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Odds to win the SB

Did Vegas get this right?

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  • Way off

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  • Pretty close except...

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you're not wrong. But its clear baker is more of a "passer" and dak is more of a "gamer". not saying thats bad......but in terms of passing, daks never gonna be in the top half of the league
agree with this, but he was pretty damn good as a rookie. He regressed year 2. Those against Baker are only hoping he does at this point.
 

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really? Didn't seem as if that was your point...oh well

to the question.....if nothing else, lack of ego and overall better talent thoughout their roster.

bottom line....paper means nothing, gotta play the games and as always health will have a say for all teams. I do think the Browns could have serious ego issues if things turn south early, which isn't the case in Dallas as shown last season.

nothing wrong with being a homer....Cleveland has been one of my favorite teams over the decades. Not a big fan of OBJ, nor Baker's antics. Time will tell
Still not sure how people get that Baker is an ego issue. Other than the staredown of Hue Jackson (which was awesome), he's done nothing but be a leader for his team. OBJ, we'll see. His main issues were with their playcalling and Eli's diminishing abilities, and having his best friend with him now should help calm things down I would guess. We'll see. There's a lot of reason to be excited, and if there's some cockiness along with it, I'm fine.
 

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where we agree is he needs to do it again.....but no reason to think he wont or that he can't do it better.

Agreed. Great year, but I saw Derek Anderson have a great year, so we'll see if he tears it up this year. Hope not, I fucking hate Cleveland, but haven't even had to bother to say that in a long time so I guess you're on the right track. Fuckers. :suds:
 

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Pick and choose all you want. Baker didn't show Elite traits.
Funny Daks numbers are right there with Baker and now he's has elite traits and in your opinion Dak is mediocre.

You need to lay off what ever shit you're smoking.
So, you don't think those stats are indicative of an elite QB in today's NFL? RZ rating, deep ball completions/%, handling pressure well. Those don't matter? For him to have those sort of rankings as a rookie, it's pretty phenomenal. It isn't as if he's a vet who is only now showing promise.

I honestly don't know where Dak rated in those metrics. I do know Baker was graded overall much better than Dak last year on PFF (84.5 overall grade compared to 74.6). I also know he graded much better than Dak in VOA and DVOA. What matters is if he declines over the next 2 years as Dak did compared to his rookie year. If he does, I'm going to be very disappointed.
 

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Agreed. Great year, but I saw Derek Anderson have a great year, so we'll see if he tears it up this year. Hope not, I fucking hate Cleveland, but haven't even had to bother to say that in a long time so I guess you're on the right track. Fuckers. :suds:
Have to say I was never sold on DA and didn't buy the hype. He was almost exact opposite as Baker. He was huge, but dumb as a box of rocks and inaccurate.

But a good point, as many bought in.
 

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Agreed. Great year, but I saw Derek Anderson have a great year, so we'll see if he tears it up this year. Hope not, I fucking hate Cleveland, but haven't even had to bother to say that in a long time so I guess you're on the right track. Fuckers. :suds:
Nobody has ever seen this. He was absolute trash that year. I hated that he ended up being a Pro Bowl alternate.
 

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So, you don't think those stats are indicative of an elite QB in today's NFL? RZ rating, deep ball completions/%, handling pressure well. Those don't matter? For him to have those sort of rankings as a rookie, it's pretty phenomenal. It isn't as if he's a vet who is only now showing promise.

I honestly don't know where Dak rated in those metrics. I do know Baker was graded overall much better than Dak last year on PFF (84.5 overall grade compared to 74.6). I also know he graded much better than Dak in VOA and DVOA. What matters is if he declines over the next 2 years as Dak did compared to his rookie year. If he does, I'm going to be very disappointed.
That's it right there at the end. I agree Dak was damn good as a rookie but we know he regressed. The anti-Baker posters are only hoping he does at this point.
 

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Nobody has ever seen this. He was absolute trash that year. I hated that he ended up being a Pro Bowl alternate.
I wouldn't call him trash, and many did buy in. But I was with you....never bought into him.
 

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I wouldn't call him trash, and many did buy in. But I was with you....never bought into him.
There were rumors floating around after that year that Atlanta was highly interested in him. Instead they drafted Matt Ryan, so it worked out fine for them in the end. I was so excited for them to trade him because I knew it was a aberration. I got into a big argument with a friend of mine about it, actually.
 

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That's it right there at the end. I agree Dak was damn good as a rookie but we know he regressed. The anti-Baker posters are only hoping he does at this point.
hard not to regress from the rookie season on a run first team, but actually his 3rd season was very good and just slightly below his rookie year. I agree his second season was not good after the Atlanta game. One could hardly blame him, cause he was darn near murdered in that game.

