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Interesting. If I was a betting man, I'd have gone with the Sox and Abreu coming to terms before season's end. Would have lost that one. I'm not up on all the contract crap, so my question is if there is an advantage to either side by waiting until after the season ends. Are the Sox planning on offering one of those one year deals where if Abreu declines, they get a supplemental draft choice? I'm otherwise wondering if both sides truly want to remain together why they don't settle this in the coming weeks.
 

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The 2019 Chicago White Sox: The MLB's Jekyll & Hyde Team of the Year. We take 4 out of 7 against the Astros, one of the leading contenders for a WS trophy this year, yet get swept 4 straight by the lowly Royals. :noidea:
 

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The 2019 Chicago White Sox: The MLB's Jekyll & Hyde Team of the Year. We take 4 out of 7 against the Astros, one of the leading contenders for a WS trophy this year, yet get swept 4 straight by the lowly Royals. :noidea:
Blind squirrel finds nut.
 

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Sale, who's been fairly shitty this year, is now out for the rest of the season. That trade is looking better and better in the long term for the good guys.
 

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Sale, who's been fairly shitty this year, is now out for the rest of the season. That trade is looking better and better in the long term for the good guys.
where did sale's hero-worshiper go? funny i haven't heard a word about this trade for awhile now and he was soooo vocal before. :)
 

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where did sale's hero-worshiper go? funny i haven't heard a word about this trade for awhile now and he was soooo vocal before. :)

Oh I'm still here. We're so horribly bad that there's a million other things to b*tch about.

Let's recap our franchise since the Chris Sale trade:

184-263 record .412

1880 RS vs 2304 RZ (-424 RD)




Sale's "bounty:"

An A ball pitcher that has 11 innings under his belt for us.

An A ball CF who was demoted this year because he hit .238 in AA ball.

A pitcher who had Tommy John Surgery and will enter his third season with us with 14 total innings under his belt. (We'll pay him 45 million I'm sure of it) - High comedy considering this post is about Sale getting injured.

A 2B/3B hitting .250 for us to date, leading the entire league in strikeouts last year, who isn't in the top ten in strikeouts again only because of injury.

The last guy is the biggest positive because he's actually hitting .300 this year and maybe he'll stop being a turnstile at the plate in the next decade.



All 4 of these guys combined aren't yet even close to worth what Sale gave the Red Sox the prior 2 years. Maybe next year you can spread the gap a little. Doubtful though.

Chris Sale would have made these past 2 1/2 years at least somewhat tolerable and given fans something to look forward to every 5th day. As it is, we've got a pile of hope and absolutely nothing else in return for his production.
 

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Oh I'm still here. We're so horribly bad that there's a million other things to b*tch about.

Let's recap our franchise since the Chris Sale trade:

184-263 record .412

1880 RS vs 2304 RZ (-424 RD)




Sale's "bounty:"

An A ball pitcher that has 11 innings under his belt for us.

An A ball CF who was demoted this year because he hit .238 in AA ball.

A pitcher who had Tommy John Surgery and will enter his third season with us with 14 total innings under his belt. (We'll pay him 45 million I'm sure of it) - High comedy considering this post is about Sale getting injured.

A 2B/3B hitting .250 for us to date, leading the entire league in strikeouts last year, who isn't in the top ten in strikeouts again only because of injury.

The last guy is the biggest positive because he's actually hitting .300 this year and maybe he'll stop being a turnstile at the plate in the next decade.



All 4 of these guys combined aren't yet even close to worth what Sale gave the Red Sox the prior 2 years. Maybe next year you can spread the gap a little. Doubtful though.

Chris Sale would have made these past 2 1/2 years at least somewhat tolerable and given fans something to look forward to every 5th day. As it is, we've got a pile of hope and absolutely nothing else in return for his production.
excellent way to spin this! :D what you do ignore is a future for a past. i don't think anyone really misses sale at all and if we had him still we'd have a worse team than we do now. yes we're 184-263 without him ... did you forget we were 290 - 358 WITH him the previous 4 years ... which was the whole point of trading him? hard to believe you'd still regret that move. i would bet the on sox future over sale's future any day.

i should add ... of COURSE we were bad when he left. the trade was for players who hadn't played in the majors yet. see .... the whole idea is to build for the future ... not the present. so your 'figures' are pretty meaningless in sale's defense
 

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excellent way to spin this! :D what you do ignore is a future for a past. i don't think anyone really misses sale at all and if we had him still we'd have a worse team than we do now. yes we're 184-263 without him ... did you forget we were 290 - 358 WITH him the previous 4 years ... which was the whole point of trading him? hard to believe you'd still regret that move. i would bet the on sox future over sale's future any day.

i should add ... of COURSE we were bad when he left. the trade was for players who hadn't played in the majors yet. see .... the whole idea is to build for the future ... not the present. so your 'figures' are pretty meaningless in sale's defense

Nah...Not buying this.

