Texas Rangers 2018-2019 Offseason Thread

The Q · Dec 13, 2018

saddles said:
Romano hasn't failed at starting to this point.

See line 1.

Not saying he can't start, but its rare to come out of the R5 and start day 1 for an MLB team.

saddles · Dec 13, 2018

The Q said:
See line 1.

Not saying he can't start, but its rare to come out of the R5 and start day 1 for an MLB team.

Yep, Daniel's said he is being converted to a reliever. So, I guess there is something about his makeup that tells them he can't be successful as a starter.

Kelleyman · Dec 13, 2018

Nightcrawler · Dec 13, 2018

The Q said:
I never got why they wouldn’t get a retractable roof as well. People don’t like scorching heat just like freezing cold

You can blame GWB for that.

DT LUNA · Dec 13, 2018

Nightcrawler said:
You can blame GWB for that.

???

saddles · Dec 13, 2018

Nightcrawler said:
You can blame GWB for that.

He was the mouthpiece of a large group of owners. He only owned a small chunk of the team.

DT LUNA · Dec 13, 2018

saddles said:
He was the mouthpiece of a large group of owners. He only owned a small chunk of the team.

But could he have been the reason? I don't know

Nightcrawler · Dec 13, 2018

DT LUNA said:
But could he have been the reason? I don't know

A lot of people say he was real vocal about saying “baseball is an outdoor game and should be played outside”.

The decision was obviously made by some out of touch rich dude who wouldn’t have had to be outside in the near deathly heat all the time.

It’s one thing to be in the stands, but being on the field probably feels twice as bad. The new stadium can’t get here soon enough.

Kelleyman · Dec 13, 2018

Nightcrawler said:
A lot of people say he was real vocal about saying “baseball is an outdoor game and should be played outside”.

The decision was obviously made by some out of touch rich dude who wouldn’t have had to be outside in the near deathly heat all the time.

It’s one thing to be in the stands, but being on the field probably feels twice as bad. The new stadium can’t get here soon enough.

Weird timing as the retractable roof market had not hit yet. But yes. Owners profited due to tax money concessions including our former president. The old Arlington stadium was just a retread minor league park and the Ballpark was a huge upgrade. Got to be there the day it opened. Still seems new but some blame the purist owners. Now we wonder if they will play on grass. I bet we don't and if we do it won't be for long

Bmurph · Dec 14, 2018

saddles said:
He has mostly been a NL pitcher and that goes a long way with JD.

Too bad all those NL guys haven't really gone a long way in giving us solid results on the field. Though Hamels did have some very good results in few games.

Bmurph · Dec 14, 2018

Kelleyman said:
What did you guys expect for FA pitcher signings? Morton signs 2 years 30 Million. We get Lynn for 3 years at same price. He will eat innings and reasonably projects as a 3 Rd starter. Is peripherals improved drastically with Yanks and coming off TJS may even do better? And he is not that old.

Just sounds like moaning and groaning and negativity to me.
This was not a bargain basement move

I dont see it as bargain basement, just a bad move. Probably a substantial overpay. I think we could find another guy somewhere, to eat innings and pitch to a 5+ era that might not block any young guys and wouldn't cost 10 million per.

Kelleyman · Dec 14, 2018

Bmurph said:
I dont see it as bargain basement, just a bad move. Probably a substantial overpay. I think we could find another guy somewhere, to eat innings and pitch to a 5+ era that might not block any young guys and wouldn't cost 10 million per.

F he has a 5+ ERA then of course it is an overpay. Some might say go cheaper if you think the Rangers are irrelevant for 3 years and you can not flip him.

Perception of the future is huge in the trading of contracts.

I believe this has been a huge factor in us not being able to trade Choo to unblock a guy like Calhoun. I think Choo has outperformed his future perception as an aging star much more so than an Albert P but this perception remains-" Choos performance will slide drastically as he ages." Offensively it has not. The only valid point is that he is below average defensively.

Back to Lynn- I Would like to think we would be relevant in 2020 which is of course an unknown. If Lynn pitches well then this is a good move for a middle of the rotation starter. If he pitches well and we can flip him if 2020 is a bust then I am fine with that too

saddles · Dec 14, 2018

Kelleyman said:
F he has a 5+ ERA then of course it is an overpay. Some might say go cheaper if you think the Rangers are irrelevant for 3 years and you can not flip him.

Perception of the future is huge in the trading of contracts.

I believe this has been a huge factor in us not being able to trade Choo to unblock a guy like Calhoun. I think Choo has outperformed his future perception as an aging star much more so than an Albert P but this perception remains-" Choos performance will slide drastically as he ages." Offensively it has not. The only valid point is that he is below average defensively.

Back to Lynn- I Would like to think we would be relevant in 2020 which is of course an unknown. If Lynn pitches well then this is a good move for a middle of the rotation starter. If he pitches well and we can flip him if 2020 is a bust then I am fine with that too

Choo has always been tradable if we eat enough of his contract. That is the sticking point. We would be better off spending the money we are giving Lynn on eating Choo's contract in a trade and going with a cheaper option at SP.