I'm not trashing Baker, he was outstanding. The only complaint I had was his ego and flamboyant play...which was based on what I saw at OU. Time will tell
 

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hard not to regress from the rookie season on a run first team, but actually his 3rd season was very good and just slightly below his rookie year. I agree his second season was not good after the Atlanta game. One could hardly blame him, cause he was darn near murdered in that game.

I'm not trashing Baker, he was outstanding. The only complaint I had was his ego and flamboyant play...which was based on what I saw at OU. Time will tell
I think this is largely what people who think he's an ego problem hold against him. He did nothing last year anywhere near some of the stuff he did at OU. He was a leader, and he's also done quite a few great things off the field for the city.
 

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I think this is largely what people who think he's an ego problem hold against him. He did nothing last year anywhere near some of the stuff he did at OU. He was a leader, and he's also done quite a few great things off the field for the city.
if Baker turns in to Baker at OU, it will be after playing lights out in the NFL.

I can't stand Rivers, but I respect his game
 

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Fair points, guess we'll wait and see.

Though I don't think Dak took over an 0-16 team and 1-31. His team was a year removed 12-4. sure 4-12 the previous season, but only because Romo went down.

True about the teams taken over, but the team Dak took over couldn't win with a QB not named Romo, and that 0-16 team Baker took over had quite a few additions besides Baker.
 

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you're not wrong. But its clear baker is more of a "passer" and dak is more of a "gamer". not saying thats bad......but in terms of passing, daks never gonna be in the top half of the league
More of a passer doesn't equal elite. Just off Bakers rookie season I have no issue saying hes a Franchise QB even though I thought otherwise pre draft.
I'm just not going to tag any of these young QBs elite until they play a few years.
 

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More of a passer doesn't equal elite. Just off Bakers rookie season I have no issue saying hes a Franchise QB even though I thought otherwise pre draft.
I'm just not going to tag any of these young QBs elite until they play a few years.
I’m not disagreeing with that sentiment
 

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So, you don't think those stats are indicative of an elite QB in today's NFL? RZ rating, deep ball completions/%, handling pressure well. Those don't matter? For him to have those sort of rankings as a rookie, it's pretty phenomenal. It isn't as if he's a vet who is only now showing promise.

I honestly don't know where Dak rated in those metrics. I do know Baker was graded overall much better than Dak last year on PFF (84.5 overall grade compared to 74.6). I also know he graded much better than Dak in VOA and DVOA. What matters is if he declines over the next 2 years as Dak did compared to his rookie year. If he does, I'm going to be very disappointed.
Ho look at Daks rookie numbers then try to find if I might have labeled him elite.

I'll help you out.
Daks rookie numbers are BETTER than Bakers and I never labeled him elite.

From the get go I said show me three years.
I expected Dak to take a backwards step in year two. and expected a bounce back year in year 3 with numbers somewhere in the middle of the two previous years.
He did that and I expect his numbers to climb again closer if not better than 2016. If this happens Dak will give defenses problems.
 

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Green Bay will always be relevant. The fact that we occupy your brain 24-7 is proof.
GB will always be relevant? Say that to fans who remember the 70's and 80's.

I know the truth can be difficult to face sometimes, but I'm confident you will find the fortitude to realize the Packers just aren't a good team anymore.

Besides, you're the one who brought up the Bears. I simply responded to your nonsensical quip.

Maybe you need to re-examine yourself and see what team is really occupying your head.
 

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You mean the one that has not taken place yet, so all we can go by is what has actually happened?

and I was right. You are "that guy".
Yes moron. It would be pretty easy to pick a fantasy QB using last years stats:L

You call someone out for not admitting something. Figure out you were the asshole and pretend you were right? You guys are coming out of the woodwork and rising to legendary asshole status real quick.
 

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Pick and choose all you want. Baker didn't show Elite traits.
Funny Daks numbers are right there with Baker and now he's has elite traits and in your opinion Dak is mediocre.

You need to lay off what ever shit you're smoking.

People that look at numbers too hard are doing it wrong LOL.

I hope other Cowboys fans dont see this comparison as a good thing. Dak’s numbers are similiar to a rookie’s numbers that had a team that lost their HC and OC, the year before one zero games and started 6 rookies on the team. Ohh and Baker only started 13 games lol...and Dak might get 30M/year. Yikes.

After the first couple games seeing Baker play I compared him to ARodg with less wheels. That’s how accurate he can be. Of course this will be in the future, so I think Baker can be elite. He isnt close to that level right now of course. He hasnt started one full year yet
 
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