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Mid Major schools should have their own division

rmilia1

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Well, are you really getting away from games that are irrelevant? Are many people really going to tune into a 5 vs 28 game? Or a 8 vs 25 game? I'm not going to watch Notre Dame vs San Diego St, or West Virginia vs NC State. With 16 games in a week or so's time, I'm probably going to watch maybe 3 of them. It's the same way I watch the NCAA tournament in the first and second rounds. I watch my team (if they are still around), and maybe 5-10 minutes of the top teams (they often dominate in the first few rounds). Then, I may turn to a game that is an "upset alert".

It seems like WAY too many games to me if you include 32 teams. It would likely be more viewers than the bowl games, but you are competing against the holidays and the end of the NFL at this time. I just don't know if a 32 team tournament would be as popular as you think it would be.
How many more people watch a 2 vs 15 NCAA tourney game than would watch that same game if it were regular season ?
 

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So if they are cutting down to only ten game season, you are okay with no games like Auburn-Washington, Michigan-Notre Dame, Stanford-Notre Dame, Texas-USC? You think every team is going to use their one non conference game on a tough team?
You could still see those but I'd rather see them in a playoff than in ooc
 

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How many more people watch a 2 vs 15 NCAA tourney game than would watch that same game if it were regular season ?

That is the problem. If that regular game meant the loser would be likely eliminated from the playoff picture, I think it would have a more entertainment value.
 

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Oh, I guess it didn’t. But most teams won’t even spend the money to play in it.
Word . Bowl games are kind of the same way . Most programs lose money playing in them but you can't really turn then down because of exposure
 

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You could still see those but I'd rather see them in a playoff than in ooc
Or you could have it like now where you get more quality games with OOC and bowl games.
 

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That is the problem. If that regular game meant the loser would be likely eliminated from the playoff picture, I think it would have a more entertainment value.
If you did CBB like cfb the 15 seed wouldn't even need to worry about it as they'd have no chance to begin with
 

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If you did CBB like cfb the 15 seed wouldn't even need to worry about it as they'd have no chance to begin with

Exactly, so you eliminate the 15 seed during the regular season, instead of at that end. No need to waste people's time in a postseason game at the end of the season in football...especially when football games are once a week, and basketball can have at least two games in a week.
 

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Or you could have it like now where you get more quality games with OOC and bowl games.
Bowl games aren't quality . There's maybe 6-8 good ones a year. The rest are junk
 

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If you do home and homes with your 1 OOC game, then you only get paid every other year. If teams for some reason did that, it's not the $10 million lost, it's closer to $12.5 million, assuming 5 million profit for a home game. So most teams will be bringing in paycheck teams so they can have that home game every year.

And this $10 million might just be what the top teams lose, but the bottom teams also lose a large % of their revenue, because they also lose 2 games. And if they don't make the magical top 32, there shit is just done for the year on less revenue as a whole, outside the conference payouts.

It's so bad it's funny.
That's not entirely true.

For schools in the SEC it would for sure be a MUCH bigger hit as you all can have like 8 home games now? UW has 7 every year where they rotate the H/H based off the unbalanced conf slate taking the road portion the year we get 5 home games and the home game the years we only get 4.

For UW and the others in the same boat, you get 5 home games now. Tough shit nancy. They lose two games of income. For Bama you lose 3. Suck it up buttercup it's for the greater good. :L

His expected windfall for all those extra playoff games is supposed to make up for ALL of those lost home games, the lost revenue for the G5's and FCS teams no longer able to play at large schools, and still have extra profits on top. Because he is SURE an early round game will bring in as many viewers and as much travel/fans as the current first round. It's stupid. Those will be either corporate seats and/or 3/4 empty in early rounds and anyone being rational will see that. There is no way they bring in anything even close to what he thinks now.

The reason the shitty bowls work at all is they are the last game of the year for their respective schools. What travel they get is because that's all they have. He wants Bama fans to travel in droves to 5 post season games. Spend as much money and take as much time off of work FIVE FUCKING TIMES in a short span. It's ludicrous. It can't and won't work. Oh wait, he's going to next say screw the neutral site stuff then and make them glorified home games. Bama gets 4 free home games and only the title is neutral site. That's what they do in the other divisions right? So the rich get MUCH richer and the poor eat a ton more shit. They eat all that travel and ask their fans for support up to 4 straight weeks. Sure, that seems fair and right. :L

It's so basically wrong on every level that its hard to just key in on one failed aspect of it. It really is.
 

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Bowl games aren't quality . There's maybe 6-8 good ones a year. The rest are junk
And there will be more quality games with a 16 game playoff? Especially when you eliminate every single quality OOC game.
 

