• Have something to say? Register Now! and be posting in minutes!

Triple Espresso of Coffee Talk

Status
Not open for further replies.

Bloody Brian Burke

#1 CFL Fan!
35,236
10,786
1,033
Joined
Jun 28, 2014
Location
West Toronto, BC
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,152.09
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
Ontario's population in the '16 census was 13,448,494, 8% growth.

BC's population was 4,648,055. 8% growth.

Quebec's was 8,164,361. 3% growth.

Something ain't right there...

 

Bloody Brian Burke

#1 CFL Fan!
35,236
10,786
1,033
Joined
Jun 28, 2014
Location
West Toronto, BC
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,152.09
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
Ontario's population in the '16 census was 13,448,494, 8% growth.

BC's population was 4,648,055. 8% growth.

Quebec's was 8,164,361. 3% growth.

Something ain't right there...

Another reason this is a piss off:

a57b9e2c05.png


Funny how no matter who's in charge, Quebec is always given leeway to live outside their means and do jack shit in return.
 

KennyBanyeah

Buckle up!!
15,781
5,482
533
Joined
Apr 23, 2010
Location
West
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,042.93
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
Another reason this is a piss off:

a57b9e2c05.png


Funny how no matter who's in charge, Quebec is always given leeway to live outside their means and do jack shit in return.

Quebec is far from the worst offender here. Pretty much middle of the road. Maybe it's just me but that doesn't seem like anything egregious. Of course I live in Alberta so I hear pretty much daily how Ontario and Quebec are stealing all our money. It's kind of all bullshit. Weird how nobody seems to complain about Manitoba, on either side of the country; except of course people who have visited Manitoba in the winter. Or summer.
 

Bloody Brian Burke

#1 CFL Fan!
35,236
10,786
1,033
Joined
Jun 28, 2014
Location
West Toronto, BC
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,152.09
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
Quebec is far from the worst offender here. Pretty much middle of the road. Maybe it's just me but that doesn't seem like anything egregious. Of course I live in Alberta so I hear pretty much daily how Ontario and Quebec are stealing all our money. It's kind of all bullshit. Weird how nobody seems to complain about Manitoba, on either side of the country; except of course people who have visited Manitoba in the winter. Or summer.
Per capita, sure. Total dollars? It's pretty significant.

And Ontario and BC in total dollars are getting hammered despite as the first post showed getting burdened with the highest increase in population because nobody wants to live in the places where the feds are essentially subsidizing living.

Either put in place a proper immigration program that drives people to these "have not" provinces or reduce immigration. This isn't something these places can handle anymore.
 

puckhead

Custom User Title
46,769
15,952
1,033
Joined
Apr 20, 2010
Location
Vancouver
Hoopla Cash
$ 33,861.66
Fav. Team #1
Either put in place a proper immigration program that drives people to these "have not" provinces or reduce immigration. This isn't something these places can handle anymore.

that's how my grandfather came to Canada.
they were offering a free section of land just north of buttfuck nowhere Manitoba if he'd reclaim and farm it.
 

Bloody Brian Burke

#1 CFL Fan!
35,236
10,786
1,033
Joined
Jun 28, 2014
Location
West Toronto, BC
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,152.09
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
that's how my grandfather came to Canada.
they were offering a free section of land just north of buttfuck nowhere Manitoba if he'd reclaim and farm it.
If we're going to subsidize the have-not provinces to this extent then there should be a lot more of this happening. Most of Nova Scotia is abandoned coal mine country, Newfoundland's population is expected to dip below 500,000 sometime in the near future, SK and MB have all but begged for people to move there for a decade, etc. If people can't be enticed to move there then entice people to move the hell out of there and send the federal funding to places people actually live and work.
 

KennyBanyeah

Buckle up!!
15,781
5,482
533
Joined
Apr 23, 2010
Location
West
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,042.93
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
Per capita, sure. Total dollars? It's pretty significant.

And Ontario and BC in total dollars are getting hammered despite as the first post showed getting burdened with the highest increase in population because nobody wants to live in the places where the feds are essentially subsidizing living.

