Kellen Moore OC

UK Cowboy said:

If the plan was for Red to call the plays, why bother letting go of Linehan?

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Imo, this is what Linehan wanted.

He's been cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs over Moore for years and years and multiple teams.

And I like Linehan.

jarntt said:

Why not? That's exactly what I'm hoping for and basically what you seem to be looking for too from your comments. I don't care if they keep the same terminology or not. But I want a total overhaul of this offense and the problem there is and has been Garrett. All we have done for years is run his Offense regardless of who the OC is.

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We are what we are and we are good at power football. Play action is the pass compliment to that style. I'd consider those the staples that should not be altered. But we need to be able to run more creative things from shotgun.

We should keep zone reads, trap blocking and halfback screens as well. I'd like to see more quick slant routes (lay-ups), flag/post deep crosses off play action, flood concepts that move a defense to one side of the field, screens and fake screen draw plays. Our jet sweeps aren't impactful, and we need a couple plays off that instead of pound Zeke straight ahead.

All these things are likely already in the playbook. But to excel at these things we need Dak to improve on his vision. A lot of times he plays timid, afraid to make a mistake or he waits too long. He can go through progressions, but adding more fakes to get the defense to take a false step or two, helps his timing.

Another sore subject with me - identifying and exploiting an opponents weakness and attacking it. Too often we just keep our heads down and just do what we do - pretty much the opposite of the Patriots.

We lack an ability to scheme people open in space and that is what makes this offense a bottom feeder. We can't just lay it at players feet and say do it better. We need our new OC to add wrinkles, a few concepts to keep what we are good at while also making it easy to get a few big plays without hero ball by players just making the incredible happen. The plan next year better not be to get Zeke the ball 30 times to see what he can do.

DALLAScornhusker said:

Another sore subject with me - identifying and exploiting an opponents weakness and attacking it. Too often we just keep our heads down and just do what we do - pretty much the opposite of the Patriots.

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B I N G O !!!!!

DALLAScornhusker said:

We are what we are and we are good at power football. Play action is the pass compliment to that style. I'd consider those the staples that should not be altered. But we need to be able to run more creative things from shotgun.

We should keep zone reads, trap blocking and halfback screens as well. I'd like to see more quick slant routes (lay-ups), flag/post deep crosses off play action, flood concepts that move a defense to one side of the field, screens and fake screen draw plays. Our jet sweeps aren't impactful, and we need a couple plays off that instead of pound Zeke straight ahead.

All these things are likely already in the playbook. But to excel at these things we need Dak to improve on his vision. A lot of times he plays timid, afraid to make a mistake or he waits too long. He can go through progressions, but adding more fakes to get the defense to take a false step or two, helps his timing.

Another sore subject with me - identifying and exploiting an opponents weakness and attacking it. Too often we just keep our heads down and just do what we do - pretty much the opposite of the Patriots.

We lack an ability to scheme people open in space and that is what makes this offense a bottom feeder. We can't just lay it at players feet and say do it better. We need our new OC to add wrinkles, a few concepts to keep what we are good at while also making it easy to get a few big plays without hero ball by players just making the incredible happen. The plan next year better not be to get Zeke the ball 30 times to see what he can do.

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We actually aren't fantastic at power football. We run the ball very well and our OL can be very good and of course our RB is fantastic but our running game isn't exactly a power game lately. How many times do we convert 3rd or 4th and 1 with Zeke on a straight power run? We should do it every single time but we don't. This could of course be due to Looney and Williams as compared to Frederick and Leary but the fact is we don't get the push up the middle or off the line in general that we used to. Our running game this year seemed to work better when things were spread out more. We don't have a FB that can block, we stopped playing the TEs as H Backs and even in short yardage we seem to have deeper handoffs (which often get stuffed by penetration) and mostly let Zeke use his vision more often than not lately.

But, I totally agree with you that the centerpiece, or at least a large part of our offense, should be running and then PAP. But I want to see guys in motion to help Dak read the defense. I also agree on the slants. When we use them we are very successful yet we seldom seem to. We need creativity and we need to use patterns to open up other patterns. We seldom seem to draw the defenders away and free up guys by making them choose like everyone seems to do to us. Our guys don't seem to find soft spots in the zone to sit down in and get the ball. I just have no confidence that any OC is going to come in and accomplish these things in Garrett's same old Offense. I've seen this play out too many times to expect play caller #4 to come in have different results than play callers 1 thru 3. I want an overhaul and likely I won't get it until Garrett is gone.

cowboycolors said:

Just a little food for thought amongst the Cowboy faithful . Lots of the pundits are speculating that Kellen Moore could be elevated to OC and John Kitna brought in as QB coach.
This is not some ramblings brought in by Joe Cowboys fan from eastern southern New Zealand it is being reported by several sources with alleged inside information.

