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Mid Major schools should have their own division

WizardHawk

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Teams don't schedule them for away games, but for the same
reason as playing them at home. They don't want the tough Mid-Major OOC game. It has very little to do with stadium size.
Pure bullshit.

Boise State has no problems getting teams from the Pac to do H/H why? Because travel is easy both for the team, and their fans.

OOC slates are a mixed bag of requirements for all teams. While several teams in the south simply will not travel, most P5's want to. It gives their fans unique opportunities to travel to historic venues. And of course, going to larger stadiums away gives you bigger paydays.

Mid majors provide neither. The gates are small and few have any type of destination that brings interest to season ticket holders and other fans.

It is entirely stupid to suggest P5 teams will schedule Bama, LSU, Ohio State, etc, but are afraid to look bad playing a tough mid major. Let's not forget that most of these schedules are created at least 4 years out and many mid majors surge up and down so there's no way to know at that time you create it if they are going to be that dangerous when you play them. This means you also are rolling the dice on how well it impacts your SoS. It could give it a solid boost, and maybe not. So much of scheduling is about making SURE you have at least one really solid SoS boost game on that slate.

Why do a few SEC teams pretty much refuse H/H? Because of money. Let's not forget college football is the chief revenue generator for most of the athletics at all of our schools. Those teams can force you to come to something close to them where they can count it as a road game (still keep the same number of home games at their stadium plus that 'neutral' game), make it so their fans can reach it easily, get a huge payday, and still get the SoS impact. They can get away with it because teams will still line up to play them and get that SoS, impact on recruiting, good payday themselves, etc.

It is really ignorant to assume the reason teams don't line up to do H/H deals with the flavor of the month at mid major has ANYTHING to do with fear of losing to them. That is nothing but pure fan bullshit speak.
 

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SC doesn't have a problem playing an 11 game P5 1 G5 schedule. They play home and homes ,have never played an FCS team. And have done it without going the independent route




This is part of the problem and why I don't buy into the "water down the regular season myth. The regular season is already watered down. By teams using weak scheduling and guaranteed wins. While avoiding an extra conference loss to pad stats. Whether it be to gain an advantage with the committee. Or for bowl eligibility for a meaningless bowl.

I agree with @rmilia1 theres more money in bowl games (Extended play offs) by adding meaning to those games and putting them in a bigger spotlight alone. So I don't buy the money angle eithe. I also think CCGS should carry a lot more weight too tho. Too much of the current system is based on opinion. Not enough is decided on the field

I prefer games with meaning and a true champion. The play offs are a good start but they really do have a lot of room and need for improvement. I think 8 is the number tho

Surprisingly, I don't have any problem with your comments.

Why don't we have a 10-team playoff though. Conf Champs only
and settle all of it on the field? Totally remove opinion from the
scenario.

Now...ND would have to find themselves a conf to join. So would
the other Independents, or they wouldn't get in the playoff.

It's a very simple procedure...Don't even have to seed it. Do it
regionally using tradition as your opening formula to determine
conf strength and have the playoff schedule of games announced
at the start of the season.

Here's an example...

Week 1: Sun Belt Champ vs C-USA Champ (G1)
Week 1: MAC Champ vs MWC Champ (G2)

Week 2: SEC Champ vs Winner of G1 (G3)
Week 2: ACC Champ vs AAC Champ (G4)
Week 2: Big10 Champ vs Winner G2 (G5)
Week 2: Pac12 Champ vs Big12 Champ (G6)

Week 3: Winner G3 vs Winner G4 (G7)
Week 3: Winner G5 vs Winner G6 (G8)

Week 4: Winner G7 vs Winner G8 (NC Game)

Every bit of it is done on the field of play. Only the scoreboard
decides the National Champion.

You don't need to wait 4 weeks after the regular season to begin
the playoffs. Start them earlier. You could even get schools
eliminated in the first two weeks to be bowl eligible and still
ensure good match-ups in bowl games. (I believe you would want
the semi's and the NC game decided at neutral sites (Bowls)

This NC thing isn't just about money...it is also about power and
prestige and protecting the bottom feeders in every league.
Protect the bottom feeders by protecting recruiting grounds.

