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Shut up stupid.

Notre Dame is not surrounded by talent.
Oklahoma is not surrounded by talent.
Dabo Swinney did not inherit a blueblood with a roster rich in talent.

Ohio St, LSU, Notre Dame, and others offer Nebraska players.
Noah Fant (Omaha) was a NFL first rounder.

You're just rationalizing for what has been a mediocre coach.
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Notre Dame’s last national title was 30 years ago. They are in the same boat. They will be in the top 15-20 because of their brand, but will never compete with the top dogs year in and year out.

Oklahoma borders one of the most talent rich states in the US. Hell, their last 3 QB have all come from the state of Texas.

Michigan borders a state where they only have one P5 program and they are born and raised OSU fans. The other states we border lack elite talent.

Nebraska has nothing going for them. They have no talent in state and no state bordering them with elite talent.

You can continue to say it is an excuse, as Minnesota beats you 30. But the fact is — teams like UM, ND, Nebraska — blue bloods without the built in influx of recruits from their home state — it is an uphill battle trying to compete when you rely on recruiting nationally.
 

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Notre Dame’s last national title was 30 years ago. They are in the same boat. They will be in the top 15-20 because of their brand, but will never compete with the top dogs year in and year out.

Oklahoma borders one of the most talent rich states in the US. Hell, their last 3 QB have all come from the state of Texas.

Michigan borders a state where they only have one P5 program and they are born and raised OSU fans. The other states we border lack elite talent.

Nebraska has nothing going for them. They have no talent in state and no state bordering them with elite talent.

You can continue to say it is an excuse, as Minnesota beats you 30. But the fact is — teams like UM, ND, Nebraska — blue bloods without the built in influx of recruits from their home state — it is an uphill battle trying to compete when you rely on recruiting nationally.

You're a fucking narrow minded dipshit.

Oklahoma's roster has 35 players from Oklahoma.

Their roster has 7 players from California, 4 players from Louisiana, 6 players from Florida, 2 players from Georgia, 2 players from Tennessee, 3 players from Missouri, 1 player from Arizona, 2 players from Washington D.C., 2 players from Arkansas, 3 players from North Carolina, 3 players from Ohio, 1 player from Nevada, 1 player from the Bahamas, 1 player from Virginia, 1 player from Illinois, 1 player from Ontario Canada, and 1 player from Kansas.

76 players NOT from the state of Texas.
44 players from Texas

i.e Texas is only 36% of their roster.

Your shit is nothing more than rationalization for a mediocre coach.

How many Alabama players are actually fro the state of Alabama?

I've got news for you Schembeckler and Carr were also mediocre coaches. One needs to simply look at Michigan's records those years to determine they were not Elite coaches. They never had dynasties.

50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's 2000's eras. Michigan was mediocre far more often then not.

Throughout the past 6 DECADES, Michigan has had a population 5 TIMES the population of Nebraska, and 3 TIMES the population of Oklahoma. Yet Nebraska and Oklahoma have a combined 9 National Titles compared to Michigan's half of a National title.

Stop trying to rationalize and spill your mediocre onto others. Nebraska being down is low hanging fruit and a distraction.

If the state of Ohio is sooo rich, why are they offering Nebraska kids? If the state of Louisiana is sooo rich, why are they offering Nebraska kids?

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BTW

Notre Dame was (12-0) and in the CFP just last season.
They were (12-0) and played in a BCS NC game in 2012.

Indiana has a population of 6.5 million
Michigan has a population of 10 million

Where has Michigan been for the past 60 years other than in 1997?

Mediocre is the answer....
 

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Notre Dame’s last national title was 30 years ago. They are in the same boat. They will be in the top 15-20 because of their brand, but will never compete with the top dogs year in and year out.

Oklahoma borders one of the most talent rich states in the US. Hell, their last 3 QB have all come from the state of Texas.

Michigan borders a state where they only have one P5 program and they are born and raised OSU fans. The other states we border lack elite talent.

Nebraska has nothing going for them. They have no talent in state and no state bordering them with elite talent.

You can continue to say it is an excuse, as Minnesota beats you 30. But the fact is — teams like UM, ND, Nebraska — blue bloods without the built in influx of recruits from their home state — it is an uphill battle trying to compete when you rely on recruiting nationally.

Michigan has no talent because only women and fags live there.
 

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I agree. With all the success that RichRod has had since leaving WVU, I'm surprised he isn't a head coach right now! (sarcasm):suds:

Michigan is a blue blood program, and will likely be one for a LONG time. College football is all about the head coach (recruiting and then then successfully teaching those recruits). Just about every program rises and falls with head coaching. The one exception of the top of my head has been Ohio State. They have had no problems transitioning when great head coaches leave the past 20 years or so.

