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Colorado's new HC wants the PAC-12 to pussify their scheduling

Kaplony

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Are you telling us that if the ACC & SEC move to a 9 game conference schedule that they can forego any decent OOC games? Explain that please.

Because as has been pointed out many times there are four teams in each conference that already play an in-state rival OOC every single year. Add in the ACC's arrangement with Notre Dame and the desire by all of thee schools to maintain seven home games each year and it's literally impossible for Clemson to do nine conference games, South Carolina and a second P5 OOC.
 

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Because as has been pointed out many times there are four teams in each conference that already play an in-state rival OOC every single year. Add in the ACC's arrangement with Notre Dame and the desire by all of thee schools to maintain seven home games each year and it's literally impossible for Clemson to do nine conference games, South Carolina and a second P5 OOC.
USC & Stanford play ND every year on top of a 9 game conference schedule and most every year they manage to fit in a home & away OOC with another P5. They've been doing it for years now.
 

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It fvcks the fans over bigly. I'd rather see the PAC not make the CFP then to see that conference cut off its testicles and water down the game.

They pretty much did that when they hired Larry Scott & went to a 9-game conference schedule.

How do you figure that? The PAC added two more teams (Colorado & Utah) so there was a need to move to a 9 game conference schedule.


Let me see if I can help.

@BamaDude is suggesting that playing an extra pac team Waters down the game because the pac sucks.

Or something like that.
 

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USC & Stanford play ND every year on top of a 9 game conference schedule and most every year they manage to fit in a home & away OOC with another P5. They've been doing it for years now.

Well when you average less than 60k attendance it's not anywhere near as much of a financial loss when you go from seven home games to six. When you seat 80k plus you are talking several million dollars of lost revenue for the athletic department on just tickets. When you add in concessions, parking, etc. it's pushing $10 million of lost revenue.

When the ACC tried to go to nine conference games the only G5 game we had scheduled that we dropped was Akron in order to keep the Georgia series because of fan uproar. The other series dropped were ones with Ole Miss and Oklahoma State. Then when the ACC wanted to add Notre Dame Clemson and FSU took a stand and said that unless Notre Dame was going to replace one of the nine conference games or the ACC replaced the lost revenue the years that we were forced to have fewer than seven home games that we would not be willing to play them and the ninth conference game was dropped.
 

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How do you figure that? The PAC added two more teams (Colorado & Utah) so there was a need to move to a 9 game conference schedule.

The PAC was already at a 9 game conference schedule before the expansion.
 

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It would take a lot of effort from the conferences, but ideally the P5 conferences could work out rotating home and home series schedule by some agreed upon criteria to get good matchups. I am thinking along the lines of how the ACC Big10 Challenge is set up in BB.
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But I think that would require each conference to have the same number of teams, which I am also totally for. But the NCAA is too scared to try and take away autonomy from the schools AND add more work for themselves.
 

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This is cherry picking, Washington beat a ranked Boise State in 2013, a ranked team is a ranked team no matter what bullshit label you give

Sorry partner, that's just not the case...Boise was ranked when they played the game...for that last time that year... Around these parts we only count teams that are ranked at the end of the year. They have however played a Boise team that was ranked at the end of the year...and lost, in 2012. They are equally adept at losing to ranked G5 teams. Since that fateful September day in 2001, they have only beaten that one ranked team...2010 Nebraska, who they beat 19-7 in their bowl game. Ironically, they also lost to that same Nebraska team earlier in the year 21-56, maybe they should ask for mulligans every year. In 6486 days, they have have played 21 ranked opponents. 17 P5 opponents and 4 G5 opponents. ONE win...PERIOD. getting outscored by and average score of 40-22.

They are however 1-0 vs ranked FCS opponents over that span...beating #4 Eastern Washington 59-52 in 2014...maybe the should considering dropping down to their level of incompetence.
 

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It's also their only ranked OOC win in the last 6486 days, lol.

That regular season streak will extend for at least another 451 days....because they don't have a P5 opponent scheduled this year. So their next opportunity will be Michigan in 2020...assuming they are ranked...here's hoping not.
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We've beat Miami 96-3 the last two times we've played and won five straight against VT by an average score of 34.4 to 16.4.

And in order to get what you desire we'll be giving up OOC series against P5 teams that have produced games like these:

Clemson 28 Texas A&M 26
Clemson 14 Auburn 6
Clemson 19 Auburn 13
Clemson 38 Georgia 35
Clemson 26 Auburn 19

Explain exactly why this is a good trade-off for fans.

I don't think one is a stretch if you stay at 8 conference games because that would total 10 P5 opponents which I think most teams play anyway (but I would have to check to be sure). And to be fair, in many upcoming schedules, it is like that with South Carolina every year and ND, LSU, UGA, and OU on upcoming schedules.

