Who won the trade?

msgkings322 · Jun 18, 2019

flyerhawk said:
Pretty much this.

Pelinka shows his skills NOW. Giving up all of their assets for the next 4 years was a bold move but it also wasn't some coup. When it is all said and done, it's possible that people will look back at that trade as a complete disaster for the Lakers. Could also be a monster win for them.

Yep, a home run swing for the fences. Makes it fun as a fan of the NBA let's see what happens...what a great new storyline with the Warriors presumably toppled for at least this year, instant new drama. The whole league was waiting for whenever the Warriors showed some weakness, here it is.

LA says all in, NO says I'm happy to get my haul. Win (Lakers) win (Pelicans) win (NBA fans)

True Lakers Fan · Jun 18, 2019

msgkings322 said:
Yep, a home run swing for the fences. Makes it fun as a fan of the NBA let's see what happens...what a great new storyline with the Warriors presumably toppled for at least this year, instant new drama. The whole league was waiting for whenever the Warriors showed some weakness, here it is.

LA says all in, NO says I'm happy to get my haul. Win (Lakers) win (Pelicans) win (NBA fans)

I would have loved to wait on the Lakers core and see what they become - but that would have meant keeping Russell, and not dumping Mozgov and Deng or signing LeBron - once they set those in motion - the wait and see if we have what the Warriors got - is off the table and lets face it - It's a really long shot that any team ever duplicates what the Warriors have done. These Lakers kids look pretty good, but they are not going to be franchise players

HurricaneDij39 · Jun 18, 2019

buckalis said:
Exactly who won the trade again?

How about we play a season's worth of games before we debate this? The Pels came away with some excellent draft pick value, but player value I'm not so sure. Haven't been especially impressed with Ball and Ingram to this point.

That said, David Griffin may know something that we don't. We all criticized him for firing David Blatt from a first-place team, and he ending up getting a title out of it. That 2024 unprotected pick could prove to be an extremely valuable one to potentially shop in future trades, given that LeBron will be 39 then.

flyerhawk · Jun 18, 2019

HurricaneDij39 said:
How about we play a season's worth of games before we debate this? The Pels came away with some excellent draft pick value, but player value I'm not so sure. Haven't been especially impressed with Ball and Ingram to this point.

That said, David Griffin may know something that we don't. We all criticized him for firing David Blatt from a first-place team, and he ending up getting a title out of it. That 2024 unprotected pick could prove to be an extremely valuable one to potentially shop in future trades, given that LeBron will be 39 then.

You're a Lakers fan now?

tlance · Jun 18, 2019

flyerhawk said:
You're a Lakers fan now?

Built not bought!

Stakesarehigh · Jun 18, 2019

Guns N Guitars said:
I'm surprised the Lakers gave up so much.

It's funny how many knocked this offer a few months ago and now people are like "damn they don't have a team"

It's a good offer

shopson67 · Jun 18, 2019

Shanemansj13 said:
Hey Laker fans, learn to read

"I mean you could put that order any way you want"

The top 3 are cemented right now though. (KD is injured but still) You could put AD at 4, that is how great he is.

Yes, of course we can. That's why we're disagreeing with the order YOU put them in. You did number them, did you not?

shopson67 · Jun 18, 2019

True Lakers Fan said:
So who still thinks the Lakers front office is a big mess?

They have historically trusted in their GM. I'm still not sure Pelinka is to be trusted. He gave away an awful lot of draft capital in this trade when there was no competition for AD in all reality.

shopson67 · Jun 18, 2019

HurricaneDij39 said:
How about we play a season's worth of games before we debate this? The Pels came away with some excellent draft pick value, but player value I'm not so sure. Haven't been especially impressed with Ball and Ingram to this point.

That said, David Griffin may know something that we don't. We all criticized him for firing David Blatt from a first-place team, and he ending up getting a title out of it. That 2024 unprotected pick could prove to be an extremely valuable one to potentially shop in future trades, given that LeBron will be 39 then.

Lebron may not even be a Laker by then (he would have to re-sign). However, AD will still be, and the Lakers may have replaced him with their latest FA signing and or trade acquisition. We'll worry about 5 years in the future a bit later I think, but hopefully Pelinka has the same vision I have.

GNG · Jun 18, 2019

Stakesarehigh said:
It's funny how many knocked this offer a few months ago and now people are like "damn they don't have a team"

It's a good offer

The Lakers gave up too much young talent.

shopson67 · Jun 18, 2019

Guns N Guitars said:
The Lakers gave up too much young talent.

