2019 Hall of Fame Ballot

calsnowskier · Jan 22, 2019

TheDayMan said:
Well, he is... but why you think no?

And so is Baines. And Morris. And Blyleven. And Hunter.

Edgar is in the

wing of the Hall.

navamind · Jan 22, 2019

wazzu31 said:
That is correct. Frank Thomas wasn’t as good of a hitter as Edgar was.

Not remotely true, and I think Edgar deserved enshrinement.

TheDayMan · Jan 22, 2019

calsnowskier said:
And so is Baines. And Morris. And Blyleven. And Hunter.

Edgar is in the wing of the Hall.

So, you got nothing but you don’t like it?

navamind · Jan 22, 2019

Edgar: 68.4 WAR, 147 OPS+
McCovey: 64.5 WAR, 147 OPS+

I guess McCovey is in the

wing too.

Tapey · Jan 22, 2019

calsnowskier · Jan 22, 2019

StanMarsh51 said:
If you look at Thomas' numbers through roughly the same amount of plate appearances as Edgar had:

Thomas - .307 AVG, 161 OPS+, 448 HR, 1465 RBI, 1327 R
Martinez- .312 AVG, 147 OPS+, 309 HR, 1261 RBI, 1219 R

2 MVPs, 4 other top 5 finishes, 3 other top 10 finishes and 2 other seasons recoeving votes.

Edgar has 1 top 5, 1 top 10 and 3 other seasons receiving votes.

calsnowskier · Jan 22, 2019

navamind said:
Edgar: 68.4 WAR, 147 OPS+
McCovey: 64.5 WAR, 147 OPS+

I guess McCovey is in the wing too.

McCovey played a complete game.

That is akin to saying McGriff should be in because he was a much better hitter than Ozzie.

ChiSoxFan · Jan 22, 2019

Glad to see Mussina make it in. That guy could pitch.

calsnowskier · Jan 22, 2019

For a DH to get in, he needs to be firmly in the inner circle of HOFers with the bat.

He should be in discussions with Mays, Ruth, Bonds, Williams, Ott, Foxx, etc.

Edgar should’t be refilling these guys drinks.

TheDayMan · Jan 22, 2019

navamind said:
Not remotely true, and I think Edgar deserved enshrinement.

I don’t it’s true either, but it’s not like the stats are that far off, it’s a little muddied because Edgar had almost 1000 fewer at bats, but it’s not like you line them up and say one is a clear hall of famer and one is just okay.

ChiSoxFan · Jan 22, 2019

I would imagine Mussina is an Oriole in Cooperstown. All of his ASG appearances came with Baltimore. I was just perusing his stats. He threw 237.2 innings in 2000. Remarkable. Seven Rawlings Gold Gloves. Considering 300 wins is pretty much unobtainable in today's MLB with the specialized relievers, he had 270 and had to wait this long to get in. Blasphemy say I.

navamind · Jan 22, 2019

calsnowskier said:
McCovey played a complete game.

Good for him. He was also a lousy defender (-80 runs). Edgar at least rated at as a plus defender before moving to DH because of a hamstring injury.

TheDayMan · Jan 22, 2019

calsnowskier said:
For a DH to get in, he needs to be firmly in the inner circle of HOFers with the bat.

He should be in discussions with Mays, Ruth, Bonds, Williams, Ott, Foxx, etc.

Edgar should’t be refilling these guys drinks.

Ah, so back to the DH thing. A closer just gets the first unanimous vote, but we’re concerned about a DH in there.

navamind · Jan 22, 2019

NL purists really make me enjoy the Red Sox last 4 WS wins. It's been fun watching them curb stomp "real baseball teams".

navamind · Jan 22, 2019

TheDayMan said:
Ah, so back to the DH thing. A closer just gets the first unanimous vote, but we’re concerned about a DH in there.

I'd say a guy with 500+ plate appearances has a far bigger impact than a guy who faces about 300 batters per season and relies on the fielders around him.

calsnowskier · Jan 22, 2019

navamind said:
Good for him. He was also a lousy defender (-80 runs). Edgar at least rated at as a plus defender before moving to DH because of a hamstring injury.

But McCovey only played when his bat was good enough to outplay his D. And he expended energy playing in the field.

A DH should be head and shoulders over a position player. He isn’t expending the energy in the field so the bat isn’t as heavy late in the game/season.

ChiSoxFan · Jan 22, 2019

navamind said:
NL purists really make me enjoy the Red Sox last 4 WS wins. It's been fun watching them curb stomp "real baseball teams".

Cool if our Sox teams undo that whole Sale trade debacle?

calsnowskier · Jan 22, 2019

TheDayMan said:
I don’t it’s true either, but it’s not like the stats are that far off, it’s a little muddied because Edgar had almost 1000 fewer at bats, but it’s not like you line them up and say one is a clear hall of famer and one is just okay.

But this line started when an Edgar fan stated that Thomas couldn’t hold Edgar’s jock. That was the bar that was proposed.

navamind · Jan 22, 2019

ChiSoxFan said:
Cool if our Sox teams undo that whole Sale trade debacle?

I still think Moncada will be very good, if not a star.

Edit: goddamn phone

Nasty_Magician · Jan 22, 2019

wazzu31 said:
Frank Thomas doesn’t sniff Edgar’s jock. And all the anti DH dumbasses assured he was a gold glove 1B.

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