Is Bochy a HOFer?

calsnowskier · Feb 19, 2019

With his retirement announcement, I was wondering what baseball fans in general thought. Giants fans are pretty unanimous, I think, in saying that he is. But is that overly homeristic, or is it realistic?

As it stands now, he is #11 in all time wins at 1926, 82 behind #10, Leo Durocher. Every manager with more wins than him is already in the Hall. He is 3-1 in the World Series.

However, his regular season win percentage is only .498 (160th among managers with at least 315 games - 324 managers). He did manage the Padres for 12 years, though, and came to Giants just in time for the post-Barry years.

Chewbaccer · Feb 19, 2019

Yes. 3 time champ. Nuff said.

Tidergirl · Feb 19, 2019

Chewbaccer said:
Yes. 3 time champ. Nuff said.

Wasnt he the manager if the Padres when they played the Yankees in the WS as well. I mean 3 rings and he took SD to the Ws. Hes in.

Rod Freakin' Dangerfield · Feb 19, 2019

Yes. Will go in as quickly as Cox & La Russa did.

MilkSpiller22 · Feb 19, 2019

I honestly don't know...

on one hand 3 WS and 4 pennants are a great achievement... and clearly better than most have ever done...

But having a losing record is pretty bad...

not to mention west coast bias... I mean, ask the average fan... they don't just not know most team managers, but the west coast ones even less so...

and personally, I don't trust anyone named Bruce!!!

SU Nittany Tide · Feb 19, 2019

Three world series with that team? Why wouldn't he be? How many hall of fame players were on that team? Posey maybe? Am I missing people off the top of my head?

calsnowskier · Feb 19, 2019

SU Nittany Tide said:
Three world series with that team? Why wouldn't he be? How many hall of fame players were on that team? Posey maybe? Am I missing people off the top of my head?

Bum and Posey are the only ones with a real shot. Although Cain and Timmeh deserve mention.

JohnU · Feb 19, 2019

In principle, yes, he's worthy of a spot next to the other modern contributors.
I don't see him as especially unique, though one could argue about any manager on that level.
Hell, Stengel was the best ever when he had the best team. With the Mets, he's a complete laughing stock.
If Bochy goes into the H of F, it's because he's respected ... so that's criteria enough.

tducey · Feb 19, 2019

One of the better managers in recent memory. A Hall of Famer if you ask me.

Mondo Jay · Feb 19, 2019

Montalban · Feb 19, 2019

calsnowskier said:
With his retirement announcement, I was wondering what baseball fans in general thought. Giants fans are pretty unanimous, I think, in saying that he is. But is that overly homeristic, or is it realistic?

As it stands now, he is #11 in all time wins at 1926, 82 behind #10, Leo Durocher. Every manager with more wins than him is already in the Hall. He is 3-1 in the World Series.

However, his regular season win percentage is only .498 (160th among managers with at least 315 games - 324 managers). He did manage the Padres for 12 years, though, and came to Giants just in time for the post-Barry years.

I think yes. He has 3 World Series titles which I don't think many managers have and I read something about the significance of having 2000 victories when he quits? Can't remember what it was.

Bmurph · Feb 19, 2019

No doubt

msgkings322 · Feb 19, 2019

MilkSpiller22 said:
I honestly don't know...

on one hand 3 WS and 4 pennants are a great achievement... and clearly better than most have ever done...

But having a losing record is pretty bad...

not to mention west coast bias... I mean, ask the average fan... they don't just not know most team managers, but the west coast ones even less so...

and personally, I don't trust anyone named Bruce!!!

Bruce Wayne is a big ol' liar true. But what did Bruce Lee ever do to you? Bruce Willis steal your girl?

The Derski · Feb 19, 2019

Bochy is HOF worthy for sure. It’s just crazy how a 5 year stretch can validate your whole career. Those 5 years happened quick. It’s a lot different than the years of sustained success we’re used to for HOf’ers. Winning the the grand daddy three times in a 5 year span. That speaks for itself.

msgkings322 · Feb 19, 2019

The Derski said:
Bochy is HOF worthy for sure. It’s just crazy how a 5 year stretch can validate your whole career. Those 5 years happened quick. It’s a lot different than the years of sustained success we’re used to for HOf’ers. Bochy won the the grand daddy three times in a 5 year span. That speaks for itself.

He had success at other points in his career too, like 1998

The Derski · Feb 19, 2019

msgkings322 said:
He had success at other points in his career too, like 1998

I fully agree that Bochy is a deserving HOFer. 3 titles in 5 years without the media slobber and payroll of an AL East team is infinitely impressive.

msgkings322 · Feb 19, 2019

The Derski said:
I fully agree that Bochy is a deserving HOFer. 3 titles in 5 years without the media slobber and payroll of an AL East team is infinitely impressive.

Not just titles, he was very important to winning them. The manager doesn't always matter and bad ones win titles all the time (Guillen, Yost). But for the Giants, who were underdogs in every playoff series of their runs, Bochy's pen management was off the charts outstanding and a major part of their wins. In 2014 he literally stole that title from Yost in game 4. Or rather Yost handed it to him when he didn't put in one of his big 3 relievers in the 5th inning to take a 3-1 series lead.

Bochy is a lock first ballot HOFer

navamind · Feb 19, 2019

the only thing that might keep him out is a rather subpar record (lifetime .498; .502 in SF), though I wouldn't really pin those bad teams on him either (2002-2003, 2007-08, 2017). The 2007-2008 Giants lineups were pretty god awful.

no complaints if he makes it, hell of a career

broncosmitty · Feb 27, 2019

He'd be the third HOF manager with a losing record. (Bucky Harris and Connie Mack)

If the Giants finish 2019 more than six games under .500, he'd be the first without a winning record for any team managed. (Mack was over .500 with the Pirates, as player/manager. Harris was .500 with the Red Sox and over with the Yankees.)

I assume he gets in, eventually.

Omar 382 · Feb 28, 2019

broncosmitty said:
He'd be the third HOF manager with a losing record. (Bucky Harris and Connie Mack)

If the Giants finish 2019 more than six games under .500, he'd be the first without a winning record for any team managed. (Mack was over .500 with the Pirates, as player/manager. Harris was .500 with the Red Sox and over with the Yankees.)

I assume he gets in, eventually.

Great info.

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