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i have done this before with you , it went nowhere . its in this thread just go back and look

Don’t worry @skinsdad62. That’s the self proclaimed conservative, with every damn liberal talking point.
 

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What?

You're arguing one race is worse off because of its own inherent selfishness.

What does that have to do with this?

Actually, I said it wasn’t inherent.

One race is worse off because more individuals have made poor choices.

You really don’t get individuality do you?
 

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Aaand now we're back where we started with you refusing to offer any explanation for why one race has more of a problem with this than another.

Because they human. They are individuals. Their individual choices have led them to where they are...some success and some failure. Just like white people.
 

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Don’t worry @skinsdad62. That’s the self proclaimed conservative, with every damn liberal talking point.

I mean...we already went through my views. I think I showed I'm a conservative. In fact I would argue any true conservative would've jumped ship from the republican party a while ago.

The Republican party is not synonymous with conservatism.

Id also rather be objective than blindly defend "my side" but I'm not gonna expect somebody with the username "libhater" to understand the meaning of putting country over party.
 

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Actually, I said it wasn’t inherent.

One race is worse off because more individuals have made poor choices.

You really don’t get individuality do you?

Right right right. It's just magically there on a large scale. Not inherent.
 

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Because they human. They are individuals. Their individual choices have led them to where they are...some success and some failure. Just like white people.

And one group is just making those bad choices at a higher rate than another and your reasoning is... just cuz.

Way to hide behind your faux desire to stick up for the individual though.
 

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Look above Ebb , I have done this exercise before . I got the data , posted it and you never reacted to it. It’s in this thread , go back and look at it but I won’t do it again for you just to get the same results
 

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Right right right. It's just magically there on a large scale. Not inherent.

Oh...you believe it is inherent. That makes you a racist.


And one group is just making those bad choices at a higher than another and your reasoning is... just cuz.

Way to hide behind your faux desire to stick up for the individual though.

Who is hiding? Is it not sticking up for the individual to acknowledge they are free to do what they please with the understanding of consequences? If you study hard and value education, then success is much more prominent. If you have children with your wife, then success for you and your children are greater. My beliefs aren’t really hard to figure out and they are consistent. Every individual has the chance to succeed if they work hard and choose wisely.
 

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Oh...you believe it is inherent. That makes you a racist.




Who is hiding? Is it not sticking up for the individual to acknowledge they are free to do what they please with the understanding of consequences? If you study hard and value education, then success is much more prominent. If you have children with your wife, then success for you and your children are greater. My beliefs aren’t really hard to figure out and they are consistent. Every individual has the chance to succeed if they work hard and choose wisely.

Lol cute try. Own up to your shit dude. At least that would be a little bit respectable.

So why is one group of individuals having more trouble with this? Or are you just gonna keep dodging that question?
 

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Lol cute try. Own up to your shit dude. At least that would be a little bit respectable.

So why is one group of individuals having more trouble with this? Or are you just gonna keep dodging that question?

What didn’t I own up to? I have been very consistent.

Why are you grouping black people? Why are you grouping white people? I have stated numerous times the true issue is crime and single parent households, along with education. All of those things come back to decisions.

Do you believe the average inner city kid takes school as serious as those in the suburbs?

Do you believe there is higher crime in the inner city?

Do you believe black people have children outside of marriage at a higher rate?


Why is it black children outside of the inner city see success at a higher rate...however we determine success?
 

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What didn’t I own up to? I have been very consistent.

Why are you grouping black people? Why are you grouping white people? I have stated numerous times the true issue is crime and single parent households, along with education. All of those things come back to decisions.

Do you believe the average inner city kid takes school as serious as those in the suburbs?

Do you believe there is higher crime in the inner city?

Do you believe black people have children outside of marriage at a higher rate?


Why is it black children outside of the inner city see success at a higher rate...however we determine success?

That you believe certain races are better than others. Some call it racism but ya know to each their own.

Because there are significant differences in outcomes for those groups. It's almost like it's a super relevant point that would only be ignored and avoided by somebody who preferred to keep things in the status quo.

No you use those things as your cop out. And then you use selfishness as your cop out to explain them. What's causing the selfishness (according to you) to be more relevant in one race than another?

*Cue the dodge*

Yes Id assume so. Do you believe the kid in the inner city has the same school environment as the kid in the suburbs?

Hmmm it's almost like something is causing all of these differences your mentioning. Could it... Could it... Could it be racism in a country with a long history of slavery, violence, segregation, and racism continuing to this day??

No. No it's probably just that black people just HAPPEN to be more selfish. Yea that makes more sense.

*Eyes roll out of head and out the door*
 

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That you believe certain races are better than others. Some call it racism but ya know to each their own.

Because there are significant differences in outcomes for those groups. It's almost like it's a super relevant point that would only be ignored and avoided by somebody who preferred to keep things in the status quo.

No you use those things as your cop out. And then you use selfishness as your cop out to explain them. What's causing the selfishness (according to you) to be more relevant in one race than another?

*Cue the dodge*

Yes Id assume so. Do you believe the kid in the inner city has the same school environment as the kid in the suburbs?

Hmmm it's almost like something is causing all of these differences your mentioning. Could it... Could it... Could it be racism in a country with a long history of slavery, violence, segregation, and racism continuing to this day??

No. No it's probably just that black people just HAPPEN to be more selfish. Yea that makes more sense.

