What do we do about Kyle Seager?

PolarVortex · Aug 18, 2019

Since July 22nd:
22 games
80 ABs
17 runs
29 hits
14 extra base hits
9 homeruns
20 RBI
.363/.420/.775/1.195

wazzu31 · Aug 19, 2019

seahawksfan234 said:
Santana suffered that elbow injury or whatever and that could be part of the reason for his struggles.

I think the issue with Vogelbach is that he can't hit lefties and that maybe the league is starting to figure him out a bit.

Disagree with Vogelbach. Pitchers have figured him out. But to me, the book is easy on him. He is a poor mans Edgar where he sits on one pitch. If it’s not perfectly where he wants it he will take it, but difference with Edgar was he had much quicker hands and could hit with pop to all fields. Two things that will always hinder him and that is his whatever the word is for overly patient and his body frame. He cannot walk up to the plate looking for anything on the other side of the plate then turn on something inside. His frame makes his hitting window so freaking small.

wazzu31 · Aug 19, 2019

With Seager he always sucks so bad in April and then it clicks. Back to my optimism, is that he is driving the ball the other way. It may be fool’s gold but he is for the moment a lefty who can beat the shift, much like any lefty can if they are given the chance to face lefties or allowed to go against the new aged conventional wisdom and go the other way.

mcnabb7542 · Aug 19, 2019

Best headline I read today about Kyle “ he ain’t done just yet!”

For streak purposes I will still bitch about him but deep inside I really hope he keeps it going and stays here

Msfann · Aug 19, 2019

Even zunino, Ackley and Smoak had hit streaks sometimes. He'll go back to sucking soon.

PolarVortex · Aug 21, 2019

PolarVortex said:
Since July 22nd:
22 games
80 ABs
17 runs
29 hits
14 extra base hits
9 homeruns
20 RBI
.363/.420/.775/1.195

updated
since Juiy 22:
25 games
92 AB
20 runs
33 hits
17 extra base hits
11 HR
24 RBI
.359/.417/.793/1.209

PolarVortex · Aug 21, 2019

PolarVortex said:
updated
since Juiy 22:
25 games
92 AB
20 runs
33 hits
17 extra base hits
11 HR
24 RBI
.359/.417/.793/1.209

The deeper and deeper he gets into this streak, the less and less it looks like a fluke.

I want to believe but I know that as soon as I do, he will fall on his face. It's the Mariner way

seahawksfan234 · Aug 22, 2019

NWinAZ said:
Could be. His swing looks horrible and he is missing pitches by a foot. An elbow injury could easily do that.

Too damn patient. He limits himself to one swing 75% of his AB's. Get aggressive because we don't need his fat ass walking and clogging up the bases. That is my thought anyways.

Hopefully Santana's issues are injury related and not just him coming back down to Earth.

The Santana/Vogelbach thing is kind of an issue. Vogelbach is still hitting the ball out of the park and his OPS is strong, but 1. I don't ever want to see him playing defense and 2. He can't hit lefties to save his life.

Could be a controversial opinion but I'd like to see Santana DHing whenever the Mariners face a leftie and Vogelbach takes a day off.

seahawksfan234 · Aug 22, 2019

wazzu31 said:
Disagree with Vogelbach. Pitchers have figured him out. But to me, the book is easy on him. He is a poor mans Edgar where he sits on one pitch. If it’s not perfectly where he wants it he will take it, but difference with Edgar was he had much quicker hands and could hit with pop to all fields. Two things that will always hinder him and that is his whatever the word is for overly patient and his body frame. He cannot walk up to the plate looking for anything on the other side of the plate then turn on something inside. His frame makes his hitting window so freaking small.

I don't disagree that pitchers have figured him out. @NWinAZ mentioned the fact that he's too damn patient and pitchers have probably picked up on that. I know we disagree on the LHP versus RHP thing, but I think that also plays a role. He has never hit lefties well and I doubt that'll change.

This season he's hitting .162/.267/.343 against lefties and .246/.382/.520 against righties. That's a pretty huge gap.

seahawksfan234 · Aug 22, 2019

PolarVortex said:
The deeper and deeper he gets into this streak, the less and less it looks like a fluke.

I want to believe but I know that as soon as I do, he will fall on his face. It's the Mariner way

It has been mentioned by other posters on here but Seager has always been really streaky. At the plate he'll have 60 really good games normally in 2 or 3 stretches, then disappear for the remainder of the games.

Everything I've read on him seems to indicate he makes a lot of adjustments. Seems he finds something that works, pitchers figure it out, he slumps, figures something out, pitchers figure it out, etc. etc.

wazzu31 · Aug 22, 2019

seahawksfan234 said:
I don't disagree that pitchers have figured him out. @NWinAZ mentioned the fact that he's too damn patient and pitchers have probably picked up on that. I know we disagree on the LHP versus RHP thing, but I think that also plays a role. He has never hit lefties well and I doubt that'll change.

This season he's hitting .162/.267/.343 against lefties and .246/.382/.520 against righties. That's a pretty huge gap.

