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AD will not sign extension and has requested a trade.

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Not many teams are in the position of offering a "lowball" offer that's better than any other offer out there.

So it's an interesting situation.
Meh....

Brown doesn't move the needle for me in a trade for a Superstar.

Nice player.

But, his ceiling is possible All star.

So, not that interesting for me.
 

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Perhaps. I'm not sold on the necessity of yet, frankly.

Even when we rack our brains for other possibilities, I don't see any that outclass the package I proposed there. Most don't even come close.

Maybe if Philly were willing to trade Simmons... ?... but I don't think they are.

The Celtics offers without Tatum are not nearly as compelling. The Celtics have a lot of assets to offer but none that are likely to be all-stars. Maybe Brown could develop into one but he's in a bit of a swale as far as trade value goes.

The Knicks could make a pretty compelling offer especially if they get a top 3 pick. The Lakers are probably in the same conversation as the Celtics sans Tatum.

The Clippers could make a pretty interesting deal as well. Nuggets.

Celtics will definitely be a leader in the chase but I would imagine that the Pels would sooner demand Tatum than a few late lottery picks.
 

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The Celtics offers without Tatum are not nearly as compelling. The Celtics have a lot of assets to offer but none that are likely to be all-stars. Maybe Brown could develop into one but he's in a bit of a swale as far as trade value goes.

The Knicks could make a pretty compelling offer especially if they get a top 3 pick. The Lakers are probably in the same conversation as the Celtics sans Tatum.

The Clippers could make a pretty interesting deal as well. Nuggets.

Celtics will definitely be a leader in the chase but I would imagine that the Pels would sooner demand Tatum than a few late lottery picks.
You criticize the C's offer I proposed there as one without likely all-stars... and then proceed to talk about a bunch of offers that don't include anything in the way of all-star potential (aside from the hypothetical top 3 pick). :noidea:

The Clippers potential deal @Mecca already described as crap.

I'll give you the Nuggets... they are the only potential trading partner I've seen hypothesized on a par with what the Celtics can do. It'd be interesting to know what AD thinks about Denver and what Denver thinks about their potential to resign him.
 

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Why on earth would Boston do that?

But, I like it for the Pelicans.

Roster spots for those extra 4 guys is problematic.
They get rid of Gordons horrible contract. He looks miserable on the bench. Jrue is one of the best 2 ways in the league. Since they cant trade for him now and they get to keep their picks. Pels get a bunch of good young players, beats drafting on luck IMO. Brandon just continues to get better. Terry looks like he just wants to start also. Although you can swap Jaylen and Terry but i think Jaylen is on his last year.

Starting lineups for hte pels could be

Lonzo, Terry(or Jaylen), Ingram, Randle, Zubac.


I just think Boston should get in on any trade now. I feel like they dont have to sacrifice a pick, or two many picks. Why in the hell not get rid of Gordons bloated ass contract and swap it for a great Guard. Keep most, if not all those picks.
 

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You criticize the C's offer I proposed there as one without likely all-stars... and then proceed to talk about a bunch of offers that don't include anything in the way of all-star potential (aside from the hypothetical top 3 pick). :noidea:

The Clippers potential deal @Mecca already described as crap.

I'll give you the Nuggets... they are the only potential trading partner I've seen hypothesized on a par with what the Celtics can do. It'd be interesting to know what AD thinks about Denver and what Denver thinks about their potential to resign him.
Yeah, Clippers are crap because Tobias can simply walk.

I like Denver.

I like the Celtics with Tatum more.
 

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They get rid of Gordons horrible contract. He looks miserable on the bench. Jrue is one of the best 2 ways in the league. Since they cant trade for him now and they get to keep their picks. Pels get a bunch of good young players, beats drafting on luck IMO. Brandon just continues to get better. Terry looks like he just wants to start also. Although you can swap Jaylen and Terry but i think Jaylen is on his last year.
They are gonna need Gordon when they deal Tatum and Brown for Davis....lol
 

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Meh....

Brown doesn't move the needle for me in a trade for a Superstar.

Nice player.

But, his ceiling is possible All star.

So, not that interesting for me.
How often do stars get traded for stars, though? When does that happen?

I know AD is on a different level than Tatum. That's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is: contending teams want to string stars together in the same line-up. Not trade one for the other.
 