Just thought I would throw this out. My take is he is nowhere ready for that yet. Who knows what may happen

Thoughts ?

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The average Dallas fan is a clueless fool - like most fans. The ones who can't SEE that Kellen Moore is the OBVIOUS choice is as blind as blind gets. They literally know nothing about him if they can't see that. These are the same clueless wonders who were enraged that Dallas "wasted" their 1st round pick in the NFL draft to take Boise State's Leighton Vander Esch - those people look like total morons today.

Moore is a friggin football GENIUS and anyone who doesn't know that...............doesn't know anything about him. All one has to do to educate themselves about the truth of that statement is go check what EVERYONE who actually knows Moore has to say about him since he got to the NFL, i.e., Detroit and Dallas.

Bronco754 said:

The average Dallas fan is a clueless fool - like most fans. The ones who can't SEE that Kellen Moore is the OBVIOUS choice is as blind as blind gets. They literally know nothing about him if they can't see that. These are the same clueless wonders who were enraged that Dallas "wasted" their 1st round pick in the NFL draft to take Boise State's Leighton Vander Esch - those people look like total morons today.

Moore is a friggin football GENIUS and anyone who doesn't know that...............doesn't know anything about him. All one has to do to educate themselves about the truth of that statement is go check what EVERYONE who actually knows Moore has to say about him since he got to the NFL, i.e., Detroit and Dallas.

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Please enlighten us on why he's a football genius. I don't see where he did anything to help Dak. I don't see any teams knocking down his door to hire him as a quarterback coach or offensive coordinator, not one. And if he's such a genius why didn't he get an interview with all the teams that were looking for a head coach. You know coaching experience matters and he was 1 year of experience at any level of football as a quarterback coach, none as a offensive coordinator.

@Manster7588 lol

Bronco754 said:

The average Dallas fan is a clueless fool - like most fans. The ones who can't SEE that Kellen Moore is the OBVIOUS choice is as blind as blind gets. They literally know nothing about him if they can't see that. These are the same clueless wonders who were enraged that Dallas "wasted" their 1st round pick in the NFL draft to take Boise State's Leighton Vander Esch - those people look like total morons today.

Moore is a friggin football GENIUS and anyone who doesn't know that...............doesn't know anything about him. All one has to do to educate themselves about the truth of that statement is go check what EVERYONE who actually knows Moore has to say about him since he got to the NFL, i.e., Detroit and Dallas.

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He might be a great OC, we'll see, but he didn't impress as a QB coach and that's a fact

Bronco754 said:

The average Dallas fan is a clueless fool - like most fans. The ones who can't SEE that Kellen Moore is the OBVIOUS choice is as blind as blind gets. They literally know nothing about him if they can't see that. These are the same clueless wonders who were enraged that Dallas "wasted" their 1st round pick in the NFL draft to take Boise State's Leighton Vander Esch - those people look like total morons today.

Moore is a friggin football GENIUS and anyone who doesn't know that...............doesn't know anything about him. All one has to do to educate themselves about the truth of that statement is go check what EVERYONE who actually knows Moore has to say about him since he got to the NFL, i.e., Detroit and Dallas.

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That was the most Boise State full blown homer take I’ve ever read.

I doubt the offense does worse with Moore. All of the good candidates were scooped up while the cowboys were trying to win playoff games. While I am not happy it's not like good candidates were lining up to work for jerry.

The issue I have is we continued to try and run against 8 man fronts even after cooper arrived. We rarely used Dak as a runner.

Bronco754 said:

The average Dallas fan is a clueless fool - like most fans. The ones who can't SEE that Kellen Moore is the OBVIOUS choice is as blind as blind gets. They literally know nothing about him if they can't see that. These are the same clueless wonders who were enraged that Dallas "wasted" their 1st round pick in the NFL draft to take Boise State's Leighton Vander Esch - those people look like total morons today.

Moore is a friggin football GENIUS and anyone who doesn't know that...............doesn't know anything about him. All one has to do to educate themselves about the truth of that statement is go check what EVERYONE who actually knows Moore has to say about him since he got to the NFL, i.e., Detroit and Dallas.

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Right a football genius with 1 year of coaching experience. Moore may very well be the 2nd coming of Bill Walsh Don Coryell, Sean Mcvey, Norv Turner and Dick Vermiel all rolled into 1 undersized QB package that just happened to go to Boise State. I don't know and you and your vaunted opinion is worth the same as mine and 10 underclassmen pissing in the woods at some kegger in Idaho off campus. We shall See

As far as Vander Esch he was a 1 year starter at Boise nobody knew he would be this good 1 year in.
Talent Ck Size Ck Measurables Ck ability to get it done all ??????? on Draft Day

Happy with the results but get real

Bronco754 said:

The average Dallas fan is a clueless fool - like most fans. The ones who can't SEE that Kellen Moore is the OBVIOUS choice is as blind as blind gets. They literally know nothing about him if they can't see that. These are the same clueless wonders who were enraged that Dallas "wasted" their 1st round pick in the NFL draft to take Boise State's Leighton Vander Esch - those people look like total morons today.

