Kaepernick to workout for teams

Robotech · Nov 19, 2019

Guns N Guitars said:
I disagree, there are many NFL QB's a lot worse than Tebow. He led the Broncos to a playoff win which is more than many others can claim.

You and Megalodon should start a "Tebow is a Playoff Caliber QB" thread.

Did his team win a playoff game while he was QB? Yes.
Is he the worst QB to ever win a playoff game? Yes.

ATL96Steeler · Nov 19, 2019

Guns N Guitars said:
I disagree, there are many NFL QB's a lot worse than Tebow. He led the Broncos to a playoff win which is more than many others can claim.

IDK about a lot. Tebow had terrible mechanics. Stared down targets, but like you said...to his credit, he has an NFL playoff win to his credit.

LeBeau/Tomlin stubbornly kept feeding him the easiest DEF to read because they were afraid of him beating them with his legs....they ran a single high safety all game, and Tebow completed like 10 passes, but 2 went for 6 and that was enough.

steelerssb · Nov 19, 2019

TJ Yates won a playoff game.

Stop the Yates collusion.

ATL96Steeler · Nov 19, 2019

Robotech said:
NFL wanted a waiver that could be construed very broadly, while Kaepernick wanted one that was specifically only for any injury, including death, that occurred during the workout.

There is language in the NFL's proposed waiver, such as "any and all" and "directly or indirectly" with regard to rights, potential claims, and actions, that could be construed to cover every possible claim, not just a claim based on an injury during the workout.

If I were the NFL's attorney, I would advise them the same way because they have a monopoly and Kaep is so unpopular that most everyone will take our side anyway. Also, it's probable that a judge would give our waiver a narrow interpretation, but why not try anyway in case a judge does give it a broad interpretation?

If I were Kaepernick's attorney, I probably advise him the same way, too, because he is very likely not going to get an NFL job anyway, so why potentially waive all of your rights?

I think the reality is, they both had an agenda...but if he truly wanted to play in the league again, his rep should understand, 32 guys run the show, it's their ball, their court, their rules.

DefCONNOne · Nov 19, 2019

tnapucco said:
If he was good enough he'd be on a roster. Period.

Comma, Exclamation Point! Question Mark? Colon: Semi-Colon;

SteelersPride · Nov 19, 2019

DefCONNOne said:
Comma, Exclamation Point! Question Mark? Colon: Semi-Colon;

Hank Kingsley · Nov 19, 2019

ATL96Steeler said:
I think the reality is, they both had an agenda...

Ed Zachary.

Big deal made out of sweet fuck all.

Too bad though. Both sides potentially had a win if this worked somehow.

bksballer89 · Nov 19, 2019

Hard to defend Kaep anymore

SteelersPride · Nov 19, 2019

bksballer89 said:
Hard to defend Kaep anymore

we have faith in you.

bksballer89 · Nov 19, 2019

SteelersPride said:
we have faith in you.

thanks

Rock Strongo · Nov 20, 2019

fordman84 · Nov 20, 2019

Rock Strongo said:

Fake, his girlfriend would never allow that.

sonnyblack65 · Nov 20, 2019

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones believes Colin Kaepernick workout was a circus: 'I think it's unfortunate'

Fred_Delosantos · Nov 22, 2019

so now, 2 teams are looking at Kaepernick with some interest. speculation is one of the teams is the panthers.

Two NFL teams interested in Colin Kaepernick, attorney claims

SteelersPride · Nov 22, 2019

Fred_Delosantos said:
so now, 2 teams are looking at Kaepernick with some interest. speculation is one of the teams is the panthers.

Two NFL teams interested in Colin Kaepernick, attorney claims

lol speculation from "no one" and the other team no one knows........right

wazzu31 · Nov 23, 2019

ATL96Steeler said:
I think the reality is, they both had an agenda...but if he truly wanted to play in the league again, his rep should understand, 32 guys run the show, it's their ball, their court, their rules.

No shit, if an employer gives you a second interview you don’t tell that employer when and when to meet you when you offer them nothing but PR. Kaep was backup quality his last year. Somehow taking three years off and he thinks he gained skills?