The Q · Dec 14, 2018

Kelleyman said:
F he has a 5+ ERA then of course it is an overpay. Some might say go cheaper if you think the Rangers are irrelevant for 3 years and you can not flip him.

Perception of the future is huge in the trading of contracts.

I believe this has been a huge factor in us not being able to trade Choo to unblock a guy like Calhoun. I think Choo has outperformed his future perception as an aging star much more so than an Albert P but this perception remains-" Choos performance will slide drastically as he ages." Offensively it has not. The only valid point is that he is below average defensively.

Back to Lynn- I Would like to think we would be relevant in 2020 which is of course an unknown. If Lynn pitches well then this is a good move for a middle of the rotation starter. If he pitches well and we can flip him if 2020 is a bust then I am fine with that too

A bigger problem is choo is not good defensively. And unless you’re an Ortiz type, a good dh just isn’t as valuable anymore

jta4437 · Dec 14, 2018

Choo and Lynn aren't on the same planet in terms of moving a contract and financial sunk cost

Choo was impossible to move because of the money left and and the number of years,

We're splitting hairs on one year of Lynn, Y'all must be REALLY bored, because before people were complaining that we were doing nothing and our rotation was terrible, well its probably not as bad as it was and its costing us 10 million a year, and hopefully he's more Yankees Lynn and less Twins Lynn

You want a better deal than that, then you really start getting into the projects/scrap heap types, and most of those don't even pan out, see Tyson Ross, Brandon Webb, etc...\

The A's really hit the scrap heap jackpot with starting pitchers last year

jta4437 · Dec 14, 2018

saddles said:
Choo has always been tradable if we eat enough of his contract. That is the sticking point. We would be better off spending the money we are giving Lynn on eating Choo's contract in a trade and going with a cheaper option at SP.

I don't disagree with this either

Kelleyman · Dec 14, 2018

saddles said:
Choo has always been tradable if we eat enough of his contract. That is the sticking point. We would be better off spending the money we are giving Lynn on eating Choo's contract in a trade and going with a cheaper option at SP.

Of course he is tradeable just like Josh was with Halos eating the whole contract.

Not saying your route is wrong if it is about helping Willie Takes development but your move makes us a worse team this year and maybe for 2020. To me if Lynn performs over a 10 Million level we have options

Trading Choo though could be looked upon as a sunk cost though regardless of what we throw in.

Main debate is whether we overpaid for Lynn. That remains to be seen but like said he made progress with Yanks even in their hitter friendly park

saddles · Dec 14, 2018

Some things to keep in mind when looking at Lance Lynn's ERA when pitching for the Yankees. It is a 9 game sample size. Not terribly small, but not very big either. Even with that his ERA in that time was 4.60.

Looking at those 9 starts it was really skewed towards pitching against very poor offenses. He pitched one game in that stretch against a good team and that was his one game against Seattle. The rest included two games each against the White Sox, and the Blue Jays. The other four starts were against the Rangers, the Orioles, the Marlins, and the Tigers. Toronto was the tenth best offense in the AL and the other AL clubs Lynn faced fared worse than Toronto. The Marlins were eleventh in the NL. Against that cast of characters even a mediocre pitcher should have had a very good ERA and he put up a 4.60.

That being said, if they are willing to cut him or trade him for next to nothing when a young pitcher is ready to pitch then that is fine. They haven't shown the willingness to do that very often before though if it means eating that big of a contract. again, don't tell me we can't afford to eat Choo's contract if we can afford Lynn.

saddles · Dec 14, 2018

Kelleyman said:
Of course he is tradeable just like Josh was with Halos eating the whole contract.

Not saying your route is wrong if it is about helping Willie Takes development but your move makes us a worse team this year and maybe for 2020. To me if Lynn performs over a 10 Million level we have options

Trading Choo though could be looked upon as a sunk cost though regardless of what we throw in.

Main debate is whether we overpaid for Lynn. That remains to be seen but like said he made progress with Yanks even in their hitter friendly park

There is no comparison between Josh's situation at that time and Choo's now. None at all.

It doesn't matter one iota if we win 65 or 75 games in 2019. Who cares if we are a little worse. Calhoun could very well be a better player than Choo in 2020 and that wouldn't be a shock at all given their respective ages and Willie's potential. The amount of wins in 2020 most likely won't matter much either except when it comes to the draft in 2021.

BULLPEN FAILURE · Dec 14, 2018

Kelleyman said:
What did you guys expect for FA pitcher signings? Morton signs 2 years 30 Million. We get Lynn for 3 years at same price. He will eat innings and reasonably projects as a 3 Rd starter. Is peripherals improved drastically with Yanks and coming off TJS may even do better? And he is not that old.

Just sounds like moaning and groaning and negativity to me.
This was not a bargain basement move

The market is naturally getting more expensive. 3 guaranteed years seems a bit much, but $10m/year is roughly the cost for guys like Lynn these days.

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