Moore is a friggin football GENIUS and anyone who doesn't know that...............doesn't know anything about him. All one has to do to educate themselves about the truth of that statement is go check what EVERYONE who actually knows Moore has to say about him since he got to the NFL, i.e., Detroit and Dallas.

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Well they used to say Garrett was a genius too, before he became a HC. Still waiting to see this come true.

Schmoopy1000 said:

Well they used to say Garrett was a genius too, before he became a HC. Still waiting to see this come true.

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Jason is a genius at "CLAPPING"

The Derski said:

That was the most Boise State full blown homer take I’ve ever read.

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Did everything but blow Moore.

Sir Robin Of Camelot said:

Did everything but blow Moore.

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How you know that didn't already happen?

Sir Robin Of Camelot said:

Did everything but blow Moore.

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Are you sure about that? We're you there?

Manster7588 said:

Are you sure about that? We're you there?

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A poor assumption on my part.

Definitely blew him. Still is, I assume.

(this is a better assumption...)

Begrudgingly I think it's time to accept Moore as the OC.

S. Jones comment.

“We’re very comfortable with him obviously. We haven’t made any final decisions, but obviously we put him right in as quarterback coach. I saw another guy that happened to in [head coach] Jason Garrett. He jumped right in from being a player to a quarterback coach and went on and did great.

“I think this day and time with what these young guys are doing, they’ve shown guys can step into this type of job and this type of work. I think Kellen, his background speaks for itself. I think he still holds the record for most games won in Division I football. Grew up in a football family. His dad was a coach, and the guy’s got a great football mind.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/cowboy...llen-moore-cowboys-offensive-coordinator/amp/

If they make Moore the OC I'll give him a fair chance. He can't be worse than Linehan, can he? If we are running Garrett's Offense then IMO it really doesn't matter if the OC is Andy Reid or Gus the Mule because they are bound by the constraints of this scheme. But what drives me crazy with this team is how they are so reactionary and always have been. They follow blueprints that have been successful and assume if they do the same it will work for us. Well, it doesn't work that way. Jerry sees mobile QBs and thinks Quincy Carter will be them. He looks at things that worked for the Cowboys in the 90's and thinks he can just do those same things but we had an incredible amount of talent on those teams. He sees McVay and thinks Moore will be him but McVay is special. I like the idea of getting a young hot shot OC with fresh ideas and maybe that could be Moore, but where has he honed his craft? How many successful offenses has he been in? One year as a QB coach teaches you little. Plus he is kind of going from backup QB to Boss for a lot of these same players and that is not easy to jump the pecking order that much that soon, because if any adversity hits it could go downhill quickly.

My summary of this is that this move may work out and I pray it does, but I think it is foolish because I think it is too risky right now. Give the guy a couple more years to develop and then give him a shot and let the risk vs reward even out a little more. He isn't going anywhere. They compare him to Garrett in the article, but it was clear Garrett wasn't ready when he took over and he had a lot more seasoning than Moore did.

jarntt said:

If they make Moore the OC I'll give him a fair chance. He can't be worse than Linehan, can he? If we are running Garrett's Offense then IMO it really doesn't matter if the OC is Andy Reid or Gus the Mule because they are bound by the constraints of this scheme. But what drives me crazy with this team is how they are so reactionary and always have been. They follow blueprints that have been successful and assume if they do the same it will work for us. Well, it doesn't work that way. Jerry sees mobile QBs and thinks Quincy Carter will be them. He looks at things that worked for the Cowboys in the 90's and thinks he can just do those same things but we had an incredible amount of talent on those teams. He sees McVay and thinks Moore will be him but McVay is special. I like the idea of getting a young hot shot OC with fresh ideas and maybe that could be Moore, but where has he honed his craft? How many successful offenses has he been in? One year as a QB coach teaches you little. Plus he is kind of going from backup QB to Boss for a lot of these same players and that is not easy to jump the pecking order that much that soon, because if any adversity hits it could go downhill quickly.

My summary of this is that this move may work out and I pray it does, but I think it is foolish because I think it is too risky right now. Give the guy a couple more years to develop and then give him a shot and let the risk vs reward even out a little more. He isn't going anywhere. They compare him to Garrett in the article, but it was clear Garrett wasn't ready when he took over and he had a lot more seasoning than Moore did.

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Agree. If he's picked, I'll bitch about, then say OK now go be great and prove me wrong.