Either put in place a proper immigration program that drives people to these "have not" provinces or reduce immigration. This isn't something these places can handle anymore.

According to StatsCan (for 2017-18) international migration in Quebec accounted for a net 1.0% increase in population; Ontario was at 1.4%. Not a huge difference. Interprovincial migration accounted for a net population decrease in Quebec of -0.1% and Ontario had an increase of 0.1%. And Quebec had a few less babies per capita: 0.2% to 0.3 % for PQ and ON respectively. In total Quebec grew by 1.1% and Ontario by 1.8%. Both pretty reasonable and healthy population growths.


If we're going to subsidize the have-not provinces to this extent then there should be a lot more of this happening. Most of Nova Scotia is abandoned coal mine country, Newfoundland's population is expected to dip below 500,000 sometime in the near future, SK and MB have all but begged for people to move there for a decade, etc. If people can't be enticed to move there then entice people to move the hell out of there and send the federal funding to places people actually live and work.

More people started moving to Ontario (and Quebec) from abroad rather than going to the prairie provinces in the last 2 years. And people were fleeing the prairies (except Alberta who broke even) for other provinces. Presumably this was Ontario and BC. So basically what you were advocating is kind of happening.

As for sending the money where people live, isn't this what the whole per capita thing is about rather than "real dollars" as you put it? In which case Manitoba is probably the biggest offender when it comes to money in v. money out disparities. Which brings me back to my original point. Quebec is about the middle of the road for most of these issues yet we hear about them stealing everybody else's money but rarely hear about the thieves in Winnipeg. Seems odd. Unless of course you live where I do (Alberta) then apparently everybody is stealing our money and we're under constant attack. Mostly Ontario and Quebec though are, for some weird reason, the laziest leeches you'd ever want to meet.
 

Bloody Brian Burke

#1 CFL Fan!
35,236
10,786
1,033
Joined
Jun 28, 2014
Location
West Toronto, BC
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,152.09
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
According to StatsCan (for 2017-18) international migration in Quebec accounted for a net 1.0% increase in population; Ontario was at 1.4%. Not a huge difference. Interprovincial migration accounted for a net population decrease in Quebec of -0.1% and Ontario had an increase of 0.1%. And Quebec had a few less babies per capita: 0.2% to 0.3 % for PQ and ON respectively. In total Quebec grew by 1.1% and Ontario by 1.8%. Both pretty reasonable and healthy population growths.
Those stats and the StatsCan population estimate when compared to the '16 census can't both be true unless a million people came to Ontario last year or we are an absolute outlier in births to deaths. That 1.1 million people had to come from somewhere lol.


More people started moving to Ontario (and Quebec) from abroad rather than going to the prairie provinces in the last 2 years. And people were fleeing the prairies (except Alberta who broke even) for other provinces. Presumably this was Ontario and BC. So basically what you were advocating is kind of happening.
This migration was almost entirely just people moving for resource-related work and then returning when that work dried up though, no? That isn't sustainable nor does it solve these issues.

As for sending the money where people live, isn't this what the whole per capita thing is about rather than "real dollars" as you put it? In which case Manitoba is probably the biggest offender when it comes to money in v. money out disparities. Which brings me back to my original point. Quebec is about the middle of the road for most of these issues yet we hear about them stealing everybody else's money but rarely hear about the thieves in Winnipeg. Seems odd. Unless of course you live where I do (Alberta) then apparently everybody is stealing our money and we're under constant attack. Mostly Ontario and Quebec though are, for some weird reason, the laziest leeches you'd ever want to meet.
The reason Quebec gets knocked is because, as a percentage of the population, there's really no reason at this point that they should be a consistent have-not province. There's no reason they should be attracting that much federal investment when other provinces of similar power are only receiving 85 cents on the dollar back (for the record, Quebec's getting $1.30 on the dollar back, which is only marginally behind MB's $1.46 and far behind the $2.00 that NB and NS get).

So, yeah, I don't really consider it a middle-of-the-road issue when they're receiving nearly half a dollar more per revenue dollar collected than Ontario and BC are and still somehow managing to have the fourth-worst GDP per capita in the country.
 