If Harbaugh ever gets it together, or if Michigan is able to find a good head coach, they will be back to elite status. The blue bloods always will be on the cusp of having a great program, but will fail until they have a great coach. (by fail, I mean, they won't be national title contenders...but often still win 9-10 games a year).

Rich Rod, Hoke, and it's now looking more like Harbaugh were unable to get them over the hump. Harbaugh still has an outside chance of turning them into a playoff team in the future, but he has to do a better job coaching the talent. They seem to always have great talent on paper, but it just doesn't translate into wins in big games. If I had to make a prediction, I don't see Harbaugh sticking around much longer. I think he is headed to the NFL soon. I'm one of the rare Michigan fans that wouldn't mind him sticking around another year or two, but I wouldn't be too upset if he left after this season.

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One viewpoint I have being a Michigan fan is that the team isn't a national title contender and hasn't been since the year they had the great close game against the Buckeyes (2006 I think). They were ranked #1 and #2. The Wolverines have had some good seasons.

The other viewpoint I have is at least Michigan hasn't carved the same path as Virginia Tech, Florida State, Southern Cal, and Florida (a few years ago). The path I am referring to is barely above 0.500 and missing bowl games, etc.

Now, I fear the Michigan program going in the direction of the second viewpoint I listed
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That's not gonna happen under Harbaugh. I doubt they'll ever be elite under Harbaugh, but he'll win his 8, 9, 10 games like Bo Pelini did at Nebraska.
Actually Bo Pelini never won LESS THAN 9 at Nebraska. Unlike Harbaugh's 8 win season in year 3 at Michigan.
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Notre Dame’s last national title was 30 years ago. They are in the same boat. They will be in the top 15-20 because of their brand, but will never compete with the top dogs year in and year out.

Oklahoma borders one of the most talent rich states in the US. Hell, their last 3 QB have all come from the state of Texas.

Michigan borders a state where they only have one P5 program and they are born and raised OSU fans. The other states we border lack elite talent.

Nebraska has nothing going for them. They have no talent in state and no state bordering them with elite talent.

You can continue to say it is an excuse, as Minnesota beats you 30. But the fact is — teams like UM, ND, Nebraska — blue bloods without the built in influx of recruits from their home state — it is an uphill battle trying to compete when you rely on recruiting nationally.
Last I checked Michigan State resides in the same state as Michigan and has been able to 3 top 6 finishes, win 3 B1G titles, 3 Division titles and make the playoffs in the last decade using talent that Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and all of the SEC teams don’t want... what’s Michigan’s excuse again?
 

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Who is Michigan going to get? Harbaugh is winning 9-10 games a year. The issue is that he can't recruit a good QB. If he had gotten Jalen Hurts or someone good, Michigan would be unbeaten right now.
 

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You're a fucking narrow minded dipshit.

Oklahoma's roster has 35 players from Oklahoma.

Their roster has 7 players from California, 4 players from Louisiana, 6 players from Florida, 2 players from Georgia, 2 players from Tennessee, 3 players from Missouri, 1 player from Arizona, 2 players from Washington D.C., 2 players from Arkansas, 3 players from North Carolina, 3 players from Ohio, 1 player from Nevada, 1 player from the Bahamas, 1 player from Virginia, 1 player from Illinois, 1 player from Ontario Canada, and 1 player from Kansas.

76 players NOT from the state of Texas.
44 players from Texas

i.e Texas is only 36% of their roster.

Your shit is nothing more than rationalization for a mediocre coach.

How many Alabama players are actually fro the state of Alabama?

I've got news for you Schembeckler and Carr were also mediocre coaches. One needs to simply look at Michigan's records those years to determine they were not Elite coaches. They never had dynasties.

50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's 2000's eras. Michigan was mediocre far more often then not.

Throughout the past 6 DECADES, Michigan has had a population 5 TIMES the population of Nebraska, and 3 TIMES the population of Oklahoma. Yet Nebraska and Oklahoma have a combined 9 National Titles compared to Michigan's half of a National title.

Stop trying to rationalize and spill your mediocre onto others. Nebraska being down is low hanging fruit and a distraction.

If the state of Ohio is sooo rich, why are they offering Nebraska kids? If the state of Louisiana is sooo rich, why are they offering Nebraska kids?

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You can say what you like — but it is the truth. CFB is nothing like it was in the 80’s and 90’s. Schools are spending millions and millions on recruiting because those who collect the most talent wins.

The days of having a big line and running it down the throat of the other team is a thing of the past. Hell — even Alabama, the one school who could get away with playing like that, as they would have an entire defense of 5 star recruits, has went to a spread offense.

And stop talking about decades ago — it isn’t the 80’s and 90’s anymore. Nebraska isn’t going to overwhelm anyone with speed and athleticism, neither will UM, neither will ND, etc. because the top programs have more speed and more athleticism.

And ask ND how they fared against the elite programs when they snuck in? Ask MSU when they got in and faced one of the truly elite programs how they fared? Hell — OSU is the only elite program in the B1G and they were beat by 30+ points last time they got in.

