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If you shoot a couple, it would actually save thousands of lives. It has been a while since I looked it up, but I believe the number 7000 covers those who died in the desert on this side of the border.

Slavery in the US did not start until Constitution wasn’t signed until 1787. Why are you trying to punish the US for years prior to 1776 when it was England. Did you know the Indians had slaves? Why not blame them?

Now, if we are talking in in America, as in the continents, I think you will need to rework your numbers. Oh damn...trying to punish Americans for the sins of the prior country for political gain. Why am I not shocked? You hate this country anyways.

But let’s not quibble over sovereign borders.


Its speaks volumes that you try and minimize anything negative done by this country. And I dont hate the country. Just self righteous people that feel they have some god given right to this land and consider others beneath them.
 

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Mexico will pay for the wall "indirectly". How? The new deal Trump made with Mexico will benefit the US by at least 5 billion.

Wall reduces the # of illegal immigrants coming into the country from Mexico.

Reduction of US taxpayer money going to illegal "Mexican" immigrants by way of welfare payments or the cost of putting them up in our prisons will SAVE the US at least 5 billion dollars.


And even if that doesn't satisfy you, WHO CARES!!! Trump has already made good on so many campaign promises he probably ranks #1 in all of history in that category. Now if you didn't vote for him, that's probably not seen by you as a good thing, and no matter what you think of him, you have to at least give him credit for being unlike the typical politician that promises 2 dozen things and follows through with maybe 1 or 2 of their promises.

Now don't peg me before you know me. I'm NOT a Republican, not even close!!!

How?
 

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illegals have killed US citizens , have raped Us citizens , have smuggled illegal drugs into our country some illegals have bombed the US

it isnt anything false about it except how many american deaths you are willing to accept for illegals to be here which they shouldnt .

So have native born citizens.
 

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Facts are that every crime committed by an illegal should never happen

And crimes committed by native born citizens. Yet despite the fact that native born citizens commit more crimes here you only seem interested in one of these groups criminality.
 

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IM fine with borders and Immigration policy. I just happen to think our policy is flawed and biased based on outdated assumptions and racist laws.

Borders and immigration policy are awesome.

The wall is stupid and expensive.

Our immigration policy should be to increase immigration.
 

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I agree that we do not have equality.

Minorities who are LESS qualified are given MORE opportunities and aid.

Men have LESS rights than women.

And nowadays, if you DARE to be a white man or a conservative man, you could lose your job.

If you are a white man in South Africa, you will either get murdered or run out of the country and no one here in America seems to care.

You really think its hard being a white man in America right now? lol
 

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You may be right, and if so, the laws need to be changed. So why isn't Pelosi and Congress working on doing just that? Why haven't they produced any bills to amend the laws? Do you think she is really interested in changing policy or does the current policy work toward her benefit?

Correct me if Im wrong here but they were ready to pass a bill with spending for border security. Trump demands a wall and shut down the government on that demand.
 

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Your heart should bleed for our country and the media who don’t care about getting things correct before they smear much like they did to Rueben Foster

So serious question...

I havent followed the story your talking about much to be honest. I dont really care and from what I can tell its another one of those stories where nobody involved really comes out looking good.

That said...

Im all for criticizing specific media members when they get things wrong...


But...

Why do you care so much that the media is accurate and 100% honest but you dont care that Trump as the President is constantly lying and intentionally misleading?

Why dont I ever see you complain about that?
 

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What taxes ? Oh the taxes from the fake IDs they stole


I know you get upset about that. Im sorry some undocumented person hurt you, Really. But if they are made LEGAL and citizens who can vote... why would they need to steal an ID?? And as such they would be paying taxes AND voting under that LEGAL ID.
 

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Yeah, but I can almost guarantee you that no one would go out of their way to track them down. They'd simply wait for them to commit crimes or come in asking for free government assistance.

Hence, if an illegal alien keeps his/her nose clean and gets a job and doesn't need to strain our welfare funds, they could stay forever.



What are the reasons MOST who oppose illegal immigration do so?

They don't like THEIR MONEY, ie taxes, going to support people who are not supposed to be here.
They don't like THEIR PEOPLE, ie fam & friends, being murdered or robbed or raped or assaulted.
They don't like THEIR LANGUAGE, ie English, being shunned in schools, etc..
They don't lilke THEIR INCOME, ie jobs, going to cheaper insourced labor.


