Will AD want to be traded after this?

tlance · Jun 17, 2019

Gman said:
There are likely multiple factors that held Ainge back... but I think the absolute sourness of AD and his camp towards the prospect of playing in Boston is what ultimately kept Boston from going all-in. Especially in the wake of Kyrie and the non-basketball negatives that a guy like that brings into the equation. It was creating a toxic environment.

That being said... I disagree with the idea that AD, Horford, Brown and Hayward is not a contending core (objectively speaking). But a sour AD who is not all-in... ?... that uncertainty probably killed things.

Well, not sure you would have Brown.

Even then. Would require Horford and Hayward to play a lot a higher levels than they did last year.

Gman · Jun 17, 2019

tlance said:
Well, not sure you would have Brown.

We'll never know, of course... but there were a lot of indications out there that New Orleans really liked Tatum... that that was the guy who would have been a game changer.

I think Tatum plus would have done it.

tlance said:
Even then. Would require Horford and Hayward to play a lot a higher levels than they did last year.

Horford was/is fine. He is the ultimate team, glue, fits-in-well-in-almost-any-scenario guy.

Hayward slowly and steadily improved all last season... in the context of the devastating injury he had and the recovery from that, there is good reason to believe he'll be better in year 2 of that recovery.

I think those 4 are enough for being a serious title contender. The C's defense likely would have been very strong as well, anchored by a tough interior of Horford, Baynes and AD.

Anyways... this is all academic. :noidea:

shopson67 · Jun 17, 2019

buckalis said:
Work out what?

Them trying to BUY a championship because they can't WIN one?

Who cares? It's the NBA that will loose... Still I hope the Bucks will bully them next season!

Buy? You realize this was a trade, not a FA signing correct? That this move was done within the confines of the same cap that governs the Bucks? The Bucks team that was $20M over the cap last year? Were they buying their shot at the finals?

shopson67 · Jun 17, 2019

Gman said:
I don't follow you... Ainge has absolutely been willing to make the big move in the past.

Going after KG is probably the most relevant (though by no means only) example. KG and his agent made a bunch of noise that they wanted no part of Boston and Boston should not go after him... Ainge pulled the trigger anyways.

It's almost a perfect parallel for the pre-trade conditions in this AD saga.

The KG trade was a gift from Kevin McHale. The Lakers had the better offer to the Wolves to get KG.

WiggyRuss · Jun 17, 2019

The Los Angeles Lakers made a deal to acquire Anthony Davis on Saturday night. The 26-year-old superstar will be leaving the New Orleans Pelicans to join the Lakers, but not everyone thinks it's such a great long-term deal.

ESPN's Brian Windhorst is one of those people. The analyst called the haul New Orleans received "potentially scandalous" and compared it to the ill-fated trade between the Brooklyn Nets and Boston Celtics that accelerated the Celtics rebuild rapidly while doing long-term damage to the Nets franchise.

"What they gave up for him is potentially scandalous," Windhorst told ESPN 710 in Los Angeles (as transcribed by MassLive's John Karalis). "It is an unbelievable haul that they gave. And not all the details are out there yet, but when they get out there, you're going to see why. It is the Nets-Celtics trade part 2. It's going to affect them long after LeBron is out of his prime and maybe no longer on the team."

shopson67 · Jun 17, 2019

tlance said:
Right.

The difference is that minus Kyrie, the Celts don't have a contending core after dealing the pieces needed to land AD.

If they did, Ainge pulls the trigger and takes his chances.

I almost wish he had taken that chance. It would've been great to see AD leave next summer, leaving the Celtics roster barren. Lakers could then have kept another piece or two (and the picks) and signed him directly. They would've needed to move a few pieces for picks via trade to clear space, but it could've been done.

Gman · Jun 17, 2019

shopson67 said:
The KG trade was a gift from Kevin McHale. The Lakers had the better offer to the Wolves to get KG.

Maybe... but even if we grant that, it doesn't negate my point.

I think there was a definite possibility of Tatum getting traded... that was real... not just a charade, like you clearly suggest.

Gman · Jun 17, 2019

shopson67 said:
I almost wish he had taken that chance. It would've been great to see AD leave next summer, leaving the Celtics roster barren. Lakers could then have kept another piece or two (and the picks) and signed him directly. They would've needed to move a few pieces for picks via trade to clear space, but it could've been done.

At the same time, in that case the Lakers would have basically wasted another year of the few that LeBron has left.

The Lakers really needed to get this done now, and they did... so grudging kudos on that.

shopson67 · Jun 17, 2019

Gman said:
Maybe... but even if we grant that, it doesn't negate my point.

I think there was a definite possibility of Tatum getting traded... that was real... not just a charade, like you clearly suggest.

If he was scared away by the talk of walking this summer, that was known since his trade request. Thus, Tatum was never really on the table IMO, as the situation never really changed.

buckalis · Jun 17, 2019

shopson67 said:
Buy? You realize this was a trade, not a FA signing correct? That this move was done within the confines of the same cap that governs the Bucks? The Bucks team that was $20M over the cap last year? Were they buying their shot at the finals?

What are you talking about beats any reasoning in the world...

The Bucks HAVE A TEAM out of which 5 players (Giannis, Brogdon, Wilson, DDV & Brown) have never played with another NBA team before and Middleton has only played 27 games with the team he was drafted with, before he joined the Bucks in his rookie year... THAT MAKES 3 starters and 3 key rotation players being BUCKs GENERATIVE players and is only comparable with GSW... Understand now what the difference between winning a championship and BUYING one is?

