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And I'm sure those actual facts will bother mNb09. Hey did you know the only game Jimmy Jam can win on a regular basis since returning to ann arbor is meeeechegan's Spring Game?
Name me another team who's fired a coach after four seasons who's won at least 10 games in 3 of those seasons. I'll wait. You idiots are treating your delusional OSU bias as fact. There's no precedent there with any other team.
 

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I don't know that's true. Your team relied HEAVILY on Haskins throwing a billion balls per game. The running game left a lot more to be desired in most of your games.
If we didn't have Haskins back there, I'm guessing our game plan would have been different.

Our O-Line definitely did underwhelm in run blocking, though. 2 years ago, our rushing attack was pretty good. I'd expect it to improve next year. Never know, though.
 

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This is just a stupid argument. There are few teams who'd fire a coach who's won 10 games, 3/4 seasons.
Few teams are michigan. You guys are supposed to be a blueblood, which means at least playing for your conference crown one time in 4 years. You have unlimited resources and tons of talent, yet you are still clearly a notch or two below the top teams, even after 4 years.

This is why I am not at all afraid of michigan this year, even with a first year head coach. You act like Day is some dunce that we picked up from San Jose State or something. You do your best to minimize the interest several other teams had in having him on their staff, as either a HC or OC, and ignore the fact that he took our offense from being barely top 25 from an efficiency standpoint in 2015/2016 and made them top 10 in 2017 and 2018. He's a fantastic recruiter by all indications, both of players and coaches, and the players love playing for him. The #2 recruit in the nation in 2018 had the opportunity to transfer to Oklahoma, a place that'd produced two straight Heisman Winners, but he specifically said he wanted most to play for Day. If I'm michigan, I'm a lot more worried about him than OSU should be of Harbaugh right now.
 

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Name me another team who's fired a coach after four seasons who's won at least 10 games in 3 of those seasons. I'll wait. You idiots are treating your delusional OSU bias as fact. There's no precedent there with any other team.

Name another CFB coach that's had so much hype yet has yielded so few results. Again if his name wasn't Harbaugh he would have been fired. The only reason he wasn't is he's meeeechegan royalty. Here are 2 more accomplishments of his.

1-3 in bowl games
outscored 103 to 54 to end the '18 season.

62-39 to Ohio State
41-15 to Florida
 

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Few teams are michigan. You guys are supposed to be a blueblood, which means at least playing for your conference crown one time in 4 years. You have unlimited resources and tons of talent, yet you are still clearly a notch or two below the top teams, even after 4 years.

This is why I am not at all afraid of michigan this year, even with a first year head coach. You act like Day is some dunce that we picked up from San Jose State or something. You do your best to minimize the interest several other teams had in having him on their staff, as either a HC or OC, and ignore the fact that he took our offense from being barely top 25 from an efficiency standpoint in 2015/2016 and made them top 10 in 2017 and 2018. He's a fantastic recruiter by all indications, both of players and coaches, and the players love playing for him. The #2 recruit in the nation in 2018 had the opportunity to transfer to Oklahoma, a place that'd produced two straight Heisman Winners, but he specifically said he wanted most to play for Day. If I'm michigan, I'm a lot more worried about him than OSU should be of Harbaugh right now.
So is ND. So is Texas. So is USC. Modern football is a different beast. Michigan has had a hell of a challenge digging out of the hole we created; made even worse by the division of football we play in. With PSU, OSU and MSU challenging for the division in the last few years, it's not the ideal scenario to also trying to be rebuilding in.
 

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Name another CFB coach that's had so much hype yet has yielded so few results. Again if his name wasn't Harbaugh he would have been fired. I already explained why no reason to repeat it. But I will mention 2 more reasons that if he wasn't meeeechegan royalty he would have been fired after the season ended.

1-3 in bowl games
outscored 103 to 54 to end the '18 season.

62-39 to Ohio State
41-15 to Florida
Brian Kelly? Tom Herman? Jimbo Fisher? Frost? Chip Kelly? Should I go on?

Obviously every single situation is going to be different, but taking over a major program, especially one struggling, isn't as easy as you're making it out to be. Many very good, if not elite, coaches are currently in the same struggle.
 

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Brian Kelly? Tom Herman? Jimbo Fisher? Frost? Chip Kelly? Should I go on?

