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Mid Major schools should have their own division

Deep Creek

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In what way don't they matter? Because a team no longer has a chance at a national championship?

He's holding onto minutiae of meaning.

'every game matters' has to be interpreted based on the context of the discussion. He's using it entirely in a broad sense here, but typically that phrase is used specifically when talking about expanding playoffs. That means in the case of THAT conversation it's inferred that you are talking about playoff worthy teams.

Of course in a more broad sense every game matters to someone. That's kind of general. However he wants to ALWAYS mix the two.

Not every game matters toward the playoffs. Not every game matters to every fan.

In the usual context it simply means losing has consequences unlike the NFL and most other leagues where .500 teams can make the post season. In college every loss means something fairly substantial. Even to those not otherwise in real competition for the playoffs or even their league. It can mean a bowl game or not which also takes 15 more practices away if you fail that. It has dire consequences. So many rivalries and so many things on the line week to week for over half of the FBS level. And ALL of it matters.

Every game matters to those who are still in it for college football playoffs.

It's silly to think every single team has to have a game that matters towards that individual team getting to the playoffs since they lose games and that ends it for them personally.

But it does go beyond that. Some may say Penn St is out of it due to the 2 losses. But every game they play still matters for Ohio St's SoS for example. Same for TCU. A few weeks ago, Ohio St was all big and bad, played all these tough teams. Now due to those other games that "don't matter" from those teams, Ohio St's SoS is no where near what it appeared to be.

And that goes down through all teams to some degree, although the more removed from a playoff contending team the less effect.

Still, we can go even further and state that at the start of the season - every game matters for the playoffs, since all teams are equal. Sure we know 90% of them really have no chance, but that's the fact no matter what national championship format takes place and what the fuck can you do - hand out participation trophies?

Not sure what the point is really. All the games matter.
If all games matter for the reasons you state, then such would also apply to the regular season for college basketball as well. They "matter" to all those examples referenced in your football examples.

And the "not wanting rendering the regular season meaningless like college basketball has done" by "preserving the regular season where all games matter" has been the spewed bullshit I was referring to.

Both of you know that's been the mantra. Don't say you haven't.
 

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If you were totally independent I bet you could cut a deal that was waaayyyyyy more beneficial for you than your current SEC deal too.

Can't get the Sun Belt Auto bid that way...
 

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If all games matter for the reasons you state, then such would also apply to the regular season for college basketball as well. They "matter" to all those examples referenced in your football examples.

And the "not wanting rendering the regular season meaningless like college basketball has done" by "preserving the regular season where all games matter" has been the spewed bullshit I was referring to.

Both of you know that's been the mantra. Don't say you haven't.
I see no purpose to rehash this endlessly. This boils down to semantics. And it's just not worth pissing over. When it comes to talking about adding more playoff games it HAS to be assumed 'every game matters' is a statement related to that, not UTEP vs Rice. Context matters in language.
 

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I would advocate for Alabama to join the Sun Belt Conference the day after your hare brained plan saw the light of day.

I wouldn't blame you one bit. But you would still have to win
3 games in the playoffs to be the NC. You would be one of 10
teams remaining. The road is the same for all. One road may
have more ice than the other, but the teams on those roads
have more salt trucks in their inventory.
 

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If all games matter for the reasons you state, then such would also apply to the regular season for college basketball as well. They "matter" to all those examples referenced in your football examples.

And the "not wanting rendering the regular season meaningless like college basketball has done" by "preserving the regular season where all games matter" has been the spewed bullshit I was referring to.

Both of you know that's been the mantra. Don't say you haven't.

No, those games don't matter AS MUCH because you can lose so many of the games and still make the playoffs. And the proof of that is that nobody watches anything but the tourney.

Not really sure why this is hard to understand.
 

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I'd be in favor of 8 at this point. Why not? If this were to become legit there would be a separate CFP ranking and it'd be easier to seed the teams. In the meantime:

AAC-UCF
C-USA-FAU
MAC-Toledo
MWC-Boise St
SBC-Troy
at-large-USF
at-large-Memphis
at-large-Fresno St

(1)UCF (12-0) vs (8)Troy (10-2)
(4)USF (9-2) vs (5)Fresno St (9-4)

(2)Memphis (10-2) vs (7)FAU (10-3)
(3)Boise St (10-3) vs (6)Toledo (11-2)


I think it would be fun to watch and it would be something one of the G5 schools could accomplish. Unlike a National Championship which is never going to happen.
 

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No, those games don't matter AS MUCH because you can lose so many of the games and still make the playoffs. And the proof of that is that nobody watches anything but the tourney.

Not really sure why this is hard to understand.
People watch college basketball . Lots of people . There's just far more games so ratings aren't as good as CFB because there's more to choose from . 360 trans playing 30-40 games is always going to have less viewership per game than 130 teams playing 12-13 games. However that doesn't mean " no one watches til the tourney ", that's simply not accurate
 

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As a mid major fan, you can go fuck yourself.


Dude, I'm a UTEP fan. It doesn't get much worse than that. I'd be satisfied with a freaking win against a school..............any school.
 