But 2021 is kind of f'ed up lol. Aside from South Carolina, who isn't great by any stretch of the imagination, Clemson also has scheduled Wyoming, UCONN, and SC State = :thumbsdown:

Either way... just gotta stop scheduling Wofford and Furman and I think Clemson is doing a good job actually though I would prefer every conference play 9 conference games.
 

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But I think that would require each conference to have the same number of teams, which I am also totally for. But the NCAA is too scared to try and take away autonomy from the schools AND add more work for themselves.

I would not want the NCAA involved. The conferences could bypass the NCAAA and do this on their own. This is the only way I want this to happen because I want the autonomy for the conferences. If you can get two P5 conferences to agree, they could start it with a two or three opening day matchups, one in each timeslot, and use the publicity to invite others in. IMHO TV contracts/revenue sharing would be the stumbling blocks,
 

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you guys have to admit that watching Oregon State and Arizona play each other is must watch TV. God bless the Pac-12 and their nine game conference schedule

:clap:
 

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Well when you average less than 60k attendance it's not anywhere near as much of a financial loss when you go from seven home games to six. When you seat 80k plus you are talking several million dollars of lost revenue for the athletic department on just tickets. When you add in concessions, parking, etc. it's pushing $10 million of lost revenue.

When the ACC tried to go to nine conference games the only G5 game we had scheduled that we dropped was Akron in order to keep the Georgia series because of fan uproar. The other series dropped were ones with Ole Miss and Oklahoma State. Then when the ACC wanted to add Notre Dame Clemson and FSU took a stand and said that unless Notre Dame was going to replace one of the nine conference games or the ACC replaced the lost revenue the years that we were forced to have fewer than seven home games that we would not be willing to play them and the ninth conference game was dropped.
in 17 on average Pac had higher average attendance than ACC so...
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But I think that would require each conference to have the same number of teams, which I am also totally for. But the NCAA is too scared to try and take away autonomy from the schools AND add more work for themselves.

there are 64 teams total in the P5 not counting Notre Dame because they do their own thing anyway. 32 games to line up
 

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But 2021 is kind of f'ed up lol. Aside from South Carolina, who isn't great by any stretch of the imagination, Clemson also has scheduled Wyoming, UCONN, and SC State = :thumbsdown:


Blame the ACC. They were the ones who gave us three Notre Dame games in four years and screwed up our OOC scheduling. We tried to find a P5 opponent to play in 2021 but nobody wanted to wait until 2024 for their return game.

Either way... just gotta stop scheduling Wofford and Furman and I think Clemson is doing a good job actually though I would prefer every conference play 9 conference games.
As long as the NCAA rules allow it Clemson is going to play the in-state FCS schools. The minute we stop for any reason other than a NCAA rules change is the instant the state legislature gets involved in our scheduling. Besides, Wofford and Furman bring more fans to Clemson than anyone in the ACC besides FSU, GT, and VT.
 

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in 17 on average Pac had higher average attendance than ACC so...

That's only because we have Duke and Wake with their tiny stadiums pulling our average down.

But despite not selling out a game last season Clemson averaged more than any Pac 12 team. Hell, we brought more fans to our game in Santa Clara than two Pac 12 teams did to your conference title game.
 

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you guys have to admit that watching Oregon State and Arizona play each other is must watch TV. God bless the Pac-12 and their nine game conference schedule

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about as exciting as Boston college and Louisville?
or kansas vs Texas Tech
Arkanas and Vandy
Rutgers vs Maryland

or anyother last place team vs a middle team. nice cherry pick
 

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so if there are 7 people at a BBQ and 5 Burgers did almost everyone get a burger?

I guess that would depend on whether or not anyone shared their burger(s).
 

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How do you figure that? The PAC added two more teams (Colorado & Utah) so there was a need to move to a 9 game conference schedule.
Actually, I believe the Pacifiers went to a 9-team conference schedule while they were still a 10-team league, then kept the same format after they added Colorado & Utah.

Other leagues managed to play 8 league games while fielding 12 teams, but it was beyond the Pac's means to do so, I suppose.
 

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Actually, I believe the Pacifiers went to a 9-team conference schedule while they were still a 10-team league, then kept the same format after they added Colorado & Utah.

Other leagues managed to play 8 league games while fielding 12 teams, but it was beyond the Pac's means to do so, I suppose.
Is a conference that refuses to play their own conference members a legit conference?
 

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They've been at a 9-game conference schedule long before Larry Scott.

I know. I'm just saying those two factors combined was what cut their cojones off. I didn't mean to imply that they occurred simultaneously.
 
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