None of those coaches had the national media hype that Harbaugh received. Jimmy Jam played & coached in the NFL. Remember how big of a deal that was supposed to be?
 

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None of those coaches had the national media hype that Harbaugh received.
Could that be because, being an OSU fan, you're more aware of Harbaugh than any of those other coaches? Or the fact that Harbaugh turned down the NFL to come to Michigan, which no one expected? Harbaugh's hire was certainly a shock to more people than many of those hires. But there's been a hell of a lot of hype about most of those other coaches going to the programs they are currently at. Hell, Jimbo leaving a blueblood he won a national title at for A&M? Can't get more hype and media attention drawing than that.
 

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Could that be because, being an OSU fan, you're more aware of Harbaugh than any of those other coaches? Or the fact that Harbaugh turned down the NFL to come to Michigan, which no one expected? Harbaugh's hire was certainly a shock to more people than many of those hires. But there's been a hell of a lot of hype about most of those other coaches going to the programs they are currently at. Hell, Jimbo leaving a blueblood he won a national title at for A&M? Can't get more hype and media attention drawing than that.

Get outta here. I follow CFB, not just the Buckeyes. To say I'm not aware of those coaches is laughable. After all I've mentioned Jimbo Fisher in the past (which you ignored) as 1 of the coaches in the country that completely turned a program in 4 years. Something JH didn't do.
 

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So is ND. So is Texas. So is USC. Modern football is a different beast. Michigan has had a hell of a challenge digging out of the hole we created; made even worse by the division of football we play in. With PSU, OSU and MSU challenging for the division in the last few years, it's not the ideal scenario to also trying to be rebuilding in.
USC is their own victim. They tried going with two known dumbasses at HC with Lane and Sark, then replaced them permanently with an OC who wasn't even that good as a coordinator despite NFL talent all over and playing in a defensively mediocre conference in Helton.

Texas made the poor choice of Charlie Strong who decided to come in and basically gut the program. Herman, we'll see. I think he can be good, but he had to come to Texas and clean up Strong's mess right away.

ND hasn't been a national power since the 90s outside of a few years here and there this century. Brian Kelly is a good coach, but like Harbaugh, he hasn't adapted his offense to the new age, and he's also done an absolutely horrible job of developing QBs.

Day is obviously known for developing QBs and elevated OSU's offense immediately upon arriving here. Unlike those other 3 schools you mentioned, he clearly knows how to coach an offense to win in CFB today. Like I've said, I'm not anointing him the next Dabo or Kirby yet, but there's nothing to make me think he can't be that successful.
 

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USC is their own victim. They tried going with two known dumbasses at HC with Lane and Sark, then replaced them permanently with an OC who wasn't even that good as a coordinator despite NFL talent all over and playing in a defensively mediocre conference in Helton.

Texas made the poor choice of Charlie Strong who decided to come in and basically gut the program. Herman, we'll see. I think he can be good, but he had to come to Texas and clean up Strong's mess right away.

ND hasn't been a national power since the 90s outside of a few years here and there this century. Brian Kelly is a good coach, but like Harbaugh, he hasn't adapted his offense to the new age, and he's also done an absolutely horrible job of developing QBs.

Day is obviously known for developing QBs and elevated OSU's offense immediately upon arriving here. Unlike those other 3 schools you mentioned, he clearly knows how to coach an offense to win in CFB today. Like I've said, I'm not anointing him the next Dabo or Kirby yet, but there's nothing to make me think he can't be that successful.

That part about ND is entirely not true. He has adapted his offense. And the QB play has been fine under him.
 

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That part about ND is entirely not true. He has adapted his offense. And the QB play has been fine under him.

Kellys been there since 2010 and he's had one QB that he recruited drafted. QB play has been below average since he's been there. Every QB got worse the longer he was there.
 

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Kellys been there since 2010 and he's had one QB that he recruited drafted. QB play has been below average since he's been there. Every QB got worse the longer he was there.