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People watch college basketball . Lots of people . There's just far more games so ratings aren't as good as CFB because there's more to choose from . 360 trans playing 30-40 games is always going to have less viewership per game than 130 teams playing 12-13 games. However that doesn't mean " no one watches til the tourney ", that's simply not accurate

There are more than 130 college football teams.

The majority of people only watch the tourneys. I'm sure there are a good bit of people who watch the regular season, I try to watch Alabama games and still I miss most.

It's all about the tourney and everyone knows it.

Btw:

There's just far more games so ratings aren't as good

So you want to kill the playoff ratings?
 

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Dude, I'm a UTEP fan. It doesn't get much worse than that. I'd be satisfied with a freaking win against a school..............any school.
:suds:
 

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It's all about the tourney and everyone knows it.
If it were all about the tourney, there wouldn't even be a regular season.

I just checked. Every team has a regular season schedule posted and is playing a bunch of games prior to the tourney.
 

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If it were all about the tourney, there wouldn't even be a regular season.

I just checked. Every team has a regular season schedule posted and is playing a bunch of games prior to the tourney.

Ahh, so we'll just take everything someone says into absolutes because can't make a real point and argue the actual points now?
 

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Dude, I'm a UTEP fan. It doesn't get much worse than that. I'd be satisfied with a freaking win against a school..............any school.
I’m an Illinois state fan and they are on the bubble every year. They never make it though. I’d rather that then play in some discounted bull shit tourney.
 

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There are more than 130 college football teams.

The majority of people only watch the tourneys. I'm sure there are a good bit of people who watch the regular season, I try to watch Alabama games and still I miss most.

It's all about the tourney and everyone knows it.

Btw:



So you want to kill the playoff ratings?
There are 130 D1 CFB teams . There are 360 D1 cbb teams playing 3 times as many games . And no the majority of people do not only watch the tourney . MORE people watch the tourney because it's the best event in all of sports. That's the point
 

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I’m an Illinois state fan and they are on the bubble every year. They never make it though. I’d rather that then play in some discounted bull shit tourney.
discounted bull shit tourney > no tourney

discounted bull shit bowl game > no bowl game

one win season > no win season....believe, I know about this one fo sho
 

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There are 130 D1 CFB teams . There are 360 D1 cbb teams playing 3 times as many games . And no the majority of people do not only watch the tourney . MORE people watch the tourney because it's the best event in all of sports. That's the point

D1 = FBS and FCS, not just FBS.
 

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i would be ok with separating them ... they really aren't on the same playing field anyway
 

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D1 = FBS and FCS, not just FBS.
Ok there are 130 teams theoretically eligible to make the CFB playoff . Better ? Lol

Point is there are FAR more total people who watch CBB every year than CFB ( as you'd expect with 9 times the games ) but CFB is more popular on a per game basis . It's stupid not to capitalize on that by copying the format off CBB for their postseason which dwarfs CFB in popularity . Bowls are fine but a 7-5 BC vs 7-5 NW is far less watched than a 8 vs 9 NCAA tourney game .
 

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Ok there are 130 teams theoretically eligible to make the CFB playoff . Better ? Lol

Point is there are FAR more total people who watch CBB every year than CFB ( as you'd expect with 9 times the games ) but CFB is more popular on a per game basis . It's stupid not to capitalize on that by copying the format off CBB for their postseason which dwarfs CFB in popularity . Bowls are fine but a 7-5 BC vs 7-5 NW is far less watched than a 8 vs 9 NCAA tourney game .

I think you are just making shit up.

How Much Money Do College Sports Generate?

Football Is Still King
Men's basketball is the largest source of the NCAA's total revenue because the NCAA tournament brings in lots of money. But even before teams reach the tournament level, they generate revenue for their schools with individual basketball games. And at these school levels, basketball takes second chair to football for total revenue generated. In fact, football garners more revenue than the next 35 other sports combined at Division I schools. On average, football brings in $31.9 million in revenue, while men's basketball (the second-highest grossing sport) comes in a distant second at $8.1 million. For reference, women's basketball brings in $1.8 million, while rowing brings in just $932,646.
 

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I think you are just making shit up.

How Much Money Do College Sports Generate?

Football Is Still King
Men's basketball is the largest source of the NCAA's total revenue because the NCAA tournament brings in lots of money. But even before teams reach the tournament level, they generate revenue for their schools with individual basketball games. And at these school levels, basketball takes second chair to football for total revenue generated. In fact, football garners more revenue than the next 35 other sports combined at Division I schools. On average, football brings in $31.9 million in revenue, while men's basketball (the second-highest grossing sport) comes in a distant second at $8.1 million. For reference, women's basketball brings in $1.8 million, while rowing brings in just $932,646.
No is arguing which sport generates more money . CFB stadiums seat 4-5 times as much as CBB stadiums and more people watch per game. You're missing the point though . CBB postseason generates more money and far more viewers than bowl season. Expanding the playoffs would add billions to the FBS schools bottom lines AND be better for the fans .
 
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