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Cool. So you'll be ok if he does go to LA? Or is he going to be a scrub who you never wanted on the Sixers anyway?

Why don't you let me know right now so I can bookmark the post and bring it up when you're "not butthurt" again.

I have no idea where Butler is going to go. He may stay with the Sixers. The Sixers may not even offer him a contract.

He'll be a good player no matter where he winds up.

What are you going to say when neither Kemba or Butler or Kawhi come to the Lakers? It will be amusing hearing you tell us how Bogdonovich was the best player for the Lakers to get.
 
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I have no idea where Butler is going to go. He may stay with the Sixers. The Sixers may not even offer him a contract.

He'll be a good player no matter where he winds up.

What are you going to say when neither Kemba or Butler or Kawhi come to the Lakers? It will be amusing hearing you tell us how Bogdonovich was the best player for the Lakers to get.

Difference is, many Lakers fans including myself, feel like we've already got what we want, with AD.

The $23-$32m can be used on a single player or on multiple assets to help Lebron and AD

I dont think you'll find many fans who'll mind either route the Lakers take
 

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This is what Windhorst said about the trade...

Anthony Davis Trade: ESPN’s Brian Windhorst calls trade ‘potentially scandalous’ and ‘Nets-Celtics trade part 2’

“What they gave up for him is potentially scandalous,” he told ESPN 710 in Los Angeles. “It is an unbelievable haul that they gave. And not all the details are out there yet, but when they get out there, you’re going to see why. It is the Nets-Celtics trade part 2. It’s going to affect them long after LeBron is out of his prime and maybe no longer on the team.”
“What they gave was one of the most lopsided trades, in terms of draft compensation, in NBA history,” Windhorst said bluntly, adding that the Lakers seem to have given up control of their draft for the next five to seven years.

The Nets-Celtics trade is widely considered among the most lopsided in NBA history. What made it so lopsided was how many draft picks Boston controlled and for how long. Boston received three first rounders and a pick swap for a fourth. Boston ended up with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum with two of those picks, and they traded a third for Kyrie Irving. It seems that this trade may someday challenge that haul.

Considering the Lakers are already going to struggle to fill out their roster after the trade, this news brings up questions of whether Los Angeles gave up too much. The Pelicans, by going long with their pick haul from Los Angeles, are betting the Lakers front office will struggle to fill in those gaps.


If the Lakers are not able to build a strong team around Davis and LeBron James, who turns 35-years-old in December, the Pelicans might just have a pipeline to add strong young talent around Zion Williamson and the rest of the young players they added in this trade.

ESPN’s Brian Windhorst: Anthony Davis trade ‘potentially scandalous’ and ‘Nets-Celtics trade part 2’

Griffin is a very good GM, The pelicans turned a player that was leading them nowhere into a ton of assets. A lot of times when a player wants to leave you get close to nothing...

Ingram could be a nice player. Ball has a nutcase dad and hasnt done shit so far. Hart is a bench played. Depending on what they do with the #4 pick it’s a question mark at this point. While they get 3 future picks that will most likely be in the 22-30 range. They also have to pay Ingram around $20M a year when his contract is up.

If AD signs long-term in LA it is already a win for the Lakers. If the Lakers get one ship out of this deal it is a win. He got nice assets for AD but he is a once in a lifetime type of player. If you can pull a trade to possibly win a title now you do it.

That being said, I think both teams did what they wanted to do. It’s a win-win
 

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Honestly I think both teams got better .
 

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I think it depends on how the Lakers final roster looks.
I personally would look to add 2 players vs 1 more max.
I heard on radio Lakers could get both Reddick and Beverly.
That would really round out the roster IMO.

I know Brogdon is a RFA and not sure how much he would expect to make but I think they should make an offer on him. Bucks have to make some choice in FA and I’m sure he will be their #2 priority.

As far as UFA’s, I think Beverly would be a great fit. Redick would also be a nice fit alongside Lebron and AD, maybe they could get him for a little less if Philly decides to part ways.
 

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This is what Windhorst said about the trade...

Anthony Davis Trade: ESPN’s Brian Windhorst calls trade ‘potentially scandalous’ and ‘Nets-Celtics trade part 2’

“What they gave up for him is potentially scandalous,” he told ESPN 710 in Los Angeles. “It is an unbelievable haul that they gave. And not all the details are out there yet, but when they get out there, you’re going to see why. It is the Nets-Celtics trade part 2. It’s going to affect them long after LeBron is out of his prime and maybe no longer on the team.”
“What they gave was one of the most lopsided trades, in terms of draft compensation, in NBA history,” Windhorst said bluntly, adding that the Lakers seem to have given up control of their draft for the next five to seven years.

The Nets-Celtics trade is widely considered among the most lopsided in NBA history. What made it so lopsided was how many draft picks Boston controlled and for how long. Boston received three first rounders and a pick swap for a fourth. Boston ended up with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum with two of those picks, and they traded a third for Kyrie Irving. It seems that this trade may someday challenge that haul.

