LeBron James and Los Angeles Lakers Have Been Eliminated from Playoff Contention

dtgold88 · Mar 24, 2019

trojanfan12 said:
The Lakers had a realistic shot if they had been willing to give up the #2 pick in the draft for PG.

I had thought that the Pacers wanted more of the young guys, but from what @bksballer89 showed me and assuming the Pacers were being truthful, if the Lakers had been willing to include the #2 pick with whatever players were already in the deal, they'd have sent PG to LA.

Based on what PG said, even if the Pacers weren't being truthful, if the Lakers had included the #2 pick, then he may have come to LA. At the very least, it would have made it harder for him to turn them down.

I think that it was pretty shortsighted on his part and that he's unlikely to win a title any time soon because of it. But from what has been said, it looks like the #2 pick was more than the Lakers were willing to give up and he felt they didn't try hard enough.

Another Magic blunder?

trojanfan12 · Mar 24, 2019

dtgold88 said:
Another Magic blunder?

In hindsight, yes. At the time, not necessarily.

They thought they were getting PG in the off-season, so from their point of view, they had the opportunity to land PG and either get a really good player in the draft, or trade the pick to add another good player. Unless PG said something to them about not including that pick, they had no real reason to believe he wasn't coming.

Personally, if I'm the GM, I probably go ahead and include the pick just to eliminate the possibility of not getting him. But I completely understand why they didn't want to.

I also think it was shortsighted on PG's part because he expected them to include an asset that could have been used to improve the team even more after already improving it by adding him. Why would he want to limit that?

Now, if it comes out later that he told them that he would consider them not making the best offer possible to get him as some sort of insult that could prevent him from coming as a free agent and they ignored it...that would be a huge mistake.

podsox · Mar 24, 2019

I enjoyed windhorses piece on sports center blaming everybody but lebron

Hitman Hart · Mar 24, 2019

podsox said:
I enjoyed windhorses piece on sports center blaming everybody but lebron

best part of that video is that we didn't actually have to look at Brian Windhorst

Bart · Mar 24, 2019

dtgold88 said:
Another Magic blunder?

Yes, a Magic blunder. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Magic isn't experienced enough to understand that opportunities to sign top players don't come around frequently, he needed to take that opportunity because the future is uncertain. Now, he did the same with Kawhi, what a true dipshit.

trojanfan12 · Mar 24, 2019

LebronLakers said:
Yes, a Magic blunder. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Magic isn't experienced enough to understand that opportunities to sign top players don't come around frequently, he needed to take that opportunity because the future is uncertain. Now, he did the same with Kawhi, what a true dipshit.

Actually, he didn't do the same with Kawhi. Pop was never going to trade Kawhi to the Lakers.

Bart · Mar 24, 2019

trojanfan12 said:
Actually, he didn't do the same with Kawhi. Pop was never going to trade Kawhi to the Lakers.

Why? Didn't want him in the same conference?

dtgold88 · Mar 24, 2019

trojanfan12 said:
Actually, he didn't do the same with Kawhi. Pop was never going to trade Kawhi to the Lakers.

I don't believe that for a second. Unless you mean because LA couldn't offer enough. If the Lakers had the best package I believe Pop makes the deal.

Bart · Mar 24, 2019

dtgold88 said:
I don't believe that for a second. Unless you mean because LA couldn't offer enough. If the Lakers had the best package I believe Pop makes the deal.

I agree, there is some posturing going on with these negotiations to get the best deal. Once a very attractive deal is presented, any team is going to bite but I don't know if the Lakers had enough assets without getting another team involved.

trojanfan12 · Mar 24, 2019

LebronLakers said:
Why? Didn't want him in the same conference?

Didn't want him in the same conference and didn't want him to go to a team that caused the Spurs a fair amount of heartache.

If not for the Shaq/Kobe Lakers and to a lesser extent, the Kobe/Pau Lakers, the Spurs may well have at least a couple more titles.

Plus, the Raptors could make a better offer than the Lakers because they could include DeRozan who was a proven player. The Lakers had draft picks and kids. Pop is too old to be dealing with draft picks and kids.

Wamu · Mar 24, 2019

trojanfan12 said:
Actually, he didn't do the same with Kawhi. Pop was never going to trade Kawhi to the Lakers.

