Mid Major schools should have their own division

4down20 · Oct 18, 2018

rmilia1 said:
No is arguing which sport generates more money . CFB stadiums seat 4-5 times as much as CBB stadiums and more people watch per game. You're missing the point though . CBB postseason generates more money and far more viewers than bowl season. Expanding the playoffs would add billions to the FBS schools bottom lines AND be better for the fans .

You are so full of shit.

Beengay fudgepackers · Oct 18, 2018

Deep Creek said:
discounted bull shit tourney > no tourney

discounted bull shit bowl game > no bowl game

one win season > no win season....believe, I know about this one fo sho

Well, I get to watch NIT games every year. That’s pretty cool. I’d rather play in the NIT than a stupid mid major tourney. That tourney would fold faster than the CBI did.

rmilia1 · Oct 18, 2018

4down20 said:
You are so full of shit.

Lol ok man . It's just jath but whatever .

rmilia1 · Oct 18, 2018

Beengay fudgepackers said:
Well, I get to watch NIT games every year. That’s pretty cool. I’d rather play in the NIT than a stupid mid major tourney. That tourney would fold faster than the CBI did.

CBI didn't fold.... Lol. North Texas won it last year

4down20 · Oct 18, 2018

rmilia1 said:
Lol ok man . It's just jath but whatever .

WizardHawk · Oct 18, 2018

rmilia1 said:
Ok there are 130 teams theoretically eligible to make the CFB playoff . Better ? Lol

Point is there are FAR more total people who watch CBB every year than CFB ( as you'd expect with 9 times the games ) but CFB is more popular on a per game basis . It's stupid not to capitalize on that by copying the format off CBB for their postseason which dwarfs CFB in popularity . Bowls are fine but a 7-5 BC vs 7-5 NW is far less watched than a 8 vs 9 NCAA tourney game .

Says FAR more total people watch college basketball than football.

rmilia1 said:
No is arguing which sport generates more money . CFB stadiums seat 4-5 times as much as CBB stadiums and more people watch per game. You're missing the point though . CBB postseason generates more money and far more viewers than bowl season. Expanding the playoffs would add billions to the FBS schools bottom lines AND be better for the fans .

Then admits college makes more money (also means more total people watching)

rmilia1 said:
Lol ok man . It's just jath but whatever .

I think your jath is off man. :heh:

No one cares about regular season mens basketball outside of the handful of diehards. The tourney is popular largely because of the betting opportunities. The vast majority of people watching it have no idea what they are watching... because they don't follow the regular season.

Would a football tournament also be popular for the same reason? Sure, somewhat. It would likely attract a few more bettors and people following pools and whatnot. It would also kill the regular season and reward mediocrity just like college basketball does.

It is FAR from the slam dunk everyone wins and everyone will like it more than you portray it to be. That's the point.

We don't need it. College football works just fine as it is. There is no major wrong that needs to be righted. You HAVE to start there before wildly creating a fix. You want a drastic fix to a non existent problem that kills the best part of the sport for a large number of fans.

rmilia1 · Oct 18, 2018

4down20 said:

Not 100 billion but probably 2-3. Championship week and NCAA tourney is 1.1 billion . Football would likely double that if expanded to 32. 16 would probably get to 1.5 or so.

4down20 · Oct 18, 2018

rmilia1 said:
Not 100 billion but probably 2-3. Championship week and NCAA tourney is 1.1 billion . Football would likely double that if expanded to 32. 16 would probably get to 1.5 or so.

I would tell you that such things don't exist in a vacuum and that you aren't actually adding games. But you've already been told, so what's the point?

rmilia1 · Oct 18, 2018

WizardHawk said:
Says FAR more total people watch college basketball than football.

Then admits college makes more money (also means more total people watching)

I think your jath is off man.

No one cares about regular season mens basketball outside of the handful of diehards. The tourney is popular largely because of the betting opportunities. The vast majority of people watching it have no idea what they are watching... because they don't follow the regular season.

