2019/2020 OFF SEASON THREAD

seahawksfan234 · Nov 18, 2019

wazzu31 said:
The only reason Seager is untradeable is because of his contract. Everyone said the same with Verlander until the Tigers ate enough of the money. If the Mariners paid 90% of the contract he is very tradeable. And no better time in Mariners history is it that the Mariners can afford half of their salary dedicated to people not on the roster.

Gordon being gone is fine but his return is going to be less than what Seager can get if the Mariners toss money in equally. Gordon is at best a role player on a contender. Seager is a starter on a contender and has proven for at least 2-3 months of a season can carry an offense.

Agreed regarding Seager's contract, but I feel like Verlander is a poor comparison. Verlander plays a more important position, has a better track record and somehow turned things around. We've talked about the ownership thing extensively but I'll say I doubt they'd eat so much of Seager's contract.

Gordon is about as good as gone and I'm hoping that Seager plays like he did in the second half of 2019 for the entirety of 2020 because if he does we could trade him without eating as large of a portion of his contract as you suggested.

NWinAZ · Nov 19, 2019

mcnabb7542 · Nov 19, 2019

CBS just put out their Top 50 prospects for 2020

we got three in there:

#8 Kelenic
#41 Rodriguez
#44 Gilbert

NWinAZ · Nov 19, 2019

mcnabb7542 said:
CBS just put out their Top 50 prospects for 2020

we got three in there:

#8 Kelenic
#41 Rodriguez
#44 Gilbert

I have a love/hate with these lists. I look at them every year and love them, but then go back 4 or 5 years to see how those turned out. They are more miss than hit. I do think they are right with these guys in comparison to the rest of the prospects.

In 2015 the #5 Prospect by MLB.com was J.P. Crawford. Devers #13, Judge #17, Bregman #21.

wazzu31 · Nov 20, 2019

seahawksfan234 said:
Agreed regarding Seager's contract, but I feel like Verlander is a poor comparison. Verlander plays a more important position, has a better track record and somehow turned things around. We've talked about the ownership thing extensively but I'll say I doubt they'd eat so much of Seager's contract.

Gordon is about as good as gone and I'm hoping that Seager plays like he did in the second half of 2019 for the entirety of 2020 because if he does we could trade him without eating as large of a portion of his contract as you suggested.

How are they bad comparisons? No one wanted Verlander because of his contract either. Detroit did what Seattle should do with Seaver’s and eat most of the contract. A team will gladly take on a player of Seagers caliber if they are only paying $2 million a year for him. It’s just getting ownership to eat the money.

Gordon may be gone but just putting a ball club together having Gordon is more valuable than Seager. Gordon can play a few different positions, can pinch run or pinch hit in a bunting situation. Plus from all accounts Dee is great with younger players, not saying Seager isn’t but you don’t have players around the league raving about how great Seager was to them.

wazzu31 · Nov 20, 2019

mcnabb7542 said:
CBS just put out their Top 50 prospects for 2020

we got three in there:

#8 Kelenic
#41 Rodriguez
#44 Gilbert

Rodriguez should be the Mariners number 1 prospect.

ulmax · Nov 20, 2019

wazzu31 said:
Rodriguez should be the Mariners number 1 prospect.

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Either way..

They are both good
Kelenic..cf
Rodriguez..prob RF

Makes
Fraley..and
Lewis
The other 2..looks good

mcnabb7542 · Nov 20, 2019

wazzu31 said:
Rodriguez should be the Mariners number 1 prospect.

It's like @NWinAZ said in a round about way these lists never live up to the hype five or six years down the road.

ulmax · Nov 20, 2019

Cal Raleigh..c..22.HRs
And
Joe rizzo..3b..10 ..HRs
Hr hitters
Important prospects

Rodriguez..is hitting for good average..add some HRs.(12).and he really will be awsome...
Not bad though
Profiles As..LF

mcnabb7542 · Nov 20, 2019

ulmax said:
Cal Raleigh..c..22.HRs
And
Joe rizzo..3b..10 ..HRs
Hr hitters
Important prospects

Rodriguez..is hitting for good average..add some HRs..and he really will be awsome...

I don't think you need to worry about them bashing the ball out of the yard all the time.
Safeco is big and deep in the alley's, but the ball in the gaps and let the speed take off.

That of course if they hire a 3rd base coach that will take the stop signal off from time to time

seahawksfan234 · Nov 20, 2019

wazzu31 said:
How are they bad comparisons? No one wanted Verlander because of his contract either. Detroit did what Seattle should do with Seaver’s and eat most of the contract. A team will gladly take on a player of Seagers caliber if they are only paying $2 million a year for him. It’s just getting ownership to eat the money.