2018 - Ian Book 7th in Total QBR
2017 - Brandon Wimbush 18th in Total QBR
2016 -DeShone Kizer 39th in Total QBR
2015 - DeShone Kizer 12th in Total QBR
2014 - Everett Golson 26th in Total QBR
2013 - Tommy Rees 25th in Total QBR
2012 - Everett Golson 36th in Total QBR
2011 - Tommy Rees 31st in QBR
2010 - Dayne Christ 53rd in QBR

Outside of Christ who he inherited in 2010 ND on avg is in the top 25. His worst year with a guy he recruited was the year we made the title game. Didn't need amazing QB play.
 

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2018 - Ian Book 7th in Total QBR
2017 - Brandon Wimbush 18th in Total QBR
2016 -DeShone Kizer 39th in Total QBR
2015 - DeShone Kizer 12th in Total QBR
2014 - Everett Golson 26th in Total QBR
2013 - Tommy Rees 25th in Total QBR
2012 - Everett Golson 36th in Total QBR
2011 - Tommy Rees 31st in QBR
2010 - Dayne Christ 53rd in QBR

Outside of Christ who he inherited in 2010 ND on avg is in the top 25. His worst year with a guy he recruited was the year we made the title game. Didn't need amazing QB play.
There was also 4* Andrew Hendrix and 4* Malik Zaire who never did much of anything. So he's had 8 QBs, and all but two were 4*, that he's recruited, one made it to the NFL and is fighting to stay in the league. Moreover, none of them has ever performed well on the biggest stages outside of some mid-level bowl games against decent at best teams. Above that, his offenses have only been in the top 10 once in his 9 years in efficiency, despite having tons of high-end talent at all skill positions and on the OL.
 

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USC is their own victim. They tried going with two known dumbasses at HC with Lane and Sark, then replaced them permanently with an OC who wasn't even that good as a coordinator despite NFL talent all over and playing in a defensively mediocre conference in Helton.

Texas made the poor choice of Charlie Strong who decided to come in and basically gut the program. Herman, we'll see. I think he can be good, but he had to come to Texas and clean up Strong's mess right away.

ND hasn't been a national power since the 90s outside of a few years here and there this century. Brian Kelly is a good coach, but like Harbaugh, he hasn't adapted his offense to the new age, and he's also done an absolutely horrible job of developing QBs.

Day is obviously known for developing QBs and elevated OSU's offense immediately upon arriving here. Unlike those other 3 schools you mentioned, he clearly knows how to coach an offense to win in CFB today. Like I've said, I'm not anointing him the next Dabo or Kirby yet, but there's nothing to make me think he can't be that successful.


Kelly came to ND with a ton of hype and ND has similar athletes to Michigan on any given year. Comparable programs. He went and only won 8 games in his first two years. The two years after (later erased from history) he won 12, then 9, then 8....it took 8 years at ND to have as many 10 win seasons as Harbaugh has had in 4 at Michigan.

Herman was one of the most sought after coaches after Houston -- and came to a Texas team with a pretty loaded roster and won 7 games. Followed by 10.

I maintain what Harbaugh has done at Michigan is better than what most coaches would have done. You could name probably 5 or so active coaches who could have come in and done the same or better.
 

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There was also 4* Andrew Hendrix and 4* Malik Zaire who never did much of anything. So he's had 8 QBs, and all but two were 4*, that he's recruited, one made it to the NFL and is fighting to stay in the league. Moreover, none of them has ever performed well on the biggest stages outside of some mid-level bowl games against decent at best teams. Above that, his offenses have only been in the top 10 once in his 9 years in efficiency, despite having tons of high-end talent at all skill positions and on the OL.

QB play has been fine through out his career. Those guys were good enough when we had competent defenses to go along with it. And I'm not sure about the high end talent level at the skill positions. Alot of our RB's and WR's were late round draft picks. I'd agree about the O-line. We are typically very good upfront. But we never had the game breaking WR's that teams like Bama and Clemson have and we never will get that. But I don't think it's a surprise our best offense was the one year we had a game breaker in Fuller. And since 2011 ND has finished in the top 30 in offensive efficiency 6 out of 8 years and 4 of those in the top 25. Our offense on average has been a top 25 offense if you take out the first year.
 

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Kelly came to ND with a ton of hype and ND has similar athletes to Michigan on any given year. Comparable programs. He went and only won 8 games in his first two years. The two years after (later erased from history) he won 12, then 9, then 8....it took 8 years at ND to have as many 10 win seasons as Harbaugh has had in 4 at Michigan.

