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CFP Rankings Week 12

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:dingdingding:

I'd also add "...more and better OOC matchups...." We could have more and better ones if the schools really wanted them.

The problem is that the system does the bare minimum to encourage stronger scheduling. No one knows what SOS advantages make up for a lesser record. The incentive with respect to rankings isn't that great. Besides that, P5 teams are all about scheduling seven home games.
 

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The problem is that the system does the bare minimum to encourage stronger scheduling. No one knows what SOS advantages make up for a lesser record. The incentive with respect to rankings isn't that great. Besides that, P5 teams are all about scheduling seven home games.
All true.

But, again, if P5 schools really wanted better OOC schedules, they could have them. Bottom line is they don't want them...mainly for reasons you stated. They don't want to risk the "system" screwing them. I'd also disagree with the seven home games. They'd prefer eight home games and only have to go on the road for those pesky conference games...which is impossible with nine conference games since one year you'll have five home and the next four.
 

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It might not to you but it seems to mean something to the committee..at least this year (and in 2014).

Clemson is ranked #3! :heh:
Clemson is also unbeaten and has smoked every team they've faced since the near slip-up vs. UNC.
 

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All true.

But, again, if P5 schools really wanted better OOC schedules, they could have them. Bottom line is they don't want them...mainly for reasons you stated. They don't want to risk the "system" screwing them. I'd also disagree with the seven home games. They'd prefer eight home games and only have to go on the road for those pesky conference games...which is impossible with nine conference games since one year you'll have five home and the next four.

I can't even imagine eight is too possible unless they all start playing two FCS teams every year. That said, if there were rules in place where the risk/reward of scheduling Alabama for example was much greater than playing the likes of New Mexico State, then more quality games would be possible. As it is, SOS basically matters as a tiebreaker for P5 teams with the same record and something to eliminate G5 teams outright.
 

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Clemson is also unbeaten and has smoked every team they've faced since the near slip-up vs. UNC.
True, but not the point I was making. They are doing so by winning a conference that has less ranked teams that several G5 conference. This year it should be the TCC....Total Crap Conference. Tain't Clemson's fault either. I blame their conference brethren...just like other conferences. They need more teams to step up.
 

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True, but not the point I was making. They are doing so by winning a conference that has less ranked teams that several G5 conference. This year it should be the TCC....Total Crap Conference. Tain't Clemson's fault either. I blame their conference brethren...just like other conferences. They need more teams to step up.
Oh I'm not standing up for the ACC. They are trash. But Clemson is an elite program. Utah and Oregon combined have accomplished less in their entire histories than Clemson has in the last decade.
 

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Sure, but all that matters are what the teams in the discussion did. UCLA is just awful...now on the level of, say, Tennessee.

And that's the point. USC isn't deemed as good a win because of the losses to ND and BYU OOC. They'd have the same record as UF if they won those games. Oregon would be sitting at #4, maybe #3, if it did what UGA, UF and LSU did, which was beat Auburn. The conference took on so many losses OOC and then all the teams beat each other, it doesn't make anyone look particularly good. I mean what's the best win the conference has OOC? Michigan State?
 

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This is where the Committee loses all credibility.

This game happened only 10 days earlier, we all saw it, it wasn't a fluke.
It was a bit flimsy. Penn State put up a shit ton of yards. 3 interceptions from a AB who had been very good at not throwing interceptions all season were the reason PSU lost. Doesn’t take away from Minnesota, but I’d bet on PSU in a rematch
 

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And that's the point. USC isn't deemed as good a win because of the losses to ND and BYU OOC. They'd have the same record as UF if they won those games. Oregon would be sitting at #4, maybe #3, if it did what UGA, UF and LSU did, which was beat Auburn. The conference took on so many losses OOC and then all the teams beat each other, it doesn't make anyone look particularly good. I mean what's the best win the conference has OOC? Michigan State?
all fair...but are the teams so much better or worse if Oregon holds on at the end on the road against Auburn?

Truth be told, not many big wins anywhere OOC this season for all conferences. LSUs big win against Texas has been greatly lessened (and, yes, as has the win over MSU by ASU). UGA had a nice win vs. ND but that game also was a 1 score game and UM destroyed them.
 

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all fair...but are the teams so much better or worse if Oregon holds on at the end on the road against Auburn?

Truth be told, not many big wins anywhere OOC this season for all conferences. LSUs big win against Texas has been greatly lessened (and, yes, as has the win over MSU by ASU). UGA had a nice win vs. ND but that game also was a 1 score game and UM destroyed them.

No, I don't think UGA, UF and Auburn are much better than Oregon. I think at this point UGA and UF deserve to be ranked higher, but that's an opinion that most probably disagree with. And frankly doesn't matter with Florida because they are eliminated from cfp contention. It's just a missed opportunity for a quality win for Oregon. Truth be told, IMO, they would have been better off beating Auburn and losing to a team like Washington or someone similar. They'd then have an opportunity for a 3rd quality win (Utah), and would have an equalizer to all the other SEC teams that beat Auburn.

And yeah there aren't many big OOC wins this season by any of the conferences. I'd say the B1G has 3(beating ND, Cincy and ISU) the SEC has 2(ND and Oregon) the ACC has none, the Pac 12 has none and the Big 12 has none. Believe it or not BYU actually has 2 ranked wins so I'd throw them in, but they have taken on some bad losses as well.
 

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OK first off SOS is not a factor and never has been.

UCF can't make the playoff because they don't play anyone, but Alabama is in 5th place with a cupcake schedule and a signature win over a$m. lol

No one is using SOS at all … A FBS team with play a cupcake FCS team and not lose any points for winning.

