For my Skins fans 40yrs old and up.

kbso83432 said:

Do you guys remember how miserable you would feel on Mondays after a Skins loss?

Do you remember how you didn't even want to watch SportsCenter or talk about football?

Do you remember how you didn't even begin to come out of your funk until around Wednesday?

Remember how devastating it was to lose going into a bye and having to sit on that loss for two weeks?

Fast forward to today. Think how you felt yesterday after one of the most embarrassing losses of the season.

If you are like me you were almost hoping we had got beaten even worse, in the small hope that the more embarrassing the loss the greater chance it would have to affect real change.

Sportster and jy...........there is a real shot this city could move on from this team. I hear what you were trying to tell me a couple of weeks ago.

If Dan brings Bruce back after 1-15, he'll lose the city.

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I've never had the Monday blues following a loss by this team. While it might seem typical for a lot of fans here, as the oldest poster on the board I can fully attest to three things being true in Washington professional sports and they are:
1. First in War, first in peace and last in the American league! (Senators)
2. The Washington Generals were the doormat upon which the Harlem Globetrotters wiped their feet. (No pro team)
3. Break even or winning seasons for the football team, were as rare as a live diamond encrusted Dodo bird.

So, what does it all mean? I grew up expecting annual losses, it was "normal," and something to be proud of because we all seemed to live by the motto, "bless their hearts, they tried!" The interesting thing about them is, the history is nothing if not long spans of perpetual losses with the outlier(s) being 1936 - 1945, 1971 -1976, and 1982 - 1992 when consistent losing seasons were replaced by some years of title contending football. (I wasn't around during the 1936-1945 seasons)

Sunday's loss was no different, it was expected, yet weirdly welcomed, because like many of their predecessors, they were ill equipped to win and "bless their hearts, they tried!"

BTW: Bruce will be back simply because he's done nothing in his life to merit the job beyond being a hired friend, and unless someone can convince me otherwise, he's done nothing to hurt that relationship.

See, I was born in 75. The Skins won the whole thing my first year of watching football. Then went back the next. I was in 7th grade when they destroyed the Broncos. I was in the 11th grade when they blew out Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas couldn't even find his damn helmet.

All the other teams were the flashy, mouthy, primadonas. Gibbs had teams that were comprised of men.

Charles Mann, Monte Coleman, Dave Butz, Art Monk, Todd Bowles, Doug Williams, Earnest Byner, Rich Milot, Russ Grimm, Joe Jacoby, Jim Lachey.

Remember that! Men, guys that went about their business, didnt talk shit, and ran guys off the field.

I am a spoiled Skins fan. It crushed me when they lost. For a decade I didnt know what real losing was. I didnt understand how rare it is to win a Superbowl.

kbso83432 said:

See, I was born in 75. The Skins won the whole thing my first year of watching football. Then went back the next. I was in 7th grade when they destroyed the Broncos. I was in the 11th grade when they blew out Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas couldn't even find his damn helmet.

All the other teams were the flashy, mouthy, primadonas. Gibbs had teams that were comprised of men.

Charles Mann, Monte Coleman, Dave Butz, Art Monk, Todd Bowles, Doug Williams, Earnest Byner, Rich Milot, Russ Grimm, Joe Jacoby, Jim Lachey.

Remember that! Men, guys that went about their business, didnt talk shit, and ran guys off the field.

I am a spoiled Skins fan. It crushed me when they lost. For a decade I didnt know what real losing was. I didnt understand how rare it is to win a Superbowl.

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I feel ya man! It's interesting how time forms our perspectives. This might sound strange to you but, as you enjoyed those Super Bowl years, for some of us, they were some of the most stressful times of our professional football following lives. While others cheered every win, close or not, others wondered when the expected bottom would fall out and the joy ride come to a crashing end. Even after a Super Bowl win euphoria enjoyed by many was relief to others.

Anybody remember the "Bandwagon?" and how so many jumped on board as the team continued its advance to our last SB win, fun times huh? Well, not for a whole lot of folks who couldn't or wouldn't join in on the fun because they had history as building blocks that formed their perspective.