Gman · Jun 17, 2019

shopson67 said:
If he was scared away by the talk of walking this summer, that was known since his trade request. Thus, Tatum was never really on the table IMO, as the situation never really changed.

The situation absolutely changed since AD's initial trade request.

The Celtics showed poorly in the playoffs.
Kyrie has shown more coldness and distance.

^ Both of those are connected, of course. If either or both of those goes differently, that totally might have changed the dynamics here.

shopson67 · Jun 17, 2019

Gman said:
At the same time, in that case the Lakers would have basically wasted another year of the few that LeBron has left.

The Lakers really needed to get this done now, and they did... so grudging kudos on that.

I'm not worried about wasting Lebron's remaining years, other than building the roster. If he never gets another championship doesn't matter to me as long as gets this roster back to where it needs to be. The Lakers now have their young/prime cornerstone in AD, and will either add another near-max guy this summer or an assortment of role players. Having AD here for likely the next 6 years (at least) bridges the Lebron years to the next guy to add to AD's team once Lebron leaves/retires at the end of his contract. Getting that young cornerstone to play with and beyond Lebron was the whole intent for me anyway. Gets the Lakers back on track to playoff relevancy for the long term.

shopson67 · Jun 17, 2019

buckalis said:
What are you talking about beats any reasoning in the world...

The Bucks HAVE A TEAM out of which 5 players (Giannis, Brogdon, Wilson, DDV & Brown) have never played with another NBA team before and Middleton has only played 27 games with the team he was drafted with, before he joined the Bucks in his rookie year... THAT MAKES 3 starters and 3 key rotation players being BUCKs GENERATIVE players and is only comparable with GSW... Understand now what the difference between winning a championship and BUYING one is?

Trading isn't buying. Do you need definitions? The Lakers amassed a collection of seeds and saplings to barter for the big shiny object.

If you're going to include Sterling Brown and DJ Wilson as key components of the Bucks roster, then I can claim the Lakers still likely have 4-5 such players in Kuzma, Wagner, Bonga, Caruso (FA), and Jemerrio Jones. Plus, Brogdon is not currently a member of the Bucks, but a RFA if we want to get into semantics.

buckalis · Jun 17, 2019

shopson67 said:
Trading isn't buying. Do you need definitions? The Lakers amassed a collection of seeds and saplings to barter for the big shiny object.

If you're going to include Sterling Brown and DJ Wilson as key components of the Bucks roster, then I can claim the Lakers still likely have 4-5 such players in Kuzma, Wagner, Bonga, Caruso (FA), and Jemerrio Jones. Plus, Brogdon is not currently a member of the Bucks, but a RFA if we want to get into semantics.

It's rather you that is confusing BUYING A CHAMPIONSHIP with WINNING ONE and trading for a player... There is nothing wrong to trade for a player and add to an existing roster... But trying to BUY a championship by abandoning all your roster and the work that has been put on it, only shows that you are incapable to originate the fundamentals of what makes a team and have no alternative but to buy what you can't create...

Black Adam · Jun 17, 2019

shopson67 · Jun 17, 2019

buckalis said:
It's rather you that is confusing BUYING A CHAMPIONSHIP with WINNING ONE and trading for a player... There is nothing wrong to trade for a player and add to an existing roster... But trying to BUY a championship by abandoning all your roster and the work that has been put on it, only shows that you are incapable to originate the fundamentals of what makes a team and have no alternative but to buy what you can't create...

The roster was not abandoned. It was nurtured until ready for market. The Lakers have always framed their teams around a dominant front court, back court tandem. They have that now, and will fill in the cracks around them a little better each year.

If the Bucks actually had what the Pels wanted in trade and AD wanted to go there, your team would've done what it could to get the deal done too. A roster built around AD, Giannis, and Brogdon would be awfully tough to deal with as Giannis improves his range.

tlance · Jun 17, 2019

buckalis said:
It's rather you that is confusing BUYING A CHAMPIONSHIP with WINNING ONE and trading for a player... There is nothing wrong to trade for a player and add to an existing roster... But trying to BUY a championship by abandoning all your roster and the work that has been put on it, only shows that you are incapable to originate the fundamentals of what makes a team and have no alternative but to buy what you can't create...

There is nothing wrong with any method of building a championship team as long as the franchise follows league rules.

You go to some pretty amazing lengths to distract from you being wrong.

Really, the degree to your astounding wrongness should be the focus of this thread.

Black Adam · Jun 17, 2019

tlance said:
There is nothing wrong with any method of building a championship team as long as the franchise follows league rules.

You go to some pretty amazing lengths to distract from you being wrong.

Really, the degree to your astounding wrongness should be the focus of this thread.

remember, TRADING in Buckalis' world is BUYING...

he believes heavily in conspiracy theories, too...

Shanemansj13 · Jun 17, 2019

buckalis said:
What are you talking about beats any reasoning in the world...

The Bucks HAVE A TEAM out of which 5 players (Giannis, Brogdon, Wilson, DDV & Brown) have never played with another NBA team before and Middleton has only played 27 games with the team he was drafted with, before he joined the Bucks in his rookie year... THAT MAKES 3 starters and 3 key rotation players being BUCKs GENERATIVE players and is only comparable with GSW... Understand now what the difference between winning a championship and BUYING one is?

Can we

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msgkings322 · Jun 17, 2019

Shanemansj13 said:
Can we this fuckface already lolzzz

I am strongly opposed to banning this guy or any of the other entertaining trolls here

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