None of that has to do with their race. In fact, Mexicans have a very good reputation here in Minnesota as being VERY good workers. They work hard, and fast and do some of the highest quality work and are honest in their dealings, from what I've heard. But then again these particular Mexicans ARE WORKING, and not on welfare. They are not committing crime. They LEARN/SPEAK English.

No they FEAR those things. That doesn't make them valid fears. And one has to question where those fears come from.
 

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Yeah, I know being Atheist is the new cool thing to be, right? lol

I do not agree with you about religion. IMO, there is a Higher Power, a Creative Being/Force that created the universe and who all people will have to answer to after their death.

As for being primitive, if you knew anything about ancient history, you would know that ancient man was far more advanced in knowledge than modern man. We've devolved. Sure technology has progressed and made up for our lack of advanced mental abilities, now we can do with computers what ancient man could do without. So religion being primitive just means to me that it comes from a time when humankind was more advanced in their mental abilities. And now that we are devolving, it makes sense that we'd lose our ability to understand religious truth.

You should look into the highly advanced make up of the Bible. The first verse alone defies belief. Even the first word. The first word of the Bible tells the entire Bible story/Theme with just one word.

How have we devolved mentally? Its not just technology, but knowledge of the world and the known universe (and in turn quality of life) that have skyrocketed over the years.
 

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Yep... but again that is no justification for the practice of Slavery nor the aftermath of it in this country.

Oh, I am not trying to justify the practice of slavery. I'm just tired of certain people trying to make it out as if slavery was a white invention and a white only practice. I wouldn't be surprised if someone showed me evidence that it was basically something EVERY race practiced, some more than others, and I wouldn't be surprised if whites, throughout history, were nowhere near the top of the list of enslavers.
 

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Sorry dude, you seem like a pretty cool person, so I am not enjoying disagreeing with you, but I'm not sure where you get your crime stats? All the crime stats I've seen have Hispanics committing more crime than whites, but fewer crimes than blacks.

And the stats I've seen regarding illegal aliens(of any/all races), the crime rates are WAY above average.

3.5% of the population are here illegally.

12% of all murders are committed by illegal aliens
16% of all drug crimes are committed by illegal aliens
20% of all abductions are committed by illegal aliens


But yeah, the ones that are here legally seem to me and those I know, to be very good people, law abiding and hard working and highly skillful.

Uhh where are you getting those numbers?
 

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Excellent...let’s do it. I expect there to be an initial drop and then a recovery.

It is funny how you hate the fact that slavery existed in the US and now ou defend modern day slavery. Notice how I said you are against US slavery. You always overlook the rest of the world’s history of slavery to include Africans then and now.

Granting those 11 million people citizenship would be comically more economically beneficial.

Why not just do that?
 

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I agree they were a marvel of their time. BUt I dont think man has regressed so much as moved beyond the need for those skills.

Have we figured out all of the sh1t the ancients knew yet?

They knew how to build roads that are STILL intact to this day, hundreds, close to thousands of years later. We can't figure out how to make roads that last more than a few years before they need repairs.


And before technology, I think there was a clear decline/devolution. It reached it's low point during the dark ages. And that low point lasted in some corners of the world until recent times. There are still at least one or two tribes out there in the world that still live very primitively. One is mandated by the state to be left alone in their primitive state, another killed the last missionary that tried to reach them with spears. Technology seems to have stemmed or reversed the decline/devolution of man, but that depends only on how you look at things. People seem to some to be getting dumber and dumber as the years go by.
 

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How have we devolved mentally? Its not just technology, but knowledge of the world and the known universe (and in turn quality of life) that have skyrocketed over the years.

Well, accumulated knowledge doesn't mean increased mental ability.

The ancients understood MORE, with much less in the way of accumulated knowledge.

We have time in our favor. TONS of experience to learn from. We are supposed to learn from our mistakes, but instead of increasing in our WISDOM and understanding, our generations continue to figure out more and more ways to make the same mistakes over and over again. It's becoming more and more easy to manipulate the masses nowadays.

With all the resources at our fingertips, we should be far more wise then the ancients, but we are not.
 
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