Would a football tournament also be popular for the same reason? Sure, somewhat. It would likely attract a few more bettors and people following pools and whatnot. It would also kill the regular season and reward mediocrity just like college basketball does.

It is FAR from the slam dunk everyone wins and everyone will like it more than you portray it to be. That's the point.

We don't need it. College football works just fine as it is. There is no major wrong that needs to be righted. You HAVE to start there before wildly creating a fix. You want a drastic fix to a non existent problem that kills the best part of the sport for a large number of fans.

Yes far more people watch CBB in total than CFB and it's not even close ( there's 9 times as many games )

Yes CFB is more popular on a per game basis

Yes CBB makes far more money on their postseason

Yes CFB makes more in total when you account for 5 times stadium capacities

None of those are opposing ideas. They're proof of how CFB is missing the boat on their postseason.

I don't believe you fail to recognize all this those things as factual.

rmilia1 · Oct 18, 2018

4down20 said:
I would tell you that such things don't exist in a vacuum and that you aren't actually adding games. But you've already been told, so what's the point?

You're adding relevant games and subtracting meaningless ooc games .

4down20 · Oct 18, 2018

rmilia1 said:
You're adding relevant games and subtracting meaningless ooc games .

You're taking $10 million away from the top teams and replacing that with nothing. Then you are simply replacing existing bowl games that already generate large amounts of revenue and claiming that as all new revenue.

You're full of shit and it's just stupid. Piss off.

7Samurai13 · Oct 18, 2018

4down20 said:
You're taking $10 million away from the top teams and replacing that with nothing. Then you are simply replacing existing bowl games that already generate large amounts of revenue and claiming that as all new revenue.

You're full of shit and it's just stupid. Piss off.

They are just going to create 20 new bowl games for the playoffs and no one takes a hit. Fixed.

belcherboy · Oct 18, 2018

rmilia1 said:
You're adding relevant games and subtracting meaningless ooc games .

Well, are you really getting away from games that are irrelevant? Are many people really going to tune into a 5 vs 28 game? Or a 8 vs 25 game? I'm not going to watch Notre Dame vs San Diego St, or West Virginia vs NC State. With 16 games in a week or so's time, I'm probably going to watch maybe 3 of them. It's the same way I watch the NCAA tournament in the first and second rounds. I watch my team (if they are still around), and maybe 5-10 minutes of the top teams (they often dominate in the first few rounds). Then, I may turn to a game that is an "upset alert".

It seems like WAY too many games to me if you include 32 teams. It would likely be more viewers than the bowl games, but you are competing against the holidays and the end of the NFL at this time. I just don't know if a 32 team tournament would be as popular as you think it would be.

WizardHawk · Oct 18, 2018

rmilia1 said:
Yes far more people watch CBB in total than CFB and it's not even close ( there's 9 times as many games )

Yes CFB is more popular on a per game basis

Yes CBB makes far more money on their postseason

Yes CFB makes more in total when you account for 5 times stadium capacities

None of those are opposing ideas. They're proof of how CFB is missing the boat on their postseason.

I don't believe you fail to recognize all this those things as factual.

No, I do not take as factual how many people watch each. I'd rather see something concrete than your blanket assumptions. There are hundreds of college football teams just like their are hundreds of basketball. Many of the smaller arenas hold maybe 7-8k? Football is between 20-100k? You say that's between 4-5 times more. Again, some flawed jath there.

So you will excuse me if I need actual legit facts to backup your words.
A 20 second google search gave these numbers for the title games of each sport last year:
Playoff TV ratings up, probably for a few reasons
Leadoff: College basketball title game hits record low in TV ratings

That's a 16.7 share for football vs 10.3 for basketball.

I don't need to bother to look up total playoffs for both, or more accurately all bowls vs playoffs for basketball because it's up to you to backup your words here.

You entirely want to break what is good about college football in order to 'make it better' when you seriously have no clue what you are talking about in the first place.

It isn't broken and is still the king of sport. It entirely dominates the landscape, and yet you believe somehow it will do nothing but improve copying other sports that aren't nearly as popular. And somehow that makes sense to you.

