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Watching some of the local post-game and nightly shows from Boston, many of the television sports people are not giving any breaks to the big dogs in Foxboro.

Tom Curran is looking like Tom Brady's cup, trying to defend the GOAT. He's trying to lay most of the blame for the Patriots' poor performance on the "young" receivers, Harry and Meyers. Notice he didn't say 'rookie'?

Finally, two or three people got pissed off and started listing the underlying problems:

1. Brady's ego and attitude. There doesn't appear to be any communication between Brady and Meyer, Harry, Dorsett or Sanu. Where's the disconnect? Sanu is a late arrival, but he's a veteran. The main point that was brought up was that Braddy stopped giving a shit when Gronk walked away. Brady's biggest problem is that he didn't attend one OTA or mini-camp to get familiar with any new offensive players. Brady did not play in the preseason enough to learn their numbers.

2. Brady's attitude on the field and screaming at his teammates doesn't go over well with any of them. This isn't the old NFL. These kids play fast and they expect to see the ball in front of them and not have to turn into a pretzel to catch a ball behind them. Odd Stat: Brady was 14 for 20 for 204 yards 3TDs and QB Rating of 128.9 throwing to Edelman and White on Sunday. Throwing to everybody else he was 10 for 24 for 104 yards 0 TDs 1 INT and a QB Rating of 40.0.

3. Bill Belichick has been uncharacteristically quiet. He can't defend a team that he built or failed to build properly. In February of 2019 the Patriots won their sixth Super Bowl utilizing a very good defense and a better than average offense. When free agency began, BB sat on his hands and watched as critical pieces of his offense and defense decided not to come back. The Patriots don't have a lot of guys with huge paychecks but have a ton of guys with medium sized paychecks so they don't have much of a bank account to work with. Yet Belichick supposedly really tried hard to get Cole Beasley and other WRs who for some unknown reason said, "Nope, can't play for less than $10M a year." Did BB look at his roster and figure out anything that he could do to find a little extra cash? No, he sort of blamed the cap.

4. Belichick didn't make an effort to alter his draft even though he knew that his offensive line was much weaker than last year. Isaiah Wynn tore his Achilles in 2018 and BB had no idea whether or not he could play in NFL or not. Instead of drafting an offensive lineman, he took Harry instead of Metcalf. Metcalf was burner with world-class speed but there were doubts about his ability to run difficult routes. Harry is not a TB12 type receiver. He's big, physical and slow but has hands and the ability to outjump smaller defenders. Good pick, but the wrong pick. OL was a known weakness and BB ignored it to concentrate on the excellent defense.

5. Josh McDaniels hasn't come into 2019. He still thinks he has the Tom Brady of 2014. He's still trying to go fifty yards downfield at least three times a game when he can't see that Brady cannot throw the ball that far. In what could have been a TD pass to Edelman who had a step and half on double coverage Sunday, JE11 had to slow up and wait for a forty seven-yard pass that would have been fifty-three in 2014. The defenders easily knocked the ball away. McDaniels, instead of realizing that this kind of play won't work, wastes opportunities trying to accomplish nearly impossible passing plays.

6. The game against the Texans cannot be used as a measuring stick for this team. 9 of 11 players on defense were truly sick with the flu. Most of them got an IV at half time with huge doses of antibiotics and massive doses of vitamins. 7 members of the offense were in the same condition and four were offensive linemen. Notice that the Patriots left the field at the half down 14-3 and outscored the Texans 19-14 in the second half. The Texans were gassed late in the fourth quarter and the Patriots were shitting and puking their guts outs out in the blue tent. Not saying that the Patriots would have won the game if the flu bug hadn't decided to visit, but the Texans beat a severely unhealthy team on Sunday. One can only hope that the bug was passed along as payback.

So who gets the most blame? If you want to praise Belichick and Brady for wins, then one must also blame them for losses. Belichick can't cure the flu and neither can Brady so they can't be accused of something out of their control.

BUT........If the Patriots want to be competitive in the future, they have to pressure every player to attend OTAs and mini-camps to become familiar with all of the new guys that arrive every year. If they don't attend, get rid of them. If a player doesn't want to attend Organized TEAM Activities, then they are not a team player. No exceptions. Belichick also has to recognize and repair rip and tears in the team fabric and not try to tape over a hole. The tape will get wet or worn and the hole will be exposed when there is no needle or thread available.