KennyBanyeah

Buckle up!!
15,781
5,482
533
Joined
Apr 23, 2010
Location
West
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,042.93
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
Those stats and the StatsCan population estimate when compared to the '16 census can't both be true unless a million people came to Ontario last year or we are an absolute outlier in births to deaths. That 1.1 million people had to come from somewhere lol.



This migration was almost entirely just people moving for resource-related work and then returning when that work dried up though, no? That isn't sustainable nor does it solve these issues.


The reason Quebec gets knocked is because, as a percentage of the population, there's really no reason at this point that they should be a consistent have-not province. There's no reason they should be attracting that much federal investment when other provinces of similar power are only receiving 85 cents on the dollar back (for the record, Quebec's getting $1.30 on the dollar back, which is only marginally behind MB's $1.46 and far behind the $2.00 that NB and NS get).

So, yeah, I don't really consider it a middle-of-the-road issue when they're receiving nearly half a dollar more per revenue dollar collected than Ontario and BC are and still somehow managing to have the fourth-worst GDP per capita in the country.

I agree that Quebec needs to get their shit together. I just find it curious that they get harped on when they aren't the biggest "offenders". I suspect that it's partially because of the separatist issue. Having a significant portion of your population say they want out of Canada and then turning around and accepting tons of equalization monies is bad optics to say the least.

I suspect that for some it's also "I just don't like french people, derp!!". In fact I know that's the case with some. It's a lot easier for some people to vent their anger on people who are different. Those people aren't generally smart enough to understand why Manitobans might be different from Ontarians so they find the only province that has something that is obviously different.
 

Comeds

Unreliable Narrator.
22,560
11,042
1,033
Joined
Apr 21, 2010
Location
Baltimore
Hoopla Cash
$ 754.60
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
So it seems like we may be getting into a manufactured war; at least that's what the scoutmaster at my Man Scouts meeting said last night.
 

forty_three

It’s Raining Falafel
44,912
19,386
1,033
Joined
Apr 19, 2010
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,000.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
So it seems like we may be getting into a manufactured war; at least that's what the scoutmaster at my Man Scouts meeting said last night.

qjrE4yyfw5pEPvDbJDzhdNXM7mjt1tbr2kM3X28F6SraZccYqttQLYq4xUxw84nTBQ7CrnJ8HNqx1hABcNrUMdUmLRMUT2Da7WKQTxV8AbWVY2LSnnRmDi6a






Meanwhile, in Orlando:
 
35,052
2,004
173
Joined
Apr 19, 2010
Location
Tucson, AZ
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,000.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
Another reason this is a piss off:

a57b9e2c05.png


Funny how no matter who's in charge, Quebec is always given leeway to live outside their means and do jack shit in return.

But what is P.E.I. doing is what I want to know. They're spending well over twice what they bring in. That seems like... a lot.
 

Bloody Brian Burke

#1 CFL Fan!
35,236
10,786
1,033
Joined
Jun 28, 2014
Location
West Toronto, BC
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,152.09
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
But what is P.E.I. doing is what I want to know. They're spending well over twice what they bring in. That seems like... a lot.
3 of the 4 Maritime provinces make up the bottom three of provinces by GDP (Newfoundland is the third-highest because oil). PEI is among that group.

If the Feds cut that spending the place would pretty much fall apart.
 

Comeds

Unreliable Narrator.
22,560
11,042
1,033
Joined
Apr 21, 2010
Location
Baltimore
Hoopla Cash
$ 754.60
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
I hope this possible (yeah right, lol) upcoming war is not just a distraction from Trump's scandals and or the Freedom Camps / Kid Kennels at the border.
 

Bloody Brian Burke

#1 CFL Fan!
35,236
10,786
1,033
Joined
Jun 28, 2014
Location
West Toronto, BC
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,152.09
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
A US war with Iran would make an excellent time for Canada to invade America.

Mexico can join in and we'll split it 50-50 - they get all the yahoo gun states, we get the northern less-gunny states, sell Hawaii to Australia, turn Alaska into a giant oil field and no electoral votes for DC.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top