Dumb ideas are dumb.

7Samurai13 · Oct 18, 2018

rmilia1 said:
Yes far more people watch CBB in total than CFB and it's not even close ( there's 9 times as many games )

Yes CFB is more popular on a per game basis

Yes CBB makes far more money on their postseason

Yes CFB makes more in total when you account for 5 times stadium capacities

None of those are opposing ideas. They're proof of how CFB is missing the boat on their postseason.

I don't believe you fail to recognize all this those things as factual.

So if they are cutting down to only ten game season, you are okay with no games like Auburn-Washington, Michigan-Notre Dame, Stanford-Notre Dame, Texas-USC? You think every team is going to use their one non conference game on a tough team?

WizardHawk · Oct 18, 2018

7Samurai13 said:
So if they are cutting down to only ten game season, you are okay with no games like Auburn-Washington, Michigan-Notre Dame, Stanford-Notre Dame, Texas-USC? You think every team is going to use their one non conference game on a tough team?

Yes, he's entirely fine with that because playoffs are ALL that matters. He's made that very clear.

Further, No one would play ND outside of whatever conf they were forced to join. All independants would be forced to join someone.

I'm sure in his mind that one OOC is specifically to appease 'rivalry' games that others play outside their conf like FSU/Gators and whatnot. But ND would only be able to choose either Stanford OR USC for example. There are many that would vanish. And those that don't have a rivalry worthy of spending every year? Sure, most will pick slop state and use it as a warm up. There won't be any type of penalty if you take auto bids.

It's ill thought out on so many levels.

belcherboy · Oct 18, 2018

7Samurai13 said:
So if they are cutting down to only ten game season, you are okay with no games like Auburn-Washington, Michigan-Notre Dame, Stanford-Notre Dame, Texas-USC? You think every team is going to use their one non conference game on a tough team?

It just sounds bad all the way around to me. Even if you want to expand the tournament so more teams get a chance to win, I'm not sure what it would accomplish in terms of diversity in winning national titles. In the past 15 NCAA basketball tournaments, there have only been 8 different championship teams. Duke, UK, UConn, Kansas are among them, and they've been winning championships for multiple decades now. The top 6-8 programs are still going to be the teams winning the vast majority of the championships.

Personally, I'd rather watch a season where even one loss can eliminate you from the playoffs. Each week is more exciting that way IMO.

4down20 · Oct 18, 2018

7Samurai13 said:
So if they are cutting down to only ten game season, you are okay with no games like Auburn-Washington, Michigan-Notre Dame, Stanford-Notre Dame, Texas-USC? You think every team is going to use their one non conference game on a tough team?

If you do home and homes with your 1 OOC game, then you only get paid every other year. If teams for some reason did that, it's not the $10 million lost, it's closer to $12.5 million, assuming 5 million profit for a home game. So most teams will be bringing in paycheck teams so they can have that home game every year.

And this $10 million might just be what the top teams lose, but the bottom teams also lose a large % of their revenue, because they also lose 2 games. And if they don't make the magical top 32, there shit is just done for the year on less revenue as a whole, outside the conference payouts.

It's so bad it's funny.

Beengay fudgepackers · Oct 18, 2018

rmilia1 said:
CBI didn't fold.... Lol. North Texas won it last year

Oh, I guess it didn’t. But most teams won’t even spend the money to play in it.

7Samurai13 · Oct 18, 2018

4down20 said:
If you do home and homes with your 1 OOC game, then you only get paid every other year. If teams for some reason did that, it's not the $10 million lost, it's closer to $12.5 million, assuming 5 million profit for a home game. So most teams will be bringing in paycheck teams so they can have that home game every year.

And this $10 million might just be what the top teams lose, but the bottom teams also lose a large % of their revenue, because they also lose 2 games. And if they don't make the magical top 32, there shit is just done for the year on less revenue as a whole, outside the conference payouts.

It's so bad it's funny.

FCS teams and mid majors who need the pay day from going to 2 P5 teams every season to fund the athletic department would take the biggest hit.

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