Thursday Night Football: STEELERS/BROWNS

Shanemansj13 · Nov 15, 2019

And of course Mason says nothing in the postgame about what he did as well...he absolutely started this thing by ripping Garrett’s helmet off. Classic Steeler...scUM

he probably will get fined which says a lot about this league. Protect QB’s under every circumstance.

DutchBird · Nov 15, 2019

Guns N Guitars said:
Garrett should be suspended for the rest of the season.

And I have not seen anyone saying otherwise....

Mebert · Nov 15, 2019

ATL96Steeler said:
Are you serious?

Cheap or not cheap...a block is a football play.

Of course I am not serious.

Shanemansj13 · Nov 15, 2019

Trudem said:
I am not saying Rudolph is blameless in this. Garrett cannot lose his shit like that. His actions went above and beyond any actions taken by that point.

everyone realizes that already. Myles’ act will take a major suspension. Mason needs to be suspended as well, at least one game.

Superbelt · Nov 15, 2019

I figure the minimum suspension for any player here is 2 games, to make sure they miss the rematch.

ATL96Steeler · Nov 15, 2019

PIBuckeye said:
What if Garrett takes full responsibility for what he did, has a meeting with Mason, they talk, Garrett apologizes and the they bury the hatchet between them?............. many here act like this isn't possible.

Yes, even this can be forgiven. many are going overboard...................... just like the media wants them to........

Not the way this played out...the players involved can all play nice now, but the league will step in and lay the wood to Garrett, Pouncey, and Ogunjobi.

ducky · Nov 15, 2019

PIBuckeye said:
next year? cheese and rice. let's just give him the electric chair. my God.

Browns have played 10 games this year now. I am not sure that only 6 games is fitting for what he did. 8-10 seems more fitting.

He ripped off a players helmet. Got separated briefly from the player. Then forcibly tried to strike the other player with the helmet in his unprotected head after they came together again.

That shit is next level bad. Garrett didn't just cross a line. He got in a car drove over the line, ran out of gas, jumped out of the car and continued sprinting away from the line.

He actually is quite lucky he didn't make real contact. Couple inches this way or that way and it is not out of the question that Garrett would have been looking at some really serious jail time and his NFL career being effectively over. He's lucky that when it comes to assault that the law takes into account the damage inflicted more than the intent to do damage.

DutchBird · Nov 15, 2019

ATL96Steeler said:
The QB was right to be pissed when you think about the big picture Dutch...it was a bang-bang play either way you look at it...the bigger point here is at that point in the game there was no reason to even tackle him. He saw the ball being released.

ABSOLUTE BS.... there was no reason for Rudolph being in the game at that point, and these kinds of plays being called. The Steelers decided, with a game clearly lost - to turn this in a normal play, to which normal rules applied. And Garrett did the exact normal thing you see dozens if not hundreds of times on a given Sunday on regular plays. What made the result different was Rudolph deciding he needed to rip off Garrett's helmet.

Mebert · Nov 15, 2019

*yawn* call me when Garrett can backwards ninja roll genital kick a qb.

GNG · Nov 15, 2019

DutchBird said:
ABSOLUTE BS.... there was no reason for Rudolph being in the game at that point, and these kinds of plays being called. The Steelers decided, with a game clearly lost - to turn this in a normal play, to which normal rules applied. And Garrett did the exact normal thing you see dozens if not hundreds of times on a given Sunday on regular plays. What made the result different was Rudolph deciding he needed to rip off Garrett's helmet.

Why defend the indefensible?

DutchBird · Nov 15, 2019

Trudem said:
I am not saying Rudolph is blameless in this. Garrett cannot lose his shit like that. His actions went above and beyond any actions taken by that point.

So if your opponent decides to rip off your helmet, using TWO hands and clearly twists the neck around (clearly visible on replay) you should not lose your shit? When you are being pushed away by a team-mate (who physically engages you, BTW) and said opponent actually charges you, you should again do nothing?

But apparently it is completely fine when you are completely legally tackled to lose your shit and violently try to rip off the helmet of your opponent (and seriously twisting his neck in the process). The one who clearly lost the plot first is Rudolph. And Rudolph lost it for absolutely no good reason (other than his O-line failing miserably all game long). Garrett lost it for a legitimate reason.

GNG · Nov 15, 2019

ducky said:
Browns have played 10 games this year now. I am not sure that only 6 games is fitting for what he did. 8-10 seems more fitting.

