify his opinion.

there IS an asshole in this conversation but it's not me. it's a grand assumption on your part that i'd rather be right about grandal to the detriment of the team. why would you think this? did i say this at some point here? or do you just read minds? the FACT is one of my last comments in the "white sox pursuing wheeler" thread was we'll hope for the best with him! the ASSHOLE is the guy who tells you what you think and how you feel.
i get that you're upset that we don't all jump on the 'great framer's' bandwagon but isn't that just tough titty? there's a lot of sox acquisitions i never liked, like the fat waste of money that was dunn or the roach. could be wrong but i think you liked those pickups. i am certainly wrong at times ... like AJ. i hated the guy and thought he be a bust and bad for the chemistry of the team. but i'm generally comfortable with my prognostications.
now we can either get past your childish whining about posters you don't see eye to eye with and be civil ..... or we can keep this up. it's up to you.
 

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Trade for David price. Please?
 

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Trade for David price. Please?
LOL, I don't think so, unless perhaps the Red Sox offer to carry the lion's share of his salary. But then again, that's the primary reason why they are probably shopping him, so we can rule this out. That's one really large contract.
 

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LOL, I don't think so, unless perhaps the Red Sox offer to carry the lion's share of his salary. But then again, that's the primary reason why they are probably shopping him, so we can rule this out. That's one really large contract.

pretty please? With sugar on top?
 

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pretty please? With sugar on top?
I see that your team is currently saddled with a number of mega contracts, and then with Mookie just one year away from free agency. Now he would be someone as a White Sox fan I'd be interested in obtaining, just so long as we didn't give up any of our top prospects, being that Mookie will definitely hit the market next year. I'm dead set against trading our top draft capital for a rental. But it may be moot, as the Red Sox apparently are going to hang onto him, or at least wait and see if they get blown away with a trade offer.
 

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Dear Rick Hahn:

Sign a good pitcher already.


Sincerely,

Everyone
 
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