Until we have something, we have nothing.

Chris Sale was something. In the hand. Pure awesomeness.

What we have is a pile of hope.

There's no contesting that until his bounty actually gives us anything worthwhile. Until then, we just traded away one of the all-time great pitchers. Shoo-in HOF'er. And we did so in epic fashion where he'll probably go into the hall with another cap on. Sad story.

*cross your fingers for Moncada and Kopech* Because history will not be kind if neither of those guys is, well, all-star caliber at least. And not just all-star caliber, all-star caliber FOR US. That matters too.
 

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Nah...Not buying this.

Until we have something, we have nothing.

Chris Sale was something. In the hand. Pure awesomeness.

What we have is a pile of hope.

There's no contesting that until his bounty actually gives us anything worthwhile. Until then, we just traded away one of the all-time great pitchers. Shoo-in HOF'er. And we did so in epic fashion where he'll probably go into the hall with another cap on. Sad story.

*cross your fingers for Moncada and Kopech* Because history will not be kind if neither of those guys is, well, all-star caliber at least. And not just all-star caliber, all-star caliber FOR US. That matters too.
come ON! a pile of hope is all anyone ever has when trading a veteran for a highly-rated prospect. this is nothing new.
and btw, sale was/is hardly an all-time great. this may be where your problem lies. you built him up in your fan-mind so much you really believe he is already established as a "great".
the choice was fairly easy. keep a very good pitcher on a shitty team just for the sake of being able to root for him ... OR ... trade him whilst the tradin's good. i don't know what you're thinking would have happened had they kept him.
trading is always a gamble but sometimes you just gotta pull the trigger and let your hero leave.

btw ... got a kick out of you're putting him in the hall already
go to baseball reference and check out his hof stats. :D
 

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Chris Sale would have made these past 2 1/2 years at least somewhat tolerable and given fans something to look forward to every 5th day. As it is, we've got a pile of hope and absolutely nothing else in return for his production.
No, the absolute best Chris would have given us is tolerable, as he would not have made a difference with respect to the Sox getting into the postseason. So at least we got something for him, knowing full well in the short term Boston would make out - and they did. If Sales career was to be finished from here on out, at least he helped them win a WS. That has to count for something, and I'm sure no matter how Moncada's and Kopech's careers pan out, the Red Sox will believe it was worth it.

It's kinda like the Cubs with obtaining Aroldis Chapman for Gleyber Torres. Chapman helped the Cubs win the WS for the lone season he was with them. But look at who they gave up. Torres is a future perennial all star candidate for years to come. But that one championship at least validates what the Cubs had to give up.

If I had a dozen opportunities to reconsider the Sale trade, a dozen times I'd say let's go for it. Absolute no-brainer, both in foresight and now of course in 20-20 hindsight.
 

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come ON! a pile of hope is all anyone ever has when trading a veteran for a highly-rated prospect. this is nothing new.
and btw, sale was/is hardly an all-time great. this may be where your problem lies. you built him up in your fan-mind so much you really believe he is already established as a "great".
the choice was fairly easy. keep a very good pitcher on a shitty team just for the sake of being able to root for him ... OR ... trade him whilst the tradin's good. i don't know what you're thinking would have happened had they kept him.
trading is always a gamble but sometimes you just gotta pull the trigger and let your hero leave.

btw ... got a kick out of you're putting him in the hall already
go to baseball reference and check out his hof stats. :D

I assure you if Chris Sale was to the organization similar to that of a guillen or thomas or abreu or (insert sox long timer here) that toed our line we would never have gotten rid of him.

We blew it with him for some dumbass sh*t and now are writing the “we needed to money blah blah blah” narrative while we offer a single player more than twice as much as Sale would cost two years later with one of the lowest payrolls in baseball.

F*ck that excuse sh*t. We f*cked up royally losing Sale if his haul doesn’t pan out. It’s the only fallback that this revisionist history you guys are selling has.
 

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I assure you if Chris Sale was to the organization similar to that of a guillen or thomas or abreu or (insert sox long timer here) that toed our line we would never have gotten rid of him.

