Who won the trade?

broncosmitty · Jun 16, 2019

flyerhawk said:
Dwayne Wade is a 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

Prolly, yeah.

So are a number of players less dynamic than Davis.

PEOPLESCHICKEN · Jun 16, 2019

broncosmitty said:
Trading for picks is never a good idea. 2/3 will be low value.

And New Orleans isn't going to ever be a winner. Nobody will stick around that shithole long enough for it to happen if they did hit on the picks.

Nice job by NO for continuing to play along though. Inconsequential franchises are necessary. Like Milwaukee, Washington and Sacramento.

AND.....

Charlotte...and Utah...and Seattle (oh, sorry)

PEOPLESCHICKEN · Jun 16, 2019

flyerhawk said:
Dwayne Wade is a 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

That is obvious, but he is not one of the greatest players of all time, in fact far from it

Bolts · Jun 16, 2019

ChiefsLakers67 said:
haters gonna hate...

BSpn says "contender"...

Buckalis says "loser"...

not sure here, but I know which one I'D listen to for now...

You shouldn't listen to either

Bart · Jun 16, 2019

broncosmitty said:
He might be better.

Never before in his career has he played with a teammate as dynamic as AD. No offense to DWade

Wade was a bit washed up when he played with Lebron.

broncosmitty · Jun 16, 2019

LebronLakers said:
Wade was a bit washed up when he played with Lebron.

It was the end of his prime imo.

He still made All NBA the first three seasons they were together. (Even though he missed 30+ games in 11-12.) James is pretty good at making his teammates better.

LeBron knew when it wasn't worth sticking around with him anymore though. DWade lasted a lot longer than I ever thought he would. Man took a beating for years. One of the most physical guards I've ever seen.

Cyder · Jun 17, 2019

MHSL82 said:
Las Vegas and “sin” it all... was that a typo or a play on words for Sin City?

I wish I had done that on purpose but I didn't. I meant win

shopson67 · Jun 17, 2019

flyerhawk said:
Sure. Korver was a 15 minute a game guy who tended to feast off 2nd units.

You think that Lebron is just as effective now as he was 3 years ago?

If you're judging by season averages, he's still right on his average. His only issue last year was his drop in FT% and his first extended time lost to injury (shut down once the Lakers were out of real playoff contention).

shopson67 · Jun 17, 2019

TurnUpTheHeat said:
Im guessing Ball never plays a game for them.
We’ll see.

Lakers will happily trade a future 2nd for him next year (can't re-acquire this year). Love the kid, hate Lavar.

flyerhawk · Jun 17, 2019

shopson67 said:
If you're judging by season averages, he's still right on his average. His only issue last year was his drop in FT% and his first extended time lost to injury (shut down once the Lakers were out of real playoff contention).

I think he is still extremely effective as a player.

The question is how much can he carry a team now? Can he average 38 minutes a game of heavy usage still? That is highly debatable. And if the Lakers go for one more big name player and have essentially zero bench, they are going to need to rely on their big 3 to play big minutes.

shopson67 · Jun 17, 2019

flyerhawk said:
I think he is still extremely effective as a player.

The question is how much can he carry a team now? Can he average 38 minutes a game of heavy usage still? That is highly debatable. And if the Lakers go for one more big name player and have essentially zero bench, they are going to need to rely on their big 3 to play big minutes.

He doesn't need to now. He now has a young supermax-qualified teammate (even though the Lakers can't pay him that) to share that burden.

flyerhawk · Jun 17, 2019

shopson67 said:
He doesn't need to now. He now has a young supermax-qualified teammate (even though the Lakers can't pay him that) to share that burden.

The Lakers right now now have 5 players on their roster. 2 of them are guys I've never heard of.

If they max out their cap space on another star level player they might have a starting 5 that is elite but their bench will not even be paper thin.

Black Adam · Jun 17, 2019

flyerhawk said:
The Lakers right now now have 5 players on their roster. 2 of them are guys I've never heard of.

If they max out their cap space on another star level player they might have a starting 5 that is elite but their bench will not even be paper thin.