If I am a 3-star player and I had a goal of playing in the Playoffs
where would I go to school if given the opportunity...Appy St or
Kansas? Utah State or Oregon St? The chances of making the playoffs at Utah St and/or Appy St are far greater than playing at
Oregon St or Kansas. That creates an even greater disparity in
Conferences than what exists now. And there is a large disparity
now inside of each conference. Rutgers ain't never gonna be on the same level as Ohio State. It ain't gonna happen.

This type of playoff would make that disparity even worst.

With a conf champ only playoff (All conf champs) The arbument
becomes "teams will cheapen their OOC schedules." You've
already stated that most of them already have cheap OOC schedules. The scheduling can't get any worse than what it already is. I wrote earlier that counting Notre Dame the 65 P5
schools are playing a total of 238 OOC games this season. Only
38 of those games are against each other. How much cheaper
can it get. On the positive side, there would be no penalty for
playing a quality OOC game because a loss will not eliminate you
from the playoffs.

The regular season becomes the first round. The elimination round, per se. The Conf Champ eliminates everybody else in its
league. 10 are left standing at the end of the year. They play it off.

We don't do that, because somebody is trying to sell a load of horse shit that we have to know who is the real Number 2.
Who the fuck cares who number 2 is? We can argue about that
all year long.

Settle it all on the field of play. 10 teams eliminate 120 teams.
1 team eliminates 9 teams. That 1 is the National Champion and
it is decided on the scoreboard.

Right now...we have a opening kickoff and before the ball is
fielded 65 teams have been eliminated. (All the midmajors)
Currently, this season we still have half the season in front
of us and 48 P5 schools have been eliminated. (More than 1 loss)

Half the regular season is in front of us and 113 teams have no shot...that's considered a meaningful regular season?

I want the scoreboard to pick my national champ not 13
other men's opinion.
 

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Pure bullshit.

Boise State has no problems getting teams from the Pac to do H/H why? Because travel is easy both for the team, and their fans.

OOC slates are a mixed bag of requirements for all teams. While several teams in the south simply will not travel, most P5's want to. It gives their fans unique opportunities to travel to historic venues. And of course, going to larger stadiums away gives you bigger paydays.

Mid majors provide neither. The gates are small and few have any type of destination that brings interest to season ticket holders and other fans.

It is entirely stupid to suggest P5 teams will schedule Bama, LSU, Ohio State, etc, but are afraid to look bad playing a tough mid major. Let's not forget that most of these schedules are created at least 4 years out and many mid majors surge up and down so there's no way to know at that time you create it if they are going to be that dangerous when you play them. This means you also are rolling the dice on how well it impacts your SoS. It could give it a solid boost, and maybe not. So much of scheduling is about making SURE you have at least one really solid SoS boost game on that slate.

Why do a few SEC teams pretty much refuse H/H? Because of money. Let's not forget college football is the chief revenue generator for most of the athletics at all of our schools. Those teams can force you to come to something close to them where they can count it as a road game (still keep the same number of home games at their stadium plus that 'neutral' game), make it so their fans can reach it easily, get a huge payday, and still get the SoS impact. They can get away with it because teams will still line up to play them and get that SoS, impact on recruiting, good payday themselves, etc.

It is really ignorant to assume the reason teams don't line up to do H/H deals with the flavor of the month at mid major has ANYTHING to do with fear of losing to them. That is nothing but pure fan bullshit speak.

For a starter...Most teams do not schedule 4 years out.
There are only 21 P5 teams with complete schedules for
4 years. (That's OOC games)

The league with the most is the Pac12 with 9 complete
4 year schedules. Only USC, Washington and Washington
St do not have complete schedules. Hopefully you guys
will schedule H&H with Boise because nobody else is.

Future College Football Schedules | FBSchedules.com

Here...you do the research and see if you can call me a liar.
 

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Any system that has ND going from 9-3 to 9-1 I'm completely in favor of.
 