*Eyes roll out of head and out the door*

Well, I will never say that one race is better than another because I don’t believe one race is better. Seriously, what would pigmentation have to do with being better?

Are there significant differences in outcomes...with all factors being equal? Nope. If you compare felons to felons, education levels to education levels, socioeconomic statuses to economic statuses, and so on, the results will be similar.

Really? That is hilarious. Of course the environment is different because people are different. Also, you are the one who dodged questions.

Long history of slavery? Dude...do some math and compare it to every other nation on the planet. Violence? Again, do some comparisons and some math. Every country is and has been segregated by numerous categories.

Nope....everybody is exactly the same. “Everything’s awesome. Everything is the way it should be.” Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you, you whiny ass millennial that refuses to see choices have consequences.
 

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Well, I will never say that one race is better than another because I don’t believe one race is better. Seriously, what would pigmentation have to do with being better?

Are there significant differences in outcomes...with all factors being equal? Nope. If you compare felons to felons, education levels to education levels, socioeconomic statuses to economic statuses, and so on, the results will be similar.

Really? That is hilarious. Of course the environment is different because people are different. Also, you are the one who dodged questions.

Long history of slavery? Dude...do some math and compare it to every other nation on the planet. Violence? Again, do some comparisons and some math. Every country is and has been segregated by numerous categories.

Nope....everybody is exactly the same. “Everything’s awesome. Everything is the way it should be.” Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you, you whiny ass millennial that refuses to see choices have consequences.

No you're smart enough to never explicitly say it I'll give you that. Which we know to you is the only way to be proven guilty of racism.

Yes. There are. But even if there weren't... Don't you think the fact that the significant differences in criminal status, education, etc. might be caused by something and ooh I don't know kind of impactful.

Ooh yes. Other countries have also been racist and violent as shit to minorities so that makes us ok...uhhh no. We have a long history of all that shit. That shit doesn't just go away in the blink of an eye (evidently). Especially when a lot of people either want to or are at least indifferent to maintaining some advantages.

Not sure what your last line is. Nothing you said there seems to relate to anything I said. Maybe your just upset that somebody is calling you on your bullshit.
 

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No you're smart enough to never explicitly say it I'll give you that. Which we know to you is the only way to be proven guilty of racism.

Yes. There are. But even if there weren't... Don't you think the fact that the significant differences in criminal status, education, etc. might be caused by something and ooh I don't know kind of impactful.

Ooh yes. Other countries have also been racist and violent as shit to minorities so that makes us ok...uhhh no. We have a long history of all that shit. That shit doesn't just go away in the blink of an eye (evidently). Especially when a lot of people either want to or are at least indifferent to maintaining some advantages.

Not sure what your last line is. Nothing you said there seems to relate to anything I said. Maybe your just upset that somebody is calling you on your bullshit.

Nope...if what I say is true, it is a fact that I am the exact opposite of racist.

Criminal status is complete choice. This is the law. You choose to disobey the law. You are found guilty of a crime. You are then a criminal. 100% choice...based on self.

I am sure there are differences in education to include peer pressure, lack of assistance at home, and of course your personal choice on how seriously to take school.

I didn’t excuse it but you used it as a specific against this country who vanquished slavery quicker than any country in history. Why is it this country seems to be the only one that revels in the past mistakes instead of all the good it has done and how quickly it has done it? What advantages do we hold onto...be specific?

I am calling you a drone...a puppet, incapable of free thought. A puppet who believes everybody is exactly the same, with the same desires, and no inate abilities.
 

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Oh...let me add this.

If I believe a black man can help himself because he is fully capable, but you believe a black man requires the help of white people to free himself of whatever imaginary bonds you put him in...what does that make you? It makes you a racist.
 

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Look you both can’t be calling each other racists . I really think I will have to do away with this thread and ban politics on the skins football forum

Sorry but we can’t have this here

I will take some time to mull it over
 

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Look you both can’t be calling each other racists . I really think I will have to do away with this thread and ban politics on the skins football forum

Sorry but we can’t have this here

I will take some time to mull it over

I didn’t really call him one. I showed him how he was one.
 

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I didn’t really call him one. I showed him how he was one.

I will have to mull this over but I lean to. Banning it . It’s going south in a hurry
 

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One of the most funny things people have commented on about Cohen and Stormy. And the blind listening of of left wing news often leads to BS being exposed .

Lying about an extra marital affair isn’t a high crime or misdemeanor . Not an impeachable offense . Many leftists used that argument about Bill Clinton and rightfully so

Waters , Pelosi , Schumer and the gang sang that tune then

Now please tell me paying a prostitute hush money out of your own pocket is a crime ? It isn’t nor is lying about it.

Congress has a slush fund that is used to pay off people who accuse them of sexual misconduct . 17 million dollars people , tax payer mind you , and it has been used 268 times . Now run this up to court and tell me how that ends up . I will tell you nowhere . I wonder how many of these payouts happened during elections ?

Now we have Cohen saying he helped Trump cover up other sexual liaisons . Again , so what ? Are you making the case he wouldn’t have won if it was made public ? Laughable

Lest we forget that infamous NBC video coming out during the election and the parade of women claiming all kinds of sexual misconduct !
What happened ? He still won even though
That information was out.

Now you keep listening to the press who tell you what you want to hear giving you false hope that it will all come crashing down

In the mean time I will put this in the latest failed smoking gun gotcha moments that will enter the scrap heap of broken dreams
 
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