2 starters and a rotational SG? Nah, the picks will be what makes or breaks the value of this trade overall IMO. You have to give up prospects like Ball and BI to get a player of AD's caliber via trade.

Stakesarehigh · Jun 18, 2019

Guns N Guitars said:
The Lakers gave up too much young talent.

I'd have kept the 4 or Ball imo but they probably don't take the deal then

Or at least Hart for needed depth

trojanfan12 · Jun 18, 2019

shopson67 said:
Lebron may not even be a Laker by then (he would have to re-sign). However, AD will still be, and the Lakers may have replaced him with their latest FA signing and or trade acquisition. We'll worry about 5 years in the future a bit later I think, but hopefully Pelinka has the same vision I have.

Basically, when you have the opportunity to add a top 5 talent to your team, especially when you are adding him to another top 5 talent...you give up whatever you have to give up and figure out the rest later.

Plus, AD is only 26...so as you suggest, he can be paired with Lebron to hopefully win now and then with someone else when Lebron is gone.

Also, if things work out as they should, those picks are going to be late first rounders anyway.

trojanfan12 · Jun 18, 2019

Stakesarehigh said:
I'd have kept the 4 or Ball imo but they probably don't take the deal then

Or at least Hart for needed depth

The Pels don't make the deal then. I'm still trying to figure out how they managed to keep Kuzma.

Stakesarehigh · Jun 18, 2019

trojanfan12 said:
The Pels don't make the deal then. I'm still trying to figure out how they managed to keep Kuzma.

The Pels had no leverage. If Ainge truly said no Tatum what they getting from the Knicks that's any better?

Who else is giving up a top 5 pick and two former top five picks for a rental?

I can't even remember if Kuzma was part of the initial deal if he was they probably accepted a worse offer

Gman · Jun 18, 2019

True Lakers Fan said:
I'm still trying to figure out how they managed to keep Kuzma.

Probably by conceding those rights-to-swap-picks down the line.

trojanfan12 · Jun 18, 2019

Stakesarehigh said:
The Pels had no leverage. If Ainge truly said no Tatum what they getting from the Knicks that's any better?

Who else is giving up a top 5 pick and two former top five picks for a rental?

I can't even remember if Kuzma was part of the initial deal if he was they probably accepted a worse offer

Yes, Kuzma was part of the original deal. At least according to reports. I don't know for certain that he was though because it's also been said that Demps was making up supposed offers from the Lakers to try to make them look bad. He was pissed about AD's trade demand being made public and wanted to embarrass them.

But, the only denial that ever came from the Lakers was Jeanie saying they never offered as much as was reported, but she never said exactly what was offered either. Soooo... :noidea:

As for accepting a worse deal, it kind of depends.

The picks are definitely better, especially since they got the #4 in this years draft. But, of the Lakers kids, Kuzma has performed the best so far. He doesn't have the upside that Ingram and Ball do. But he has been the better (and healthier) player so far.

The Pels did have some leverage because they could have waited until after the draft to see if anyone was willing to risk a 1 year rental for a possible title run. If Kawhi chooses to stay, that may have emboldened someone to take a shot.

But yeah, most of the leverage was with the Lakers. Especially when the Celtics chose not to offer Tatum.

trojanfan12 · Jun 18, 2019

Gman said:
Probably by conceding those rights-to-swap-picks down the line.

I don't think it was actually a pick swap, I think the Pels have the right to defer the pick (maybe that's basically the same thing?).

But yeah, I'm pretty sure that you're right that it had to do with the picks.

Stakesarehigh · Jun 18, 2019

Anyway I'm not saying the Lakers lost just that given the situation the Pels made out very well.

They didn't get superstar for superstar but if they get at least a solid starter out of the 4 they and some serviceable depth from the other two they are doing ok with this deal.

So Knicks was DSJ, Knox, Robinson and the 3 right?

trojanfan12 · Jun 18, 2019

Stakesarehigh said:
Anyway I'm not saying the Lakers lost just that given the situation the Pels made out very well.

They didn't get superstar for superstar but if they get at least a solid starter out of the 4 they and some serviceable depth from the other two they are doing ok with this deal.

So Knicks was DSJ, Knox, Robinson and the 3 right?

Yeah, I think this was a win-win situation.

End of the day, the Lakers probably gave up a little more than they absolutely had to and the Pels got less than they would have if the market hadn't dried up on them.

Both teams got what they needed and both can claim they "won" the trade.

Yes, I think that was the Knicks offer, but from what I understand, they never fully engaged and the Pels never really gave them serious consideration. It was the Lakers and Celtics and apparently Ainge blinked first, so to speak.

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