POLL If prime Jordan played in today's NBA - would he be the best?

Bart · Aug 21, 2019

SJ76 said:
Haven’t had a dumbshit and his alt thread in some time. We usually get the Lebron vs Jordan thread during the summer but this time Lebron boy tried a different angle.

I’ll actually claim this as my first tribute thread as well.

#canIgetaRuling?

Jordan is fading into oblivion, I think you need to start coping with it. Who in this day and age rocks a Jordan avatar? LMAO

Bart · Aug 21, 2019

Shaqdaddy11 said:
They trolled non stop for a couple of hours together and now neither of them are posting. At exactly the same time.

What a weird coincidence.

You look like a complete fool still believing I have an alt.

Bart · Aug 21, 2019

Sir Robin Of Camelot said:
I guess none of these other dudes could play either...

Magic and Bird would do better than Jordan in today's game.

Bart · Aug 21, 2019

DJ said:
And totally expected!!!

There are 3 of you now that agree. Finally we have SportsHoopla's answer to the three stooges.

Bart · Aug 21, 2019

SJ76 said:
Jordan even dominates potato salad. Lebron?? Not so much

I’m glad your back for another day here. You’re very committed to the anti-Jordan thread while getting slapped around

Jordan had an Ad campaign that spent millions of dollars promoting him as the GOAT to simpletons who couldn't think for themselves, the poll in this thread is a reflection of the success of that campaign. Congrats for being manipulated by Nike.

CitySushi · Aug 21, 2019

Bart said:
Magic and Bird would do better than Jordan in today's game.

Magic? Wait wut?

Rambunctious · Aug 21, 2019

Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
John Stockton
Karl Malone
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Patrick Ewing
Chris Mullin
David Robinson
Charles Barkley

1992 dream team, there are not 10 players in the NBA today that would have a chance against this team imo

Bart · Aug 21, 2019

CitySushi said:
Magic? Wait wut?

You don't think so?

I think with his playmaking abilities and his ability to push the pace, he would thrive in today's game.

Bart · Aug 21, 2019

Rambunctious said:
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
John Stockton
Karl Malone
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Patrick Ewing
Chris Mullin
David Robinson
Charles Barkley

1992 dream team, there are not 10 players in the NBA today that would have a chance against this team imo

Yeah, hard to see anyone beating them but what rules?

CitySushi · Aug 21, 2019

Bart said:
You don't think so?

I think with his playmaking abilities and his ability to push the pace, he would thrive in today's game.

Well I mean, under the assumption that Jordan would not have improved his game under today's technology and just purely putting him into today's game, I'd say Magic would have a slightly less impact than he had in his era. He'd still be great, but there's an evolution of today's game that makes it more difficult for him versus say Jordan.

Magic wasn't an elite athlete. He was highly skilled, his size and vision made him the greatest PG of all time. But in today's game of positionless basketball, he's not as likely to continue to get as many size matchup issues. On top of that he was never a great shooter or scorer.

All the knocks that Ben Simmons has today, were/are the knocks on Magic, except that in Magic's era those weren't considered weaknesses.

Also with the elimination of illegal defense, it alters Magic's effectiveness in the post to a degree against smaller guards because the defense can hedge towards him without having to fully commit.

Don't get me wrong I think Magic is still an all time great player, but if you're just plugging and playing Magic like a lot of the assumptions here about Jordan, than he would be less effective than Jordan.

That's just my 2 cents.

dtgold88 · Aug 21, 2019

Shaqdaddy11 said:
Well that's not true at all.

There were regular seasons where he was Top 40 in 3point %. He was even 11th one season.

You're comparing the game in the 90s to what it is now.

How many bigs in the 90s - Hakeem, Shaq, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Zo, Divac etc shot the 3 ball?

And how many bigs do it now?

You're trying to compare apples to oranges. And doing it by comparing stats from one era to stats form over 20 years ago.

also seasons he was under 30%...even under 20%

Bart · Aug 21, 2019

Remember folks to vote twice. Once for the Jordan question and once for the salad question. I want to see macaroni salad beat potato salad this time around.

dtgold88 · Aug 21, 2019

Clayton said:
There is a bit more to unpack here than that. Lebron probably had 3 Finals appearances that probably wouldn't have happened in Jordan's era. Lebron probably did play the best three teams but he also lost to the Mavericks who would be weaker than any team that MJ beat.