He ripped off a players helmet. Got separated briefly from the player. Then forcibly tried to strike the other player with the helmet in his unprotected head after they came together again.

That shit is next level bad. Garrett didn't just cross a line. He got in a car drove over the line, ran out of gas, jumped out of the car and continued sprinting away from the line.

He actually is quite lucky he didn't make real contact. Couple inches this way or that way and it is not out of the question that Garrett would have been looking at some really serious jail time and his NFL career being effectively over. He's lucky that when it comes to assault that the law takes into account the damage inflicted more than the intent to do damage.

Garrett set a poor example for young people.

Superbelt · Nov 15, 2019

DutchBird said:
So if your opponent decides to rip off your helmet, using TWO hands and clearly twists the neck around (clearly visible on replay) you should not lose your shit? When you are being pushed away by a team-mate (who physically engages you, BTW) and said opponent actually charges you, you should again do nothing?

But apparently it is completely fine when you are completely legally tackled to lose your shit and violently try to rip off the helmet of your opponent (and seriously twisting his neck in the process). The one who clearly lost the plot first is Rudolph. And Rudolph lost it for absolutely no good reason (other than his O-line failing miserably all game long). Garrett lost it for a legitimate reason.

I'll readily admit mason is a douchebag.

@1:25 start it.

Watch the video and watch Garrett's tackle. It was way late, and he's doing wrestling moves twisting him around, and got on top of him, continuing to wrestle him. mason retaliated, and he was wrong for that. But Garrett was giving him the business well after the (late) tackle was over.

PIBuckeye · Nov 15, 2019

ducky said:
Browns have played 10 games this year now. I am not sure that only 6 games is fitting for what he did. 8-10 seems more fitting.

He ripped off a players helmet. Got separated briefly from the player. Then forcibly tried to strike the other player with the helmet in his unprotected head after they came together again.

That shit is next level bad. Garrett didn't just cross a line. He got in a car drove over the line, ran out of gas, jumped out of the car and continued sprinting away from the line.

He actually is quite lucky he didn't make real contact. Couple inches this way or that way and it is not out of the question that Garrett would have been looking at some really serious jail time and his NFL career being effectively over. He's lucky that when it comes to assault that the law takes into account the damage inflicted more than the intent to do damage.

I think you have your blinders on for part of your story. When Garrett was being separated quickly by other players by about 10-15 yards from where the tackle happened. Mason got up and ran over to continue to instigate Garrett...... he should not have gone back over to him talking shit.

Mason clearly said some very derogatory things to Garrett AND tried to rip his helmet off. I'd love for Garrett to come out and tell us all what was said to him...........

Like someone else said, mason, lit the wick of Garrett.

ATL96Steeler · Nov 15, 2019

Shanemansj13 said:
even if you get tackled late (which happens a lot in this league) that is no reason to rip someone elses helmet off. Sorry excuse. Garrett’s act is unforgivable but everybody is acting like Mason is innocent. Completely false. He has no right to rip a players’ helmet off if he is tackled late lol.

Garrett is an idiot but throughout all the years of the Steers being one of the dirtiest organizations in football...I think the Browns had 30 years of pent up energy and hatred.

either way Kitchens needs to go. I dont like this team. I dont want the Browns reputation to be like the Steelers

QBs do get tackled late, but not at the fucking end of the game...if that happened earlier in the game Rudolph gets back up and goes the huddle just like he did with the previous QB hits. Should Rudolph get a fine? Yeah, he probably should, but looking at the big picture of where the game was at that time, I understand why he reacted like he did.

Feel free to hate the Steelers, you have good reason being at the brunt of some many loses...but his response to what Rudolph did was not part of football. Anyone condoning that at any level you may as well be watching WWE.

DutchBird · Nov 15, 2019

Guns N Guitars said:
Why defend the indefensible?

You are absolutely hopeless....

ATLSteeler says that - as the game was over - Garrett should not have completed the tackle as at this point of the game the play was meaningless anyway. And he says the ball was clearly out. Well, first of all, the ball was not clearly out; to suggest that Garrett should have known the ball was out and could/should have stopped is clearly absolute BS, as pointed out by the video evidence.

If you decide to run a 'normal' play on offense - so not a kneel-down - you should expect the defense to consider it a normal play as well, and play accordingly. Which is what the Browns defense and Garrett did. The first abnormal thing was Rudolph grabbing Garrett's helmet with two hands in a violent attempt to rip it off, twisting Garrett's neck in the process.