Herman was one of the most sought after coaches after Houston -- and came to a Texas team with a pretty loaded roster and won 7 games. Followed by 10.

I maintain what Harbaugh has done at Michigan is better than what most coaches would have done. You could name probably 5 or so active coaches who could have come in and done the same or better.
And I don't think Kelly is that good of a coach, either. His hype still wasn't on Harbaugh's level. He and Harbaugh both need to bring in much more progressive OCs than what they have if they want to compete with the big boys, because their defenses aren't in that upper echelon elite level to be enough to carry the teams.

Herman's hype was close, but he had a mess to clean up at Texas. Strong was a disaster. I'm still not buying the lovefest for them going into next year, but he's turning it around for sure.

The biggest thing with Harbaugh was that when he came back to CFB, we were told that his experience at Stanford and then success in the NFL was going to make michigan an instant NC contender. It's not that he's been a bad coach, but he's paid like a coach that should have at least won his conference once or twice in 4 years, and he hasn't even played for a conference title yet. Not only that, but he has two top 10 wins in 4 years. That's the issue.
 

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And I don't think Kelly is that good of a coach, either. His hype still wasn't on Harbaugh's level. He and Harbaugh both need to bring in much more progressive OCs than what they have if they want to compete with the big boys, because their defenses aren't in that upper echelon elite level to be enough to carry the teams.

Herman's hype was close, but he had a mess to clean up at Texas. Strong was a disaster. I'm still not buying the lovefest for them going into next year, but he's turning it around for sure.

The biggest thing with Harbaugh was that when he came back to CFB, we were told that his experience at Stanford and then success in the NFL was going to make michigan an instant NC contender. It's not that he's been a bad coach, but he's paid like a coach that should have at least won his conference once or twice in 4 years, and he hasn't even played for a conference title yet. Not only that, but he has two top 10 wins in 4 years. That's the issue.

I'm not sure what's wrong with our OC? He's been there for 2 years and both years has finished in the top 20 of offensive efficiency. And last year takes into account how truly awful the offense was with Wimbush the first 3 games.

What type of progressive coach did you have in mind? You're acting as though Michigan and ND ran the same type of offense last year.
 

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QB play has been fine through out his career. Those guys were good enough when we had competent defenses to go along with it. And I'm not sure about the high end talent level at the skill positions. Alot of our RB's and WR's were late round draft picks. I'd agree about the O-line. We are typically very good upfront. But we never had the game breaking WR's that teams like Bama and Clemson have and we never will get that. But I don't think it's a surprise our best offense was the one year we had a game breaker in Fuller. And since 2011 ND has finished in the top 30 in offensive efficiency 6 out of 8 years and 4 of those in the top 25. Our offense on average has been a top 25 offense if you take out the first year.
Your average recruiting class has been 11th nationally since Kelly has been here. You've had so many 4* just TE I lost count, but you've also had plenty of 4* WRs and RBs since he's gotten here, and outside of Kyle Rudolph and some inconsistent production from Will Fuller and Tyler Eiffert, none of your skill position guys are doing much.

Outside of putting up 49 on USC in 2017, I can't remember the last time ND had a good offensive game against a top 10-15 team since Kelly has been there.
 

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And I don't think Kelly is that good of a coach, either. His hype still wasn't on Harbaugh's level. He and Harbaugh both need to bring in much more progressive OCs than what they have if they want to compete with the big boys, because their defenses aren't in that upper echelon elite level to be enough to carry the teams.

Herman's hype was close, but he had a mess to clean up at Texas. Strong was a disaster. I'm still not buying the lovefest for them going into next year, but he's turning it around for sure.

The biggest thing with Harbaugh was that when he came back to CFB, we were told that his experience at Stanford and then success in the NFL was going to make michigan an instant NC contender. It's not that he's been a bad coach, but he's paid like a coach that should have at least won his conference once or twice in 4 years, and he hasn't even played for a conference title yet. Not only that, but he has two top 10 wins in 4 years. That's the issue.
Michigan has been in the national title hunt twice, and beating by OSU at the end of the season. If the ref calls that final play differently in 2016, who knows what could have been. The fact that we're right there at the end of the year is exactly what Harbaugh was brought in to do. He just needs to finish the job. And I don't think we're far away from doing that; at least in terms of a B10 title.
 
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