WashingtonPost.com: Tony Kornheiser's Bandwagon
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/...
Presenting Tony Kornheiser's season-long columns from The Bandwagon. It started by having a little fun with Coach "Joe" Gibbs, who saw doom at every stop on the schedule, and Redskins followers, who took every bad play as a sign of disaster or every good play as a sign of greatness. And then it took off. It had MOMENTUM.

I remember the bandwagon! I remember Jerris White getting a pick6 vs Detroit in 82, Mosley's record breaking FG in the snow vs NYG and Theismann jumping into his arms.

That 83 team beating the Rams I think 51-7 in the playoffs.
The scabs beating Dallas.
2nd Quarter, nuff said.
Seat cushion game vs. Atlanta.
That bomb to Gary Clark in the Meadowlands to finally beat the Giants in 91. After that I knew we were going.

I thought watching the Skins win a Superbowl every three or four years was my birthright, and my kid's birthright.

Through all the heartache this team has really brought me so much joy in my life and provided some of the best memories of my childhood.

You are right, it's crazy how age can shape your perspective.

Last week, they were in a Redskins marketing photo. Now, they plan to give up their season tickets. - The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...hoto-now-he-plans-give-up-his-season-tickets/

Pretty much sums up the Dan situation as owner and why he won't ever give it up. He is making tons of money still.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...score-permanent-paydays?srnd=opinion-business

My only hope is that he fires Bruce and lucks into a Mahomes type QB that can mask the disfunction.

Tickets are selling on Stub Hub for as low as $4 this week.

I recommend Googling NFL attendance. Redskins are mid-pack in overall attendance and home attendance. The NE Patriots home attendance is significantly lower than the Redskins. The Patriots have one more home game left and are a better draw on the road. Since the NFL is a revenue sharing league things aren't as bad for Dan's wallet as some might think.

Sportster 72 said:

I recommend Googling NFL attendance. Redskins are mid-pack in overall attendance and home attendance. The NE Patriots home attendance is significantly lower than the Redskins. The Patriots have one more home game left and are a better draw on the road. Since the NFL is a revenue sharing league things aren't as bad for Dan's wallet as some might think.

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a fact that some on this board , on social media and in the press fail to grasp

The Polls agree: the Redskins have “lost” DC - Hogs Haven The Polls agree: the Redskins have "lost" DC

Is it possible that Dan Snyder wants to move this team and among his reasons for doing so is poor attendance? Just asking but consider these facts.

.Forced to move he could get out of his current contract earlier than what's agreed to.

.He would be able to get his new stadium by 2021 or sooner.

. He'd likely add multitudes of fans on top of the current loyalists, merchandise and ticket sales could skyrocket despite his losing product.

He is a native of the area and I don't believe he has any desire to move the team. He just wants to be King.

kbso83432 said:

The Polls agree: the Redskins have “lost” DC - Hogs Haven The Polls agree: the Redskins have "lost" DC

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That was all over the news yesterday. I think a 1-9 record versus a team that just won the WS a month ago tilt that poll. No doubt the Redskin love isn't what it used to be though.

Sportster 72 said:

That was all over the news yesterday. I think a 1-9 record versus a team that just won the WS a month ago tilt that poll. No doubt the Redskin love isn't what it used to be though.

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Yeah, the timing of the poll has to skew it a little bit. But no doubt the Skins do not exclusively own this town anymore. What was also interesting in that poll is the Mystics have as large a fan base as the Wizards. Maybe they should change their name back to the Bullets. They never did recover from that move.

we are middle of the pack in attendance , that theory doesnt hold water

skinsdad62 said:

we are middle of the pack in attendance , that theory doesnt hold water

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Its not where we are per se, but where we have been. The trend is going negative rather quickly over the last 5 years. I see nothing stopping it in the foreseeable future.

j_y19 said:

Its not where we are per se, but where we have been. The trend is going negative rather quickly over the last 5 years. I see nothing stopping it in the foreseeable future.

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That would be the whole NFL