All in all, I'd have MJ ranked #1 overall, Kareem #2, Lebron #3, prob Wilt #4, prob Magic #5.

I think Mavs were because Lebron tried to defer too much to Wade. when he realize he was the man they won 2 of next 3...and here, as well.

Want to say MJ never would have deferred to Wade. I tend to agree, but we don't know this for a fact.

Stakesarehigh · Aug 21, 2019

Bart said:
LOL @ "Killer Instinct". Because Jordan stuck out his tongue out, pumped his fist, yelled at his teammates, and chucked shots at the end of games...he has a "Killer Instinct' ...don't make me laugh.

Youtube has probably a 20 minute compilation of all the hard fouls in the 90's, most not even on Jordan. There were more hard fouls in the 90's but pretending like they happened constantly throughout the game is trying to create a narrative that just isn't there.

Back in the 90's they had a little thing called illegal defense so Jordan couldn't be double teamed without the ball which resulted in slower rotations if the wanted to trap Jordan. Today's game they can double team you outside the paint any time they want. That is something else you might want to consider when analyzing how Jordan would do against today's defenses.

The illegal defense point gets overlooked a lot. And it definitely led to more three point shooting and the need for Centers that can stretch the defense

dtgold88 · Aug 21, 2019

TrustMeIamRight said:
Alleged?!? The league literally changed what is and isn’t a foul to open up the game to more offense in the NBA.

The same way the NHL has and the NFL has.

If you go to YouTube — you can watch endless videos of how different each sport was 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc.

NHL had players who were enforcers — They literally were on the team to fight anyone who messed with the star players. Now fighting happens very rarely.

NFL — players used to absolutely lay players out. Now if you hit a QB too high or too low, you get flagged. If you hit a WR too hard or they aren’t ready for it — they will flag you.

NBA — Hand checking, clutching, grabbing and punishing anyone who tried to get to the rim was the norm. The Pistons won multiple only because they did this better than anyone else. Today, you have guys flopping like soccer players and if you look at someone the wrong way you will get fouled.

Today’s sports are so tilted towards offense because they need to do something to get people to continue attending games, when you can now sit home and watch all the games on a 100” 4K smart tv. Offense is what fans want to see.

MJ flopped as did many others in that time.

And none of this takes away the main point.....scoring down mostly because they took less shots and less 3s.

msgkings322 · Aug 21, 2019

Rambunctious said:
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
John Stockton
Karl Malone
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Patrick Ewing
Chris Mullin
David Robinson
Charles Barkley

1992 dream team, there are not 10 players in the NBA today that would have a chance against this team imo

Actually we did a whole thread about this
It comes down to the rules. If we use old defense rules, Dream Team 92 probably a bit better. If we use current rules, Dream Team 2019 probably wins.

For one thing, cross off Larry Bird. In 1992 he was totally washed.

LeBron, Curry, Westbrook, Kawhi, KD, AD, Butler, Klay, Harden, PG, Lillard, Zion (the Laettner college slot) is at least as good

Rambunctious · Aug 21, 2019

msgkings322 said:
Actually we did a whole thread about this
It comes down to the rules. If we use old defense rules, Dream Team 92 probably a bit better. If we use current rules, Dream Team 2019 probably wins.

For one thing, cross off Larry Bird. In 1992 he was totally washed.

LeBron, Curry, Westbrook, Kawhi, KD, AD, Butler, Klay, Harden, PG, Lillard, Zion (the Laettner college slot) is at least as good

Really you think rule differences would make that much of a difference? maybe it would, I didn't think about that. Then lets say just a pure talent comparison. I think man per man the dream ream would win that.

Rambunctious · Aug 21, 2019

Bart said:
Yeah, hard to see anyone beating them but what rules?

I didn't think about rule differences.

Sparhawk · Aug 21, 2019

Thread should be merged with the Russell thread....

msgkings322 · Aug 21, 2019

Rambunctious said:
Really you think rule differences would make that much of a difference? maybe it would, I didn't think about that. Then lets say just a pure talent comparison. I think man per man the dream ream would win that.

It's basically a wash man for man (again, you gotta take into account how old some of those dream teamers were)

It's a pretty even matchup.

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