I’m not questioning there is a gap and not saying he or any lefty would ever have the same splits. I just will never accept the reason lefties aren’t as good against lefties is because they aren’t allowed to face lefties. He has finally started to show he can semi hang at the big league against righties but is still a green as grass with lefties.

PolarVortex · Aug 22, 2019

seahawksfan234 said:
It has been mentioned by other posters on here but Seager has always been really streaky. At the plate he'll have 60 really good games normally in 2 or 3 stretches, then disappear for the remainder of the games.

Everything I've read on him seems to indicate he makes a lot of adjustments. Seems he finds something that works, pitchers figure it out, he slumps, figures something out, pitchers figure it out, etc. etc.

The biggest surprise is that he seems a shoo-in to keep his 20+ homeruns in a season streak alive. This will make the 8th straight year. A month ago I'd have said that 15 homeruns seemed like a long shot.

Would 8 straight seasons with 20+ homeruns be a Mariner record? I think it would be. Buhner had 7, Edgar had 7 and Junior had 5.

wazzu31 · Aug 23, 2019

seahawksfan234 said:
It has been mentioned by other posters on here but Seager has always been really streaky. At the plate he'll have 60 really good games normally in 2 or 3 stretches, then disappear for the remainder of the games.

Everything I've read on him seems to indicate he makes a lot of adjustments. Seems he finds something that works, pitchers figure it out, he slumps, figures something out, pitchers figure it out, etc. etc.

Just from recollection and no real stats to back it up but when Seager was right it seemed like April and September were his off months. I know he is streaky but I just love that he laid a bunt against the shift. That is something that I think every single baseball fan and former pitcher that hates the shift has begged for. A bunt is a line drive in the score book.

SeattleCoug · Aug 23, 2019

wazzu31 said:
Just from recollection and no real stats to back it up but when Seager was right it seemed like April and September were his off months. I know he is streaky but I just love that he laid a bunt against the shift. That is something that I think every single baseball fan and former pitcher that hates the shift has begged for. A bunt is a line drive in the score book.

As of like a year or so a go this was correct. September was actually his worst month followed by April. I stopped kinda nitpicking him the last year because it hadnt been worth it . I also agree with the bunt thing. The one game I went to this year about a month ago, they played him with no one to the left of the shortstop. So it was an automatic basehit, if bunted there. Do that a few times so they dont shift you as hard and then your other hits will find more holes.

wazzu31 · Aug 23, 2019

SeattleCoug said:
As of like a year or so a go this was correct. September was actually his worst month followed by April. I stopped kinda nitpicking him the last year because it hadnt been worth it . I also agree with the bunt thing. The one game I went to this year about a month ago, they played him with no one to the left of the shortstop. So it was an automatic basehit, if bunted there. Do that a few times so they dont shift you as hard and then your other hits will find more holes.

I don’t know if bunting a lot will actually make teams stop shifting but I truly do not understand if a team is going to shift on you a bunt single is somehow less than a walk. The object of offense is to score and getting on base is kind of critical to that. I guess I’ll just never understand when the other is just giving something to you you don’t take it. I’ll use a football analogy, when a team is up by 10 with 4 minutes to go and go in prevent defense the offense doesn’t just keep throwing deep balls. Take what is easy and given to you. But that is just my opinion.

seahawksfan234 · Aug 24, 2019

PolarVortex said:
The biggest surprise is that he seems a shoo-in to keep his 20+ homeruns in a season streak alive. This will make the 8th straight year. A month ago I'd have said that 15 homeruns seemed like a long shot.

Would 8 straight seasons with 20+ homeruns be a Mariner record? I think it would be. Buhner had 7, Edgar had 7 and Junior had 5.

Surprisingly I think it would be. Although with Seager you never know when he'll start running ice cold. I'm thinking back and I can't really think of anyone else who was tenured as long as him with his power numbers.

ulmax · Aug 25, 2019

seahawksfan234 said:
I figured this topic deserved its own thread.

He completely adjusted his diet and workout routine this offseason and is clearly in much better shape, but the results have been... not good.

As of this post he is currently hitting .186/.260/.331

Here is how much we owe him with his age in parantheses:
2019: $19.5m (31)
2020: $19.5m (32)
2021: $18.5m (33)
2022: $15m (34)*

*The final year of his contract is a club option but becomes fully guaranteed if he is traded.

Right now he is trending downward and unfortunately has shown no signs of improvement. Are we stuck with him indefinitely? It would appear he is untradeable. Even if he starts showing up at the plate, I doubt someone would be willing to take on his contract.

If you're the Mariners GM, how do you handle this?

Mariners are going to pay him
Even if it is
Off the bench
There only old guy left..after felix

ulmax · Aug 25, 2019

Said before..3b platoon..aahh
Seagers..defence..is still good

ulmax · Aug 25, 2019

Pinch hit seager as well..im ok with it

ulmax · Aug 25, 2019

Forget..the money..i know.
they
Cant..either

Brain trouble..i think
Aaaahhh

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