Help me square this circle

msgkings322 · Feb 9, 2019

MLB is totally pushing for more offense: almost added a DH to the NL, juiced the ball, considering banning the shift). This is not really in question.

But what's the other thing MLB is obsessed with...oh right, making the games shorter

Um, Rob buddy? More runs makes games longer. Want a quick 2 hour game? How about a 2-0 Mark Buehrle shutout?

More scoring, shorter games. Pick ONE.

broncosmitty · Feb 9, 2019

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Call higher strikes. Have fun going for launch angle around your nipples. I'd also settle for increasing yelling and screaming by getting rid of replay. And limiting pitching changes in some way, so teams without starting pitching can't pretend to be competitive. None of those would shorten games, I know.

Beaker · Feb 9, 2019

"Shorter games" shouldn't be the goal. The goal should simply be games with less dead air and more action. No one would mind long games if those games are spent watching plays rather than watching pitching changes, challenges and time outs

calsnowskier · Feb 9, 2019

Getting rid of replay is done. Just make a few minor changes...

Publish who is “in the booth”. Transparency is good for the game. This would get rid of “the boogie man”.

Once “the booth” gets the play, limit the main decision to 60 seconds. If you can’t tell in 1 minute, it was too close. If they need longer to determine all the ramifications, fine. But 1 min limit for “Confirm” or “Overturn”.

More cameras. Views down the foul lines and at the top of the wall in the OF will make those border calls much clearer.

JohnU · Feb 9, 2019

I would support more interesting games, the length being of some concern depending on if I am at the ballpark or on a barstool. Years back, there was plenty of scoring and 2:30 games.

A 5-pitch at-bat now takes 8 minutes. The umps are jerking off and not managing that. They have the authority without some nerd-based millennial advocating some change-of-pace bullshit for a game he never played.

Just make pitchers pitch and hitters get in the fuckin' box and hit. Stop calling strikes that are up around the neck or so low they are pecker-high to a duck.

The runs per game is still not that much. This isn't slow pitch.

DragonfromTO · Feb 10, 2019

broncosmitty said:
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Call higher strikes. Have fun going for launch angle around your nipples. I'd also settle for increasing yelling and screaming by getting rid of replay. And limiting pitching changes in some way, so teams without starting pitching can't pretend to be competitive. None of those would shorten games, I know.

Limiting pitching changes would, don't sell yourself short like that :wink:

Chewbaccer · Feb 10, 2019

I'd limit the roster expansions in September.

The Phillies using a full 40 man roster with like 20 relievers in September last season was ridiculous, and Gabe Kapler would use as many of them as he could.

I like the proposed 3 batter minimum for new pitchers entering the game. You're in the majors, you should be able to get outs from both sides of the plate.

SteelersPride · Feb 10, 2019

No fixing of ur jock, gloves, sleeves, hat, helmet will take
An hour off the game

Chewbaccer · Feb 10, 2019

SteelersPride said:
No fixing of ur jock, gloves, sleeves, hat, helmet will take
An hour off the game

You can thank Nomar Garciaparra's OCD ass for that. Had the longest ABs ever, and MLB let it slide.

Hopefully they crack down on it.

But with the rules in place in the minors, the next generation should't have the same issues.

The 20 second pitch clock being used should have pitchers working faster out of force of habit by the time they get to the bigs even if a pitch clock isn't used in MLB(and I don't think there should be, at least not with runners on)

calsnowskier · Feb 10, 2019

Chewbaccer said:
I'd limit the roster expansions in September.

The Phillies using a full 40 man roster with like 20 relievers in September last season was ridiculous, and Gabe Kapler would use as many of them as he could.

I like the proposed 3 batter minimum for new pitchers entering the game. You're in the majors, you should be able to get outs from both sides of the plate.

That is one of the proposed changes I really like. I believe the proposed change is to go to a 28 man active roster for games in Sept and Oct. You can still have the “taxi squad” to have the 40 players with the team, but only 28 would be eligible per game. The PA should be fine with it, as long as anyone on the taxi squad still gets paid.

The Q · Feb 10, 2019

msgkings322 said:
MLB is totally pushing for more offense: almost added a DH to the NL, juiced the ball, considering banning the shift). This is not really in question.