GNG · Nov 15, 2019

DutchBird said:
You are absolutely hopeless....

ATLSteeler says that - as the game was over - Garrett should not have completed the tackle as at this point of the game the play was meaningless anyway. And he says the ball was clearly out. Well, first of all, the ball was not clearly out; to suggest that Garrett should have known the ball was out and could/should have stopped is clearly absolute BS, as pointed out by the video evidence.

If you decide to run a 'normal' play on offense - so not a kneel-down - you should expect the defense to consider it a normal play as well, and play accordingly. Which is what the Browns defense and Garrett did. The first abnormal thing was Rudolph grabbing Garrett's helmet with two hands in a violent attempt to rip it off, twisting Garrett's neck in the process.

You are an idiot.

Stakesarehigh · Nov 15, 2019

ducky said:
Browns have played 10 games this year now. I am not sure that only 6 games is fitting for what he did. 8-10 seems more fitting.

He ripped off a players helmet. Got separated briefly from the player. Then forcibly tried to strike the other player with the helmet in his unprotected head after they came together again.

That shit is next level bad. Garrett didn't just cross a line. He got in a car drove over the line, ran out of gas, jumped out of the car and continued sprinting away from the line.

He actually is quite lucky he didn't make real contact. Couple inches this way or that way and it is not out of the question that Garrett would have been looking at some really serious jail time and his NFL career being effectively over. He's lucky that when it comes to assault that the law takes into account the damage inflicted more than the intent to do damage.

Six would be historic in length other than Vontez as is

Wazmankg · Nov 15, 2019

ducky said:
Browns have played 10 games this year now. I am not sure that only 6 games is fitting for what he did. 8-10 seems more fitting.

He ripped off a players helmet. Got separated briefly from the player. Then forcibly tried to strike the other player with the helmet in his unprotected head after they came together again.

That shit is next level bad. Garrett didn't just cross a line. He got in a car drove over the line, ran out of gas, jumped out of the car and continued sprinting away from the line.

He actually is quite lucky he didn't make real contact. Couple inches this way or that way and it is not out of the question that Garrett would have been looking at some really serious jail time and his NFL career being effectively over. He's lucky that when it comes to assault that the law takes into account the damage inflicted more than the intent to do damage.

This ^ Nothing happend that we haven't seen 100 times before until Garrett ripped the helmet off and hit Rudolph with it. Rudolph should get nothing imo.

cowboycolors · Nov 15, 2019

Garrett Pouncy Rudolph Ogunjobi all need and will be fined suspensions will vary in length
Fines need to huge
I would suspend
Garrett 12 games multi million dollar fine
Pouncey 8 games 4 million dollar fine
Rudolph 1 game + 1 game check in addition to the ck lost
Ogunjobi 2 games + 2 game checks in addition to the game ck lost
New rule about fighting that makes things automatic for fines and suspensions

JMHO

Mebert · Nov 15, 2019

Superbelt said:
I'll readily admit mason is a douchebag.

@1:25 start it.

Watch the video and watch Garrett's tackle. It was way late, and he's doing wrestling moves twisting him around, and got on top of him, continuing to wrestle him. mason retaliated, and he was wrong for that. But Garrett was giving him the business well after the (late) tackle was over.

I am still confused how correctly pointing out Garrett started the whole thing is somehow saying Rudolph is innocent.

Most people freely admit Rudolph escalated it all. Garrett just started and absolutely finished it.

ATL96Steeler · Nov 15, 2019

DutchBird said:
And Rudolph is - as pointed out by video evidence - clearly wrong. The ball was NOT clearly out, in fact, Garret has already initiated contact BEFORE Rudolph loses touch with the ball. So the argument 'the ball was out' is absolute BS. As Sterratore and Pereira (IIRC) have stated on a few occasions, roughing the passer (late hit version) basically comes down to how many steps the defender had to take to initiate contact, with the line being drawn roughly at 1,5-2 steps. Garret does not even have to take one step before hanging off Rudolph.... Every single game there are dozens of hits on the QB after the ball are out that are harder and clearly later than what Garret did to Rudolph.

Grinding on the wrong detail.

It was a bang bang play so I will back off saying "clearly" anything. Whether he released the ball before contact or not is not really worth debating imo.

What is not debatable...the defender knew the ball was gone when he had him in the grasp...at that point in the game there was no need to take the QB to the ground...that's what the QB was responding to...should he have responded the way he did? No, but in the context of where the game was at that time I understand the reaction from the QB.

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