I think it'd be smart personally to look to some tier 2 players to round out the roster, but we'll see what they do...

shopson67 · Jun 17, 2019

flyerhawk said:
The Lakers right now now have 5 players on their roster. 2 of them are guys I've never heard of.

If they max out their cap space on another star level player they might have a starting 5 that is elite but their bench will not even be paper thin.

It depends. Vet free agents have always signed to superstar-based teams for the minimum; it's what the Warriors have depended on to fill out their teams. This would be a bit more extreme example, more like the superfriends Heat starting out (if that's the path forward). I'm sure the Lakers will try to get that 3rd big piece, but can then transition to the 3 or 4 smaller piece path to using up that cap space. You can always trade that 3rd star for pieces if needed, but it's a lot harder to trade those role players for a 3rd star.

flyerhawk · Jun 17, 2019

shopson67 said:
It depends. Vet free agents have always signed to superstar-based teams for the minimum; it's what the Warriors have depended on to fill out their teams. This would be a bit more extreme example, more like the superfriends Heat starting out (if that's the path forward). I'm sure the Lakers will try to get that 3rd big piece, but can then transition to the 3 or 4 smaller piece path to using up that cap space. You can always trade that 3rd star for pieces if needed, but it's a lot harder to trade those role players for a 3rd star.

Who were the notable FA guys the Warriors acquired on the cheap? Pachulia? McGee?

Right now the Lakers have zero point guards and zero centers. They could potentially get Kemba in to play point. But then you are looking at some pretty dubious prospects at the 5.

Can it work? Sure but it seems like Pelinka is going to need to absolutely nail some league minimum vets for that to happen.

flyerhawk · Jun 17, 2019

ChiefsLakers67 said:
I think it'd be smart personally to look to some tier 2 players to round out the roster, but we'll see what they do...

Kinda how I see it. They could burn all their cap space on Walker or they could get 3 guys at around 10 million each that will all be significant contributors.

Shanemansj13 · Jun 17, 2019

flyerhawk said:
Who were the notable FA guys the Warriors acquired on the cheap? Pachulia? McGee?

Right now the Lakers have zero point guards and zero centers. They could potentially get Kemba in to play point. But then you are looking at some pretty dubious prospects at the 5.

Can it work? Sure but it seems like Pelinka is going to need to absolutely nail some league minimum vets for that to happen.

Before KD:
MLE - Livingston
MLE - Speights
mini-MLE - Barbosa (he was the minimum the previous year)
minimum - Clark, Varejao, McAdoo

After KD:
MLE - Livingston
Minimum - David West, McGee, Clark, McCaw, Matt Barnes, Jordan Bell, Quinn Cook, Bogut, McKinnie, Jerebko
mini MLE - Cousins
mini MLE - Nick Young

Their whole bench minus Iggy at times was made up by either MLE, mini MLE but mainly minimum players.

CaptainStubing · Jun 17, 2019

in the short term, the lakers obviously won. however, if, in a few years, the lakers suck again after lebron retires, the pels may end up with some lottery draft picks in '22, '23', and '24

flyerhawk · Jun 17, 2019

Shanemansj13 said:
Before KD:
MLE - Livingston
MLE - Speights
mini-MLE - Barbosa (he was the minimum the previous year)
minimum - Clark, Varejao, McAdoo

After KD:
MLE - Livingston
Minimum - David West, McGee, Clark, McCaw, Matt Barnes, Jordan Bell, Quinn Cook, Bogut, McKinnie, Jerebko
mini MLE - Cousins
mini MLE - Nick Young

Their whole bench minus Iggy at times was made up by either MLE, mini MLE but mainly minimum players.

Jordan Bell, Quinn Cook, and McCaw were all either draft picks or traded for as draft picks.

Cousins was a unique situations.

How was Livingston an MLE when after KD when he was already on the team?

The Lakers literally emptied the cupboard and gave up their draft pick. They can't trade next year's 1st rounder or any other 1st in the foreseeable future. So that means they need to strike gold with their 2nd rounders. They don't even have a 2nd this year.

They are going to have about 30 million in cap space to spend on players plus the room MLE which is 4.5 million.

The assumption that they can just fill the roster with competent vets at the league minimum is optimistic to say the least.

WiggyRuss · Jun 17, 2019

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