I agree. Why would Pop trade Kawhi to a conference rival?

trojanfan12 · Mar 24, 2019

dtgold88 said:
I don't believe that for a second. Unless you mean because LA couldn't offer enough. If the Lakers had the best package I believe Pop makes the deal.

A little of both. The Lakers are a rival to the Spurs (or have been anyway) and are in the same conference. Pop didn't want to help the Lakers in any way if he could avoid it without looking stupid.

Because they could offer a proven player like DeRozan and Pop is close to retirement, he wasn't going to want to take the time to develop the kids and draft picks that the Lakers would have sent him.

If the Spurs were looking to rebuild, Pop might have taken the Lakers offer. But with him wanting to win now...he wasn't going to.

dtgold88 · Mar 24, 2019

LebronLakers said:
I agree, there is some posturing going on with these negotiations to get the best deal. Once a very attractive deal is presented, any team is going to bite but I don't know if the Lakers had enough assets without getting another team involved.

That last part is what the real issue was IMO.

dtgold88 · Mar 24, 2019

trojanfan12 said:
Didn't want him in the same conference and didn't want him to go to a team that caused the Spurs a fair amount of heartache.

If not for the Shaq/Kobe Lakers and to a lesser extent, the Kobe/Pau Lakers, the Spurs may well have at least a couple more titles.

Plus, the Raptors could make a better offer than the Lakers because they could include DeRozan who was a proven player. The Lakers had draft picks and kids. Pop is too old to be dealing with draft picks and kids.

I think as stated it's the last part being the reason. If LA had the best package Kawhi is a Laker.

dtgold88 · Mar 24, 2019

Wamu said:
I agree. Why would Pop trade Kawhi to a conference rival?

If they had the best package, why not? You would make your team worse than they could be by trading him to the East for lesser players because of one team in the West?

dtgold88 · Mar 24, 2019

trojanfan12 said:
A little of both. The Lakers are a rival to the Spurs (or have been anyway) and are in the same conference. Pop didn't want to help the Lakers in any way if he could avoid it without looking stupid.

Because they could offer a proven player like DeRozan and Pop is close to retirement, he wasn't going to want to take the time to develop the kids and draft picks that the Lakers would have sent him.

If the Spurs were looking to rebuild, Pop might have taken the Lakers offer. But with him wanting to win now...he wasn't going to.

Of course....but this means he didn't deal with LA because their offer was not good enough. I'm sure if Derozan was a Laker and the same offer is made, Kawhi is a Laker.

Wamu · Mar 24, 2019

dtgold88 said:
If they had the best package, why not? You would make your team worse than they could be by trading him to the East for lesser players because of one team in the West?

Tell me who on the Lakers is better than DeRozan.

dtgold88 · Mar 24, 2019

Wamu said:
Tell me who on the Lakers is better than DeRozan.

No one but that's not the point. If you want to tell me he didn't trade him to LA because LA did not have the better package I would agree 100%.

But you said he would not trade him to LA to get him out of the West. IF LA did have Derozan, Kawhi is a Laker.

You asked "why would Pop trade him to a conference rival"? The answer is because the rival made the best offer.

trojanfan12 · Mar 24, 2019

dtgold88 said:
I think as stated it's the last part being the reason. If LA had the best package Kawhi is a Laker.

It would have depended on how much better the offer was. If it was close, he wasn't sending Kawhi to the Lakers. But if there was enough of a difference that he would have looked stupid not taking it, then he would have bitten the bullet and taken the deal.

And the Lakers offer wasn't bad either. If the Spurs were looking to rebuild, then the Lakers likely had the better offer and probably by enough to get Pop to deal with them.

But, the Spurs weren't looking to rebuild, so the Raptors offer was better for them.

Wamu · Mar 24, 2019

dtgold88 said:
No one but that's not the point. If you want to tell me he didn't trade him to LA because LA did not have the better package I would agree 100%.

But you said he would not trade him to LA to get him out of the West. IF LA did have Derozan, Kawhi is a Laker.

You asked "why would Pop trade him to a conference rival"? The answer is because the rival made the best offer.

The end of your comment makes no sense. So you say the answer is the rival made the best offer yet Kawhi was traded to the EC. I don't see how you can say the rival made the better offer.

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