Finally....... TB12 has to be told so that he understands and shown film so that he can make adjustments that he is 43 years old an that his reaction time and physical strength is not the same as it was in 2014. He must make adjustments because receivers need to have the ball thrown in front of them and also above their ankles. Time catches up with all of us. The problem is that there is no mercy in the NFL for getting old.
 

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BB didn't address the oline in the draft - true. But he did address it in free agency. The problem was, two of them retired just before training camp. That fucked the Pats. Then Andrews gets IRed due to blood clots. All unforeseen issues.

As for OTAs, if they are mandatory, I agree. If they aren't...:nono:

The other issue...there is no continuity on offense. It's been a revolving door all season. Which makes it very difficult to be consistent.

As for #6 and the Pats outscoring the Texans 19-14....Getting two garbage-time TDs means jack shit.
 

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Feel like this bears repeating for the people who continue to perpetuate the “BB ignored the OL” myth

He signed two FA’s who both retired. He spent two draft picks on OL who both missed the year due to injury, and he made three trades to try and shore up the OL
 

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And those were 3rd and 4th rounders, btw, so it’s not like he left it for 7th round comp picks
 

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Your point is well taken but...............they were not really solid replacements or even backups. They were already on the trash pile and picking through "old" garbage is not in the best interest of a team.

My opinion, again, my opinion, is that Belichick got really lazy. He lost an outstanding LT in Trent Brown and was willing to chance that a rookie who had been on IR all last year could step in and fill the void. That guy got hurt and BB had no other player behind him. Why? So he makes a deal for a guy that's about to be cut. If the guy is decent, why is he being cut? Here comes Newsome and we immediately learn that he has little to no foot speed. BB still didn't go out and find anyone to back him up, fully expecting and anticipating that Wynn would be back Week 9. He's been good, not great but good and certainly a 100% improvement on Newsome.

Andrews's illness was horrible, but again, BB got lazy and put an OG/OT into a place where he is playing way above what most normal OL could do. Ferentz has shown that he cannot play center in the NFL. The few times he's snapped the ball he's been bulldozed or totally missed a blitzer.

Is Wynn the answer at LT? Maybe. Is Karras the answer at center? No. I honestly think that 2019 has be a "We can get by with this" type of year because there is enough talent on the defense to keep scores low. The problem is much greater when the offense gives up the ball inside its own 20 or Brady throws a pick six and the defense has to find a way to even the score.

The defense hasn't scored in the last four weeks and against the Varsity the Patriots are 2-2.
 

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True plenty of blame to give around and not just on the new WR's. I wonder how much Bill doing the NFL 100 and not sticking to his usual off-season routine, contributed to whatever is distracting them from clicking. Top that off with Brady seeming to be less into football and more into family life in the off-season.
.....or maybe it's just the ebbs and flows of success and Pat's fans just have to ride it out this year. Sure is hard to watch....or should I say humbling?
 

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I just can't buy into the concept of Bill being lazy. The OL got f'd at the last minute which is no fault of Bill's. The defense is stellar but gets no help from the offense. Who knew that TWO fullbacks would end up on IR which was a KEY part of the running game? Who knew that the star kicker would go on IR? And STILL they're 10 -2 though are likely to lose a few more. The Pats lost TWO ugly games last December and we all had them buried. All of us. I'm gonna sit tight a minute and see if they figure it out in time like they did last year.
 

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I just can't buy into the concept of Bill being lazy. The OL got f'd at the last minute which is no fault of Bill's. The defense is stellar but gets no help from the offense. Who knew that TWO fullbacks would end up on IR which was a KEY part of the running game? Who knew that the star kicker would go on IR? And STILL they're 10 -2 though are likely to lose a few more. The Pats lost TWO ugly games last December and we all had them buried. All of us. I'm gonna sit tight a minute and see if they figure it out in time like they did last year.
Also some good theories....guess we will never know
 

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As Patriot fans over the past twenty years, we've all come to know and believe the Patriots way of doing things. Do your job. If you do your job you don't have to worry about anyone else's. The problem this year is that the people who've been playing in the tough games, CAN'T do their jobs. When those people were struggling against the weak sisters, an alarm should have gone off.

Another problem that no one has even mentioned is that Nick Caserio hasn't been anywhere near as involved in personnel decision making this year because he's leaving when the season is done. He will be the new Vice President of Football Operations for the Houston Texans. BB has pretty much sat him in a corner. Caserio is a workaholic and if Kraft had stepped in right away and made him a better offer and given him an upgraded title, I'm sure that things might be very different.