But what's the other thing MLB is obsessed with...oh right, making the games shorter

Um, Rob buddy? More runs makes games longer. Want a quick 2 hour game? How about a 2-0 Mark Buehrle shutout?

More scoring, shorter games. Pick ONE.

They want to improve the pace of the game. And want more action. Lower the mound and add the dh and you’ll have more balls in play. Probably.

Runs aren’t up, but action is way down.

The Q · Feb 10, 2019

broncosmitty said:
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Call higher strikes. Have fun going for launch angle around your nipples. I'd also settle for increasing yelling and screaming by getting rid of replay. And limiting pitching changes in some way, so teams without starting pitching can't pretend to be competitive. None of those would shorten games, I know.

I agree they are not calling the heater at the letters.

calsnowskier · Feb 10, 2019

The Q said:
They want to improve the pace of the game. And want more action. Lower the mound and add the dh and you’ll have more balls in play. Probably.

Runs aren’t up, but action is way down.

They should just get rid of lineups entirely. Allow teams to send up whoever they want in any situation. That would improve offense.

The Q · Feb 10, 2019

calsnowskier said:
They should just get rid of lineups entirely. Allow teams to send up whoever they want in any situation. That would improve offense.

Not looking to improve offense. Trying to Add more contac and action.

4500 pas by pitchers with a 297 ops

black francis · Feb 10, 2019

Chewbaccer said:
You can thank Nomar Garciaparra's OCD ass for that. Had the longest ABs ever, and MLB let it slide.

Hopefully they crack down on it.

But with the rules in place in the minors, the next generation should't have the same issues.

The 20 second pitch clock being used should have pitchers working faster out of force of habit by the time they get to the bigs even if a pitch clock isn't used in MLB(and I don't think there should be, at least not with runners on)

Mike Hargrove 30+ years ago was just as bad.

I'd rather see them ban the Wave than do anything to the on-field product

Chewbaccer · Feb 10, 2019

black francis said:
Mike Hargrove 30+ years ago was just as bad.

I'd rather see them ban the Wave than do anything to the on-field product

MLB made commercials and used Nomar's delay tactics as a marketing tool. They embraced it, and that lead to others doing the same thing.

tomcat1 · Feb 10, 2019

msgkings322 said:
MLB is totally pushing for more offense: almost added a DH to the NL, juiced the ball, considering banning the shift). This is not really in question.

But what's the other thing MLB is obsessed with...oh right, making the games shorter

Um, Rob buddy? More runs makes games longer. Want a quick 2 hour game? How about a 2-0 Mark Buehrle shutout?

More scoring, shorter games. Pick ONE.

Most people like to see a lot of runs scored but personally I like to see a 2-1 game like many Gibson vs. Koufax games. Heck, bring back Greg Maddux and the game will be played in one hour and 30 minutes.

black francis · Feb 10, 2019

Chewbaccer said:
MLB made commercials and used Nomar's delay tactics as a marketing tool. They embraced it, and that lead to others doing the same thing.

Did they really? I don't remember that at all.

Beaker · Feb 10, 2019

Chewbaccer said:
I like the proposed 3 batter minimum for new pitchers entering the game. You're in the majors, you should be able to get outs from both sides of the plate.

I kind of like that idea simply from a strategy perspective, even disregarding pace of play. It would present really interesting decisions for both pitching and pinch hitting.

Only problem I see is pitchers faking an injury. Perhaps give the next batter a base if the pitcher can't get through the requisite 3 hitters or something

Chewbaccer · Feb 10, 2019

Beaker said:
I kind of like that idea simply from a strategy perspective, even disregarding pace of play. It would present really interesting decisions for both pitching and pinch hitting.

Only problem I see is pitchers faking an injury. Perhaps give the next batter a base if the pitcher can't get through the requisite 3 hitters or something

Just me personally, I'd like to return to a game where the starters are expected to go 7+ most every game. The DH is coming to the NL soon whether we like it or not(I don't, but there's not a damn thing I can do about it), but in the meantime, not being able to pinch hit for you lefty specialist would cut down on a lot of 2 out pitching changes.

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