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An explanation of the calls by the refs in the Packer/Lion's game

flyerhawk

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sure. if you are absolutely not sure.

but to try & come up with stretching is there a chance I might be wrong (from call on the field like if it is a court of law) That is bullshit.
Use Instant replay with common sense.
Fuck the refs feelings (or teams feelings for that matter)

I think what it boils down to is that overturning a call incorrectly is way worse than not properly overturning a call.
 

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I guess according to this it does not have to be hands to the face to be a penalty

NFL Refs Explain Controversial Calls Late in Lions’ Loss | Heavy.com

A pool report interview with NFL referee Clete Blakeman in the postgame shed some more light on the controversial calls, but the insights didn’t exactly do much to alleviate the frustrations. Here is Blakeman’s full response when asked what the crew discussed and saw on the calls:

“The umpire threw both of them. The last one was really the only one I’ve discussed with him. Basically, it’s for illegal use of hands, hands-to-the-face foul. To be a foul, we basically need some forceful contact that’s prolonged to the head and neck area of the defender. So, in his mind he had pinned him back, it was prolonged, and that’s what created the foul.”

NFL referee Clete Blakeman in Monday night’s referee pool report.

So in other words his explanation is even worse than the call.
 

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ARTICLE 3. ILLEGAL BLOCK BY OFFENSIVE PLAYER
It is a foul if an offensive blocker:

  1. Thrusts his hands forward above the frame of an opponent to forcibly contact him on the head, neck, or face; or
    Note: Contact in close-line play is not a foul, unless it is direct and forcible, or prolonged.
Penalty: For illegal use of hands by the offense: Loss of 10 yards.

  1. Blocks an opponent (from behind) in the back above the opponent’s waist, or uses his hands or arms to push an opponent from behind in a manner that affects his movement, except in close-line play.
    Note: The prohibition also applies to a player of the kicking team while the ball is in flight during a free kick or scrimmage kick.
The use of hands on the back is not a foul when:

  1. a player is making a personal attempt to recover a loose ball;
  2. the opponent turns away from the blocker when contact is imminent;
  3. both of the blocker’s hands are on the opponent’s side. (If either hand is on the back, it is a foul.)
ARTICLE 5. LEGAL USE OF HANDS OR ARMS BY DEFENSE
A defensive player may use his hands, arms, or body to push, pull, or ward off offensive players:

  1. when he is defending himself against an obstructing opponent while attempting to reach the runner;
  2. when an opponent is obviously attempting to block him;
  3. in a personal attempt to reach a loose ball that has touched the ground during a backward pass, fumble, or kick;
  4. during a forward pass that has crossed the neutral zone and has been touched by any player; and
    Exceptions:
    1. An eligible receiver is considered to be an obstructing opponent only to a point five yards beyond the line of scrimmage unless the player who receives the snap demonstrates no further intention to pass the ball. See 8-4-2, 8-4-3, and 8-4-7 for rules applicable to Illegal Contact with an eligible receiver.
    2. See 8-4-5 for rules applicable for an Illegal Cut Block against an eligible receiver.
  1. during a kick. See 6-2-1 and 9-1-4 for blocking restrictions during a kick.
 

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MLB has the sheer number of events in its favor.
In general, umps get 99%+ of the calls correct.
The rate of close 1st base calls is astonishingly accurate, too.
But, as you mentioned, it's one human focusing on one event at one locked location.

I can't wait for electronic balls/strikes, although it does take the pitch framing skill away from certain catchers.
Oh I get they get the vast majority of calls right. Just pointing out how easy it is. As you mentioned regarding the call at 1st....and add you can hear foot hit base and ball hit glove. Also very easy to get right on review.
 

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I can understand, these refs are way to good to miss so many obvious calls. It's ok if it's fixed lol still entertaining either way
who are they fixing it for or against? who wants it fixed?
 

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The average NFL play lasts less than 5 seconds. There are 22 players playing all at the same time all across the field. It is impossible to have the proper angle on every play.

Let's just look back fondly at the play that ultimately brought official review back to the NFL..

I wasn't aware that one brought back review but remember the play. Could slow it down anywhere you want and cannot tell if he made it or not IMO.
 

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but the problem with today's instant replay is most likely they say the play stands that was called on the field.
Even instant replay is pathetic right now.
Not sure why that makes it pathetic. No way to really tell on that way so how could you overturn it?
 

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no matter the game, no matter the team

it's bad game after game and has determined a lot of results

so NBA like
do you mind if I trim that down for my Haiku club?

No matter the teams
It is bad game after game
So NBA like
 

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I think what it boils down to is that overturning a call incorrectly is way worse than not properly overturning a call.
Well if Instant replay is paralyzed by this worry. What is the point. Just get rid of it then.

Rather have one bad call on instant replay than allow 9 bad calls not get overturned, because of this worry.
Because right now we would have 9 bad calls from refs & 9 bad calls on Instant replay (in this theory)

Its absolutely pathetic.
 

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Not sure why that makes it pathetic. No way to really tell on that way so how could you overturn it?
tons of plays should have been overturned this year that werent.
 

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I prefer that they err on not overturning calls.
Seems like that is happening more now than it had....pretty much a lock they are not overturning PI. Heard someone say this and it cracked me up. After coach throws his flag ref might as well say,
"(name of team) has decided they want to waste a TO."
 

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OK, but you weretalking about that specific play and no way it should have been overturned, no matter what the call was.
actually I am not talking of a specific play.
 

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Apologies...thought you were talking specifically about that play. Not a generic comment.
hard for me to keep up too, bouncing around on all the ref threads lately LOL
 

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I wasn't aware that one brought back review but remember the play. Could slow it down anywhere you want and cannot tell if he made it or not IMO.

Seriously? Watch 46 seconds into the video. There is zero question that the ball didn't cross the line.
 

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Plus the Lion fans are maybe forgetting the gift Aaron Jones gave them when there was nobody within 4 seconds of him and a pass right in his hands where he could have walked in the end zone keeping the Lion's lead intact
Aaron Jones dropping that TD pass, or the Lazard receiver slipping and having the ball go off his helmet for an INT are examples of Green Bay playing bad. The same way the Lions only scoring 3 points on each of the 3 Packers turnovers are examples of the Lions playing bad.

The point is that someone has to win the game and all mistakes factored in, the Lions had the lead and were playing better than the Packers. Doesn't mean they are the better team. But they were playing better than the Packers in that game. The officials swung things in the Packers favor with bad calls. That is a fact. That's why Lions fans are upset and they have a right to be.
 
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