What we're witnessing this year is the total opposite of years past when the Patriots started slow and meshed in November and bullied their way into January. This year they started out fast against the cupcakes and have hit the tough guys and can't get their shit together. Right now, they may be catching a huge break. Home against KC and then the last road game against a weak CIN. The last two games are at Gillette.

If they can get it together and Tom can somehow work things out with the WRs, they can finish this season easily at 14-2. If TB doesn't find someplace to shove his ego then more than likely they'll lose Sunday and again against the Bills.

Beware of the Buffalo Bills. They're going to give the Patriots a Gigantic gift Sunday. I predict that they will beat the Baltimore Ravens. The patriots will know before the ball is kicked off at Gillette. We'll know what this team is made of by 5:00 PM ET.
 

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Oh I would love to see them beat the Ravens and finally get some respect.
That being said, Patriots better win their next game against the Bill's!
 

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Your point is well taken but...............they were not really solid replacements or even backups. They were already on the trash pile and picking through "old" garbage is not in the best interest of a team.
That's really not "well taking the point" it's trashing the point on merit. I don't agree with that merit, but I don't need to...
 

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Even in Retirement, Veldheer Worked for Opportunity


Hey did anybody report on this last week I just read this maybe like I always do missed one of you saying something about it. Did Veldheer want to come back and play for the Pats or asked to be released. If they just released him when he said he wanted to play isn't that f'd up. If he passed a physical I was reading somewhere else he could be ready to go in a few games then the playoffs not like this team is not in need of an OL.

Figured Bigken might have any updates I haven't really listened to any radio from Ma in the last week or 2.
 

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Even in Retirement, Veldheer Worked for Opportunity


Hey did anybody report on this last week I just read this maybe like I always do missed one of you saying something about it. Did Veldheer want to come back and play for the Pats or asked to be released. If they just released him when he said he wanted to play isn't that f'd up. If he passed a physical I was reading somewhere else he could be ready to go in a few games then the playoffs not like this team is not in need of an OL.

Figured Bigken might have any updates I haven't really listened to any radio from Ma in the last week or 2.


I had read last week that he asked for a release so he could play elsewhere but I have not heard anywhere that it was because the Pats didn't want him.
 

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I had read last week that he asked for a release so he could play elsewhere but I have not heard anywhere that it was because the Pats didn't want him.

That's why I was asking cause when I saw the article and read this line

Healthy again and with the desire to continue his career, Veldheer told the Patriots of his desire to play. They released him and the Packers claimed him on waivers on Wednesday.

Was wondering if the Pats didn't want to deal with it at this point or he just asked to be released so he could go elsewhere. it doesn't really matter now, have to roll with what is there,
 

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I just can't buy into the concept of Bill being lazy. The OL got f'd at the last minute which is no fault of Bill's. The defense is stellar but gets no help from the offense. Who knew that TWO fullbacks would end up on IR which was a KEY part of the running game? Who knew that the star kicker would go on IR? And STILL they're 10 -2 though are likely to lose a few more. The Pats lost TWO ugly games last December and we all had them buried. All of us. I'm gonna sit tight a minute and see if they figure it out in time like they did last year.


@018 Playoffs and NE SB run!
 

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Remember this!!!! Any player released after Oct. 31 is not a free agent. He must clear waivers to become a FA. The Patriots' waiver position is #32. 31 Other teams must pass on a player for the Patriots to claim him.

Think about it for one logical second, what teams would allow Veldheer to go by so that the Patriots could get him? Certainly not Harbaugh, O'Brien or Reid. Payback is a bitch and there are not any worse bitches than there are in the NFL.
 

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Why would you waive a player and then try to re-claim him on waivers? The Pats only would’ve had to re-activate Veldheer from the reserve/retired list if they wanted to retain him.
 

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Why would you waive a player and then try to re-claim him on waivers? The Pats only would’ve had to re-activate Veldheer from the reserve/retired list if they wanted to retain him.

If he is officially retired then he must come back through the waiver process. Same for Gronk. Otherwise teams would stash guys on the retired list.
 

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That’s exactly what happens with players that are placed on the reserve/retired list.

Reserve/Retired List – If a player retires prior to the expiration of his contract, the team can place him on the Reserve/Retired List and retain its rights to the player under the player’s contract. The contract is tolled, so if, for example, a player retires with 2 years remaining on his contract, and is placed on the Reserve/Retired List, then, if he chooses to “unretire”, the player’s rights are still held by the team to the extent of the remaining 2 years of the contract.

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