The other thing is that is --- if the Playoff Committee can get Alabama into the playoff -- they will do so … using any made up reason they can... why else is bama #5 .. they are just looking for a way to put bama in...

So the rest of you are just ai players … filling space for the playoff committee...
 

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SOS only matters when the talking heads use it to disqualify G5 teams fron playoff talk.

Theres zero reason right now for a P5 to schedule anyone OOC. The one certainty the committee has shown us so far is you cant lose more than 1 game. So the risk of playing a great OOC game and losing FAR outweighs what you get for winning.

I always go back to 2017 where OSU lost to OU OOC. If they had played a G5 or middling P5 instead and nothing else changed OSU wouldve absolutely been chosen over Bama ( even with a blowout loss to Iowa )

Until you reward teams more for being willing to play big games than you penakize them for losing big games youll continue to see bad ooc. ( like if Bama goes ahead of a 12-1 Oregon this year )
 

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Once you get to the point of saying "Who knows?", then you have to start making decisions. I definitely am agreeing with eric in that LSU would deserve to be in over Utah/Oregon, and it really wouldn't be close. The Pac12 is a disaster this year. Getting an arbitrary 12th win in the 13th game doesn't mean much when the preceding 12 games were almost entirely trash.
And I would not rip them at all if LSU was the choice as that decision can be justified.

But if you really don't know....something we do know is one won a CCG the other did not.
 

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And I would not rip them at all if LSU was the choice as that decision can be justified.

But if you really don't know....something we do know is one won a CCG the other did not.
But it was a dramatically inferior conference. If you're truly looking for the 4 best teams, the arbitrary designation of "conference champion" doesn't outweigh the other 12 weeks of the season.
 

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But it was a dramatically inferior conference. If you're truly looking for the 4 best teams, the arbitrary designation of "conference champion" doesn't outweigh the other 12 weeks of the season.
The "Dramatically inferior" comment is no more than a guess. How could you possibly know this with, what, 1 game played between the PAC and the SEC? with the SEC having maybe 2-3 quality wins outside the SEC?

while there was a spell where the BIG was pretty bad compared to the SEC, I'm sure you can recall many times where we were deemed "dramatically inferior" but held our own against the SEC in bowl season.

Going by memory, thinking we have been on their level the last 5-8 years.
 

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The "Dramatically inferior" comment is no more than a guess. How could you possibly know this with, what, 1 game played between the PAC and the SEC? with the SEC having maybe 2-3 quality wins outside the SEC?

while there was a spell where the BIG was pretty bad compared to the SEC, I'm sure you can recall many times where we were deemed "dramatically inferior" but held our own against the SEC in bowl season.

Going by memory, thinking we have been on their level the last 5-8 years.
It's not a guess, man. It's an observation based on watching a lot of football. The Pac12 is two decent teams and then a ton of mediocrity/awfulness. They were a joke out of conference and nobody in that conference has accomplished anything in recent years.

Washington was supposed to be up and coming, but they've fallen apart every time they've had a chance against other top OOC teams.

Oregon doesn't have an OOC win of any kind of importance since 2014.

Stanford has completely fallen off the map.

Utah had a somewhat decent chance last year to beat a 4-loss B1G team and lost by two scores.

USC is ranked but lost twice in OOC.

It's really not a guess. It's easy to see if you just look at the results.
 

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It's not a guess, man. It's an observation based on watching a lot of football. The Pac12 is two decent teams and then a ton of mediocrity/awfulness. They were a joke out of conference and nobody in that conference has accomplished anything in recent years.

Washington was supposed to be up and coming, but they've fallen apart every time they've had a chance against other top OOC teams.

Oregon doesn't have an OOC win of any kind of importance since 2014.

Stanford has completely fallen off the map.

Utah had a somewhat decent chance last year to beat a 4-loss B1G team and lost by two scores.

USC is ranked but lost twice in OOC.

It's really not a guess. It's easy to see if you just look at the results.
I get wins and losses mean the most, but if a team loses to another on a last minute drive in their stadium those teams are on the same level and hard to say one is much better than the other (case with Oregon/Auburn).

Very few games among the top or even upper half teams in each conference so all you have to base your opinion are mostly teams playing other teams within their own conference.
 

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I get wins and losses mean the most, but if a team loses to another on a last minute drive in their stadium those teams are on the same level and hard to say one is much better than the other (case with Oregon/Auburn).

Very few games among the top or even upper half teams in each conference so all you have to base your opinion are mostly teams playing other teams within their own conference.
That's the point. One of those teams (Auburn) is the 5th best team in their conference. The other (Oregon) is most likely the best in their conference. That's how you can tell the SEC is better than the Pac 12.
 

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I get wins and losses mean the most, but if a team loses to another on a last minute drive in their stadium those teams are on the same level and hard to say one is much better than the other (case with Oregon/Auburn).

Very few games among the top or even upper half teams in each conference so all you have to base your opinion are mostly teams playing other teams within their own conference.
There were, quite literally , more big OOC games the first 3 nights of the CBB season than there was the entire CFB OOC. Thats what happens when the gain from playing the game is more than the loss for losing. People will say " thats what makes CFB great! You have to win!!" but the reality is id rather see great OOC games and reward teams who schedule them as opposed to rewarding a team for going 11-1 while playing nobody
 

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That's the point. One of those teams (Auburn) is the 5th best team in their conference. The other (Oregon) is most likely the best in their conference. That's how you can tell the SEC is better than the Pac 12.
At the top certainly!!!! But the PAC doesn’t have an Arkansas or Vanderbilt. Didn’t Cal win on the road at Ole Miss. Conferences as a whole are very close.
 
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