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If I’m the Pelicans there is no way I even entertain an offer in the next 2 years that does not include 2 all stars.
 

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They are gonna need Gordon when they deal Tatum and Brown for Davis....lol
What if they get in on it now like i said. Maybe AD wont last that long. And even if he does. I really think AD is going to sign with the Lakers/Lebron anyway. All signs point to LA. But since the Lakers dont want to trade Kuzma, who is way better than Tatum, I think every team improves from this. Though its just the trade machine and i was fucking around with it i dont count it out. However unlikely.
 

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I get that you're just F'n around...

... but there is no F'n way that the C's are gonna facilitate L.A. getting AD.
I think the same thing but If the Lakers include Kuzma for sure AD is a Laker before the Summer. And if you ask me. The Lakers might pull the trigger just to do it before hte C's Do. I would get fucking Jrue. That sob is so under rated and damn is he good. And get rid of Gordans contract. Also, some team will way over value Jaylen and give him more money, he has to go as well. Terry looks miserable on the bench as well.
 

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If I’m the Pelicans there is no way I even entertain an offer in the next 2 years that does not include 2 all stars.
So basically what you're saying is the Pel's shouldn't entertain any offers... because there is no reasonable offer out there that meets your criteria.
 

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Heard this, will be interesting to see where he ends up. I think he's moved in the summer.
 

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I wouldn't.

You have no idea where the Knicks will pick.

4th or worst is Cam Reddish territory.

For Davis?

You've said it yourself.

You don't trade a dollar for 4 quarters.

Knox could be a quarter.

Frank is looking nickelish.
Knox and say Reddish at least have all star level upside. knox is extremely young and has been very impressive at times.

Id rather get the 2 lotto tickets and try and hit big then guys that you pretty much know wont ever be multi time all stars- esp. ones that are close to being up for contracts.
 

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The Celtics offers without Tatum are not nearly as compelling. The Celtics have a lot of assets to offer but none that are likely to be all-stars. Maybe Brown could develop into one but he's in a bit of a swale as far as trade value goes.

The Knicks could make a pretty compelling offer especially if they get a top 3 pick. The Lakers are probably in the same conversation as the Celtics sans Tatum.

The Clippers could make a pretty interesting deal as well. Nuggets.

Celtics will definitely be a leader in the chase but I would imagine that the Pels would sooner demand Tatum than a few late lottery picks.
Brown, Smart and 4 first rounders- one of which is likely to be a lotto pick in Sacramento is prob. the base offer from the Celtics.
 

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So basically what you're saying is the Pel's shouldn't entertain any offers... because there is no reasonable offer out there that meets your criteria.

I just don’t see why you would trade a guy like that who is committed for so long so yeah unless you can do a Hershel Walker type trade, which the salary cap won’t allow, I don’t know why they would even think about it until the end of next season.
 

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Perhaps. I'm not sold on the necessity of yet, frankly.

Even when we rack our brains for other possibilities, I don't see any that outclass the package I proposed there. Most don't even come close.

Maybe if Philly were willing to trade Simmons... ?... but I don't think they are.
Philly trading Simmons is interesting


These are the offers that I think are at least SEMI interesting:

Lakers: Hart, Ingram, Kuzma, multiple firsts

Celtics: (i) Brown, Smart, 4 first rounders, Yabusale

(ii) Tatum, cap filler, Sacramento pick, Boston pick

Nuggets: Michael Porter Jr., Jamal Murray, Gary Harris, 2 first rounders (sneaky good offer)

Knicks: Knox, 2019 first rounder, 2021 first rounder, Ntilikina

Bulls: Wendall Carter Jr., 2019 first rounder, Jabari Parker, Portis,



If the Bulls pulled it off- say get lucky and get like #1 or #2 overall------- and then had LAvine, Dunn, Markenen, DAvis, and cap space for a major player- would that make them feasible? I dont know. Would be interesting.

say they would sign- Butler or Kawhi---

Combo guard 1: LaVine
Combo guard 2: Dunn
SF: Kawhi
PF- MArkenen
C- Davis

I would say that would make them viable.
 

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If I’m the Pelicans there is no way I even entertain an offer in the next 2 years that does not include 2 all stars.

In other words you would lose AD in free agency and get fired?

You get pennies on the dollar when you are forced to trade a player like AD. That is just the way it is.
 
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