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Exactly, so you eliminate the 15 seed during the regular season, instead of at that end. No need to waste people's time at the end in football...especially when football games are once a week, and basketball can have at least two games in a week.
The 15 seed is eliminated in CFB before the season even starts .

The point is that 70% of cfb has zero chance of making the playoff before opening kick opening day . Another 20% are finished by week 6 and another 5% by week 9.

If "every game matters" means 95% of games don't matter then I think you've got it right lol

So let me ask you. Ask a Michigan fan did you enjoy your basketball teams runs in 2013 and 2018?

Be honest . Of course you did. In 10 years when you discuss those teams will you lead with "well we finished 5th in the B10" or will you lead with " we made it to the Natty"
 

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And there will be more quality games with a 16 game playoff? Especially when you eliminate every single quality OOC game.
It's likely be about the same amount of quality games in total ( don't forget you'd be adding a league game for SEC and ACC ). Total amount would be similar be you'd have more meaning in the playoff plus you'd likely see more teams playing a quality OOC opponent with that one game as it'd help you more.
 

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The 15 seed is eliminated in CFB before the season even starts .

The point is that 70% of cfb has zero chance of making the playoff before opening kick opening day . Another 20% are finished by week 6 and another 5% by week 9.

If "every game matters" means 95% of games don't matter then I think you've got it right lol

So let me ask you. Ask a Michigan fan did you enjoy your basketball teams runs in 2013 and 2018?

Be honest . Of course you did. In 10 years when you discuss those teams will you lead with "well we finished 5th in the B10" or will you lead with " we made it to the Natty"
Iowa started the 2015 season unranked and not receiving any votes and were one game away from making the playoffs. But yeah, a team that was a 15 seed before the season has no shot at a title.
 

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It's likely be about the same amount of quality games in total ( don't forget you'd be adding a league game for SEC and ACC ). Total amount would be similar be you'd have more meaning in the playoff plus you'd likely see more teams playing a quality OOC opponent with that one game as it'd help you more.
Except you are necessarily adding a league game to the ACC and SEC.
 

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Bowl games aren't quality . There's maybe 6-8 good ones a year. The rest are junk
But you bring up this blanket statement about how obvious it is that basketball gets more eyes than football.

Quick math from this
CFB Bowl Wrap: Most Games Up
site and I came up with 208 million TV viewers across college football post season.

Now it's on you to show us how obviously many more watch the mens tournament.

That's just eyes on TV. That's not fans actually traveling to them and watching in person. We KNOW that number would entirely shatter what happens in the tourney. Despite all those extra games. We all have seen how empty some of those early round games are.

But go ahead and give us your best shot.
 

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The 15 seed is eliminated in CFB before the season even starts .

The point is that 70% of cfb has zero chance of making the playoff before opening kick opening day . Another 20% are finished by week 6 and another 5% by week 9.

If "every game matters" means 95% of games don't matter then I think you've got it right lol

So let me ask you. Ask a Michigan fan did you enjoy your basketball teams runs in 2013 and 2018?

Be honest . Of course you did. In 10 years when you discuss those teams will you lead with "well we finished 5th in the B10" or will you lead with " we made it to the Natty"

But the same thing happens in basketball. When was the last time a 15 seed won an NCAA tournament championship? Those teams are eliminated from winning a championship based solely on who they are placed against in the bracket.

Here is my question, how many different teams have won the NCAA men's basketball tournament the past 15 years, and how many different teams have won the college football national championship during that same 15 years?
 

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Except you are necessarily adding a league game to the ACC and SEC.
?? Yes ? They play 8 now. They'd need to play 9.

Listen I know 32 is never going to happen I'm just saying it could work and I think it'd be more exciting for more fans , more teams and make more games meaningful
 

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But you bring up this blanket statement about how obvious it is that basketball gets more eyes than football.

Quick math from this
CFB Bowl Wrap: Most Games Up
site and I came up with 208 million TV viewers across college football post season.

Now it's on you to show us how obviously many more watch the mens tournament.

That's just eyes on TV. That's not fans actually traveling to them and watching in person. We KNOW that number would entirely shatter what happens in the tourney. Despite all those extra games. We all have seen how empty some of those early round games are.

But go ahead and give us your best shot.
Well the first round games averaged 4.8 million viewers. That is 160 million right there lol
 

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But the same thing happens in basketball. When was the last time a 15 seed won an NCAA tournament championship? Those teams are eliminated from winning a championship based solely on who they are placed against in the bracket.

Here is my question, how many different teams have won the NCAA men's basketball tournament the past 15 years, and how many different teams have won the college football national championship during that same 15 years?
The point is that a 15 seed could win though . It's adding excitement to their season , creating more viewers, making more games mean something and creating memories for when a 15 beats a 2 . No one cares about a low seed winning it all or even believes they could . It's about interest all across CFB
 

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