Pure Steel · Nov 23, 2019

wazzu31 said:
No shit, if an employer gives you a second interview you don’t tell that employer when and when to meet you when you offer them nothing but PR. Kaep was backup quality his last year. Somehow taking three years off and he thinks he gained skills?

Kap is like a fine wine.....aging like Fred Sanford’s Champipple.....

Robotech · Nov 23, 2019

wazzu31 said:
No shit, if an employer gives you a second interview you don’t tell that employer when and when to meet you when you offer them nothing but PR. Kaep was backup quality his last year. Somehow taking three years off and he thinks he gained skills?

I don't understand what you mean by mentioning a second interview.

Basically, he is giving a higher value to his potential rights to sue the NFL again over whatever benefit he could've gotten by doing the NFL workout. He potentially could've waived all of his legal rights in the waiver that the NFL presented to him. Kaep was willing to waive any legal claims based on physical injury or death, but the NFL wanted the broadest waiver language possible (which was a smart move by the NFL). The NFL's waiver language could be interpreted to go beyond claims based on physical injury.

He hasn't had a job in the NFL for 3 years, it seems very unlikely he ever will again, and the NFL workout looked very questionable from the beginning. He probably made the right call that the NFL workout wasn't worth it, as he wasn't going to get a job no matter what.

HaroldSeattle · Nov 23, 2019

Robotech said:
I don't understand what you mean by mentioning a second interview.

Basically, he is giving a higher value to his potential rights to sue the NFL again over whatever benefit he could've gotten by doing the NFL workout. He potentially could've waived all of his legal rights in the waiver that the NFL presented to him. Kaep was willing to waive any legal claims based on physical injury or death, but the NFL wanted the broadest waiver language possible (which was a smart move by the NFL). The NFL's waiver language could be interpreted to go beyond claims based on physical injury.

He hasn't had a job in the NFL for 3 years, it seems very unlikely he ever will again, and the NFL workout looked very questionable from the beginning. He probably made the right call that the NFL workout wasn't worth it, as he wasn't going to get a job no matter what.

The waiver is what Kaep is saying is the problem, but I think the second issue was the real problem. Having his (Nike) own recording of the workout.
Agree that it is unlikely he lands with a team. So making another Nike Ad is where his potential gain is. Course he doesn't want to publicly state that, as it shows it's about making $. Thus the red herring about the waiver. I don't think he's planning another lawsuit and of course the NFL isn't holding this workout to invite another lawsuit. It was brought up simply because the real issue isn't something Kaep camp wants to be talked about and another reason needed to be found.

Robotech · Nov 23, 2019

HaroldSeattle said:
The waiver is what Kaep is saying is the problem, but I think the second issue was the real problem. Having his (Nike) own recording of the workout.
Agree that it is unlikely he lands with a team. So making another Nike Ad is where his potential gain is. Course he doesn't want to publicly state that, as it shows it's about making $. Thus the red herring about the waiver. I don't think he's planning another lawsuit and of course the NFL isn't holding this workout to invite another lawsuit. It was brought up simply because the real issue isn't something Kaep camp wants to be talked about and another reason needed to be found.

I think the waiver was the main issue. I don't think another lawsuit is likely either, but the chance of him getting money in a lawsuit is greater than the chance of him playing another down in the NFL, so not signing that waiver makes sense for him.

He could make a Nike ad anywhere. Nike also made a statement that they didn't have a camera crew in Atlanta for Kaep's workout. I think this does conflict with what the NFL said, so it's up to us to decide who to believe.

I read that there were disputes about bringing his own receivers, whether it was open to the media, having his own camera crew so that he has his own video of the workout, and maybe other disputes, too. I think the NFL conceded on the receivers issue. I'm not sure about the other issues, though it seemed like the parties had agreed or were close to agreeing on reasonable solutions (such as having Kaep's agent sit with the NFL video crew during editing), but I would need to read more to know for sure where the parties ended up on those isssues.

Nevertheless, the bottom line is without a signed waiver, there is no workout.

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