Gordon may be gone but just putting a ball club together having Gordon is more valuable than Seager. Gordon can play a few different positions, can pinch run or pinch hit in a bunting situation. Plus from all accounts Dee is great with younger players, not saying Seager isn’t but you don’t have players around the league raving about how great Seager was to them.

I could be wrong on this but according to Baseball-Reference, the Tigers only ate $16m of Verlander's contract. I also just believe that Verlander was a much more valuable addition than Seager would be unless he continues playing like he did in the second half of 2019. I do definitely agree that a team will take on Seager if the club ate a huge portion of his contract, but I don't think that's very likely.

I'm biased when it comes to Gordon because I like him a lot, but the league has shifted away from players of his type. I do agree that he would be an amazing addition as a utility guy.

mcnabb7542 · Nov 20, 2019

Okay I got one for you what if they bring back a former baby Mariner, Pineda?

seahawksfan234 · Nov 20, 2019

mcnabb7542 said:
Okay I got one for you what if they bring back a former baby Mariner, Pineda?

I'd actually be in favor of it since he might not command a big contract and we need some arms for the rotation. I think I saw a projection that he'd be looking at a two year contract which would be good for us on a prove-it deal.

seahawksfan234 · Nov 20, 2019

Interesting read here for those of you who have The Athletic:

A Mitch Haniger trade: Here's a proposal that fits needs of...

If you don't or don't want to read the entire article - it's a back and forth between the Mariners Athletic writer and the Indians writer - the proposal would be the following:

Mariners send:
- Mitch Haniger
- Dee Gordon
- Ray Kerr
- Cash considerations

Mariners receive:
- Aaron Civale
- Eli Morgan
- Yu Chang

I like the proposals proposed by Lookout Landing more, but I think this is more realistic considering this article was the equivalent of two beat writers playing GM and trying to do what's best for the teams they write for.

mcnabb7542 · Nov 20, 2019

seahawksfan234 said:
Interesting read here for those of you who have The Athletic:

A Mitch Haniger trade: Here's a proposal that fits needs of...

If you don't or don't want to read the entire article - it's a back and forth between the Mariners Athletic writer and the Indians writer - the proposal would be the following:

Mariners send:
- Mitch Haniger
- Dee Gordon
- Ray Kerr
- Cash considerations

Mariners receive:
- Aaron Civale
- Eli Morgan
- Yu Chang

I like the proposals proposed by Lookout Landing more, but I think this is more realistic considering this article was the equivalent of two beat writers playing GM and trying to do what's best for the teams they write for.

Civale could be the bottom of the rotation, Morgan hasn't seen the bigs and could fall into the class of 2021.

I don't know it seems to be a winner for the Indians..

NWinAZ · Nov 20, 2019

seahawksfan234 said:
Interesting read here for those of you who have The Athletic:

A Mitch Haniger trade: Here's a proposal that fits needs of...

If you don't or don't want to read the entire article - it's a back and forth between the Mariners Athletic writer and the Indians writer - the proposal would be the following:

Mariners send:
- Mitch Haniger
- Dee Gordon
- Ray Kerr
- Cash considerations

Mariners receive:
- Aaron Civale
- Eli Morgan
- Yu Chang

I like the proposals proposed by Lookout Landing more, but I think this is more realistic considering this article was the equivalent of two beat writers playing GM and trying to do what's best for the teams they write for.

Pass for me. Big hall or keep him and this to me is not a big hall. Losing Gordon's salary for one year isn't a huge savings especially for a team not looking to add much this year.

ulmax · Nov 21, 2019

mcnabb7542 said:
Okay I got one for you what if they bring back a former baby Mariner, Pineda?

Im totally ok..
With pineda..
As long as there is no draft pick
Compansation
I even think
He could work..as a long term.
Middle of order guy..
And then
When gilbert and kerby make it up..then be the 5 starter..
So..
Yes..

SeattleCoug · Nov 21, 2019

I also think shedding a year of Gordon salary is not worth selling low on Haniger

SeattleCoug · Nov 21, 2019

mcnabb7542 said:
Okay I got one for you what if they bring back a former baby Mariner, Pineda?

yeah thats fine with me. Could be a stopgap for a year or two until one of the younger guys is ready

ulmax · Nov 21, 2019

SeattleCoug said:
yeah thats fine with me. Could be a stopgap for a year or two until one of the younger guys is ready

Any starting pitching acquired
At this time
,....................................
May have to do without a no trade clause...
......................................
But pinada is like a Rhed santana (yankees)

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