The Midwest doesn’t have the type of players the schools down south have and while others may win a battle here and there for top recruits in the south, but it is an uphill battle and schools like UM, ND and Nebraska are all dealing with it.

so you can keep your pipe dream of it being Pelini’s fault and Nebraska will be a national power again, but that is all it is......a pipe dream.

I will just be happy if UM wins the B1G some time in the next decade.
 

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Last I checked Michigan State resides in the same state as Michigan and has been able to 3 top 6 finishes, win 3 B1G titles, 3 Division titles and make the playoffs in the last decade using talent that Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and all of the SEC teams don’t want... what’s Michigan’s excuse again?

@TrustMeIamRight is simply rationalizing for, and distracting from, mediocre coaching.

We've been through this a number of times with him. Michigan's recruiting rankings have been shoved in his face dozens of times. He shuts the fuck up for a while and comes back a few months later with the same mantra.

A couple years ago we bantered for pages and pages when I told him the week of Penn St that Michigan's top ranked defense was nothing but a paper tiger. Penn St kicked their fucking teeth in.
This year I told him same before the Wisconsin game, we argued for pages and told him I'm NEVER wrong about Michigan. Once again Michigan got their fucking teeth kicked in, by a team not even remotely close in recruiting rankings. Just a better developed/better coached team.

His dumbass handle should be TrustMeImWrong
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Who is Michigan going to get? Harbaugh is winning 9-10 games a year. The issue is that he can't recruit a good QB. If he had gotten Jalen Hurts or someone good, Michigan would be unbeaten right now.

Michigan's problems are bigger than a QB.

It's the Bo Pelini factor.

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You can say what you like — but it is the truth. CFB is nothing like it was in the 80’s and 90’s. Schools are spending millions and millions on recruiting because those who collect the most talent wins.

The days of having a big line and running it down the throat of the other team is a thing of the past. Hell — even Alabama, the one school who could get away with playing like that, as they would have an entire defense of 5 star recruits, has went to a spread offense.

And stop talking about decades ago — it isn’t the 80’s and 90’s anymore. Nebraska isn’t going to overwhelm anyone with speed and athleticism, neither will UM, neither will ND, etc. because the top programs have more speed and more athleticism.

And ask ND how they fared against the elite programs when they snuck in? Ask MSU when they got in and faced one of the truly elite programs how they fared? Hell — OSU is the only elite program in the B1G and they were beat by 30+ points last time they got in.

The Midwest doesn’t have the type of players the schools down south have and while others may win a battle here and there for top recruits in the south, but it is an uphill battle and schools like UM, ND and Nebraska are all dealing with it.

so you can keep your pipe dream of it being Pelini’s fault and Nebraska will be a national power again, but that is all it is......a pipe dream.

I will just be happy if UM wins the B1G some time in the next decade.

I'll stop talking about the 90's when you stop talking about the 1920's, idiot.
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Harbaugh is the answer. The answer to Ohio State's dreams.
 

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Last I checked Michigan State resides in the same state as Michigan and has been able to 3 top 6 finishes, win 3 B1G titles, 3 Division titles and make the playoffs in the last decade using talent that Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and all of the SEC teams don’t want... what’s Michigan’s excuse again?

Yes and how did MSU do when they played in the CFP?

I think UM can compete to win a B1G every once in a while, but a national title is a pipe dream. I think they UM will be what they are — a top 15 type team.
 

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I'll stop talking about the 90's when you stop talking about the 1920's, idiot.
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The truth hurts — I understand. No reason for name calling and making stuff up though.
 

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After you fire Harbs who would you replace him with? Great coaches are hard to come by. Look at FSU, Tennessee, Miami, Texas, Nebraska, SoCal, etc. They were big time programs, a couple of them are even "bluebloods," and they are floundering in mediocrity or just straight suck. Is there a great coach out there that could take Michigan to the next level?

Pretty much this. I think Harbaugh would be fine if he handed the reigns over to a better OC. The style he's trying to run doesn't work in today's CFB.
 

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Yes and how did MSU do when they played in the CFP?

I think UM can compete to win a B1G every once in a while, but a national title is a pipe dream. I think they UM will be what they are — a top 15 type team.
I’d rather go to the playoffs and get blown out rather than never even being close to going. If you are okay with being a third tier team, that consistently wastes NFL talent due to poor coaching, who am I to argue.
 

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Pretty much this. I think Harbaugh would be fine if he handed the reigns over to a better OC. The style he's trying to run doesn't work in today's CFB.
They pretended they were going to do it with this “speed in space” thing but instead they hired a guy who had never called a play in his coaching career, never built an offense, and his employer at the time had no faith in his abilities and flat out told him he would never be their OC. The entire “interview” consisted of a 20 minute phone call.
 
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