We blew it with him for some dumbass sh*t and now are writing the “we needed to money blah blah blah” narrative while we offer a single player more than twice as much as Sale would cost two years later with one of the lowest payrolls in baseball.

F*ck that excuse sh*t. We f*cked up royally losing Sale if his haul doesn’t pan out. It’s the only fallback that this revisionist history you guys are selling has.
:) nobody is arguing the sox aren't a fucked up organization. they are ... and have been for a long time. but you're still wrong about sale. the reasons given for moving him are not made up. they are real and legitimate. no amount of you stomping your feet will change that.

yes, he was an asshole on top of everything else, but he still would have been traded. the guillan/thomas/abreu situations don't equate. and offering "a single player more than twice as much" isn't the same as as seriously trying to land him, and even if they were serious ... they had already gotten the youth they were after, including the young pitching.
even "if his haul doesn’t pan out", it was the right thing to do.
 

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:) nobody is arguing the sox aren't a fucked up organization. they are ... and have been for a long time. but you're still wrong about sale. the reasons given for moving him are not made up. they are real and legitimate. no amount of you stomping your feet will change that.

yes, he was an asshole on top of everything else, but he still would have been traded. the guillan/thomas/abreu situations don't equate. and offering "a single player more than twice as much" isn't the same as as seriously trying to land him, and even if they were serious ... they had already gotten the youth they were after, including the young pitching.
even "if his haul doesn’t pan out", it was the right thing to do.

There's a reason they say hindsight is 20/20. Because it is. Should these players not pan out...The only thing we got out of the Sale trade was a sh*ttier team to watch and more money for Reinsdorf. I wait patiently for the return we should be getting in the 3rd year after the trade....and the 4th....maybe forever. Guess we'll find out.
 

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No, the absolute best Chris would have given us is tolerable, as he would not have made a difference with respect to the Sox getting into the postseason. So at least we got something for him, knowing full well in the short term Boston would make out - and they did. If Sales career was to be finished from here on out, at least he helped them win a WS. That has to count for something, and I'm sure no matter how Moncada's and Kopech's careers pan out, the Red Sox will believe it was worth it.

It's kinda like the Cubs with obtaining Aroldis Chapman for Gleyber Torres. Chapman helped the Cubs win the WS for the lone season he was with them. But look at who they gave up. Torres is a future perennial all star candidate for years to come. But that one championship at least validates what the Cubs had to give up.

If I had a dozen opportunities to reconsider the Sale trade, a dozen times I'd say let's go for it. Absolute no-brainer, both in foresight and now of course in 20-20 hindsight.

You keep arguing as if this team was doomed with Chris Sale and saved without. That's almost full on lunacy. Like "Hey, you know what'll make us better? Dumping a HOF pitcher."

I mean...Tolerable is better than dumpster fire right? Because that is what we are. We don't have ONE Chris Sale. And our best shot at a player of his caliber was Manny Machado and half our fanbase thinks it was a sham attempt to appease. That's our current state.

We're 3 years later from that trade and the best piece we have to show for it at this point led the entire majors in strikeouts last year. That's the facts.
 

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You keep arguing as if this team was doomed with Chris Sale and saved without.
I stopped reading after that line and deleted the rest because there is nowhere in what I said that the team was doomed having Sale, as if he was the primary or a key reason why we sucked during his tenure. I only said Sale would not have made the difference for us getting into any playoffs because we were that bad. It's not like he was ever 25-2 for us or something, which might have otherwise made a difference. THAT's what I meant and honestly Jiddy, I really shouldn't have had to explain this.
 

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Guys, guys, let’s take it easy! We are practically the only Sox fans left, so we have to stick together.

How about that Giolito, eh?!
 

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Guys, guys, let’s take it easy! We are practically the only Sox fans left, so we have to stick together.

How about that Giolito, eh?!
No anger here at all, just wanted to make sure Jiddy knew exactly what I meant by my statement regarding Sale, altho I thought it was fairly clear from the get-go. But never ever EVER any hard feelings over opinions. Life's too short. And yes, what a thing of beauty by Gi-ELITE-o (apparently his new nickname) today.
 

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No anger here at all, just wanted to make sure Jiddy knew exactly what I meant by my statement regarding Sale, altho I thought it was fairly clear from the get-go. But never ever EVER any hard feelings over opinions. Life's too short. And yes, what a thing of beauty by Gi-ELITE-o (apparently his new nickname) today.
I was just kidding. Trying to inject some levity.
 
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