Considering the Lakers are already going to struggle to fill out their roster after the trade, this news brings up questions of whether Los Angeles gave up too much. The Pelicans, by going long with their pick haul from Los Angeles, are betting the Lakers front office will struggle to fill in those gaps.


If the Lakers are not able to build a strong team around Davis and LeBron James, who turns 35-years-old in December, the Pelicans might just have a pipeline to add strong young talent around Zion Williamson and the rest of the young players they added in this trade.

ESPN’s Brian Windhorst: Anthony Davis trade ‘potentially scandalous’ and ‘Nets-Celtics trade part 2’

Griffin is a very good GM, The pelicans turned a player that was leading them nowhere into a ton of assets. A lot of times when a player wants to leave you get close to nothing...
That's fine and good but the Nets traded for old dudes not a Top 5-7 NBA player and even with that the Cs haven't turned that "haul " into a single thing of note
 

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Well as long as you don't expect him to do anything else, that works. If, otoh, you want him to do things like play defense or roll off a pick and roll, you are outta luck.

Pretty much like Korver, and others who have thrived in that roll.
 

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Pretty much like Korver, and others who have thrived in that roll.

Sure. Korver was a 15 minute a game guy who tended to feast off 2nd units.

You think that Lebron is just as effective now as he was 3 years ago?
 

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Sure. Korver was a 15 minute a game guy who tended to feast off 2nd units.

You think that Lebron is just as effective now as he was 3 years ago?

I think if if you have LeBron and AD, they will draw most of the opponents attention.
Korver was just one example. Probably one of the poorer examples.
Both the Heat and Cavs found shooters that knew their role.
Im saying I think the Lakers now need more quantity then one more max player.
Just my opinion.
 

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I also heard they're looking at trading the #4 pick. Not sure if that's to get more picks or try and get good fast. Lebron is getting up there but let's see what an actual entire off season of rest does for him. Vegas already has the Lakers as 7-2 favorites to sin it all next year.

Las Vegas and “sin” it all... was that a typo or a play on words for Sin City?
 

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Lakers by a mile.

They gave up spare parts and got a Rolls-Royce in return.

Huge loss for the Pelicans. No matter what they were going to get was going to be a loss. You don't trade a top NBA players and come out ahead. But to get Ingram and Ball and a top 4 pick in a 3 player draft is a horrible return.

One of the keys to being a good NBA team these days is signing top vet players to top contracts.

One of the keys to being an NBA team stuck in medicrity is signing average players to bloated contracts. And that is the path they are now on with Ingram and Ball. Their GM is going to want to extend them at all costs to justify the return on this trade and they are the exact type of players good NBA teams avoid....average at best players that have enough hype behind them that they command top dollar extensions.

Quality does not top quality in trades....and this move was about quantity and not quality. They should have been able to do better. The only thing that could save them from continuing this mistake trade going forward is to package Ingram and Ball to other teams for different assets with better upside potential and not the type of trap these two players seem to me to be.
 

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Lakers by a mile.

They gave up spare parts and got a Rolls-Royce in return.

Huge loss for the Pelicans. No matter what they were going to get was going to be a loss. You don't trade a top NBA players and come out ahead. But to get Ingram and Ball and a top 4 pick in a 3 player draft is a horrible return.

One of the keys to being a good NBA team these days is signing top vet players to top contracts. One of the keys to being an NBA team stuck in medicrity is signing average players to bloated contracts. And that is the path they are now on with Ingram and Ball. Their GM is going to want to extend them at all costs to justify the return on this trade and they are the exact type of players good NBA teams avoid....average at best players that have enough hype behind them that they command top dollar extensions.

Im guessing Ball never plays a game for them.
We’ll see.
 

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I think if if you have LeBron and AD, they will draw most of the opponents attention.
Korver was just one example. Probably one of the poorer examples.
Both the Heat and Cavs found shooters that knew their role.
Im saying I think the Lakers now need more quantity then one more max player.
Just my opinion.

Oh I agree. I think the Lakers are much better off building the entire team than trying to bring in one more star level player.
 

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I have no idea where Butler is going to go. He may stay with the Sixers. The Sixers may not even offer him a contract.

He'll be a good player no matter where he winds up.

What are you going to say when neither Kemba or Butler or Kawhi come to the Lakers? It will be amusing hearing you tell us how Bogdonovich was the best player for the Lakers to get.
At least according to Woj, the Lakers are most likely only to have about 24M in cap room--- unless Davis declines his trade kicker, then they have 28.

Difference between what the Sixers can offer Butler and what the Lakers can offer is a shitload.

the Sixers can offer 5/190

the Lakers can offer, IF Davis declines his trade kicker, about 4 years 120.

After you consider the California taxes as the highest in the country.....thats a difference of about 80 million bucks.

IF, and thats a big IF, IF the Sixers offer him the 5 year max he would have to turn down a lot of $ to go to LA.
 

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IF, and thats a big IF, IF the Sixers offer him the 5 year max he would have to turn down a lot of $ to go to LA.

Agreed. The Sixers may not even offer Butler a real contract. I have no idea.
 
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