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He ran before he got run off. But to answer your question, yes.

do Badger fans know where Bryce Harper is going to end up next year? i could place some bets
 

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Any system that has ND going from 9-3 to 9-1 I'm completely in favor of.
Lol nd was the only team without a conference so I just went 9-1 but they'd have been in at 8-2 as well . Massey is cool because you can take games out and see where the rankings would be . Very helpful in an exercise like this
 

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do Badger fans know where Bryce Harper is going to end up next year? i could place some bets


Anderson was not a popular hire. Chryst was the one the fans wanted. Barry just wanted him to get more experience.
 

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For a starter...Most teams do not schedule 4 years out.
There are only 21 P5 teams with complete schedules for
4 years. (That's OOC games)

The league with the most is the Pac12 with 9 complete
4 year schedules. Only USC, Washington and Washington
St do not have complete schedules. Hopefully you guys
will schedule H&H with Boise because nobody else is.

Future College Football Schedules | FBSchedules.com

Here...you do the research and see if you can call me a liar.
When it comes to 'A' level games, yes they are scheduled out on average at least that far.

Look at your own link and use your noodle. How many H/H against decent talent goes 4+ years out? How many of them are out to 10 years? If I actually need to come back here and post those averages I will, but it will be just as bad as what follows for you in the end.

And no one is scheduling BSU? Really? :L

Future Boise State Football Schedules | 2019 | FBSchedules.com

Try again chief.

BSU has games against:
FSU, x2 including a home game
MSU, x2 including a home game
Oregon State, x2 including a home game
Oregon, x2 including a home game
WSU, x2 including a home game
and a fucking home game (return of an already played road portion of H/H) with Oklahoma State

That is their CURRENT schedule ffs. They are booked out and full up TEN DAMNED YEARS OUT for their OOC.

So tell us again how NOBODY will schedule with them and absolutely no one has balls enough to go to their home turf. :burt:

This is embarrassingly stupid man.

And FWIW, UW did complete a H/H with them like two years ago? I mean they aren't going to schedule them every year. They did their tour through it and played on the blue turf. From what I heard, they wanted to do another one and BSU didn't have room. Its Petersens former home for over a decade.
 

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For a starter...Most teams do not schedule 4 years out.
There are only 21 P5 teams with complete schedules for
4 years. (That's OOC games)

The league with the most is the Pac12 with 9 complete
4 year schedules. Only USC, Washington and Washington
St do not have complete schedules. Hopefully you guys
will schedule H&H with Boise because nobody else is.

Future College Football Schedules | FBSchedules.com

Here...you do the research and see if you can call me a liar.
Since you brought up UW, I'll add that they are definitely behind on their schedule. In terms of their 'A' game, they currently have one preferably H/H two season hole: 2022, and 2023. They need a home portion in 22, and a road one in 23. Given how near term that is the options are likely slim on making that work. Why? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SCHEDULE IT OUT FAR ENOUGH.

Seriously, you go find the list of ALL of the 'A' Caliber schools with openings that fit that criteria. That list will be very small because most teams already have conflicts that far out.

And once again, no we cannot fill that hole with Boise State because they are completely full until 25, and have their 'A' game slots full through 26 at least.

I mean boy are they struggling to find P5 teams to play. :laugh:

You couldn't be more clueless on how scheduling works if you just landed from another planet.
 

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YEA!!! what he said ^ and the post above that one too!
 

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I wrote earlier that counting Notre Dame the 65 P5
schools are playing a total of 238 OOC games this season. Only
38 of those games are against each other.
That is a very sad statistic. If that number were tripled (still be only 1/2) it would give the CFP committee a lot better data to compare teams. JMO
 

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That is a very sad statistic. If that number were tripled (still be only 1/2) it would give the CFP committee a lot better data to compare teams. JMO
Which is why I advocate an 8 game conference schedule and 2 P5 games mandatory
 

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Which is why I advocate an 8 game conference schedule and 2 P5 games mandatory
In an altruistic world, nothing would have to be mandated. You'd think a school would WANT to provide good OOC games for their fans. I swear if you polled fans they would overhwhelmingly be willing to give up a shitty home OOC game every year for a high quality home OOC game every other year.
 

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In an altruistic world, nothing would have to be mandated. You'd think a school would WANT to provide good OOC games for their fans. I swear if you polled fans they would overhwhelmingly be willing to give up a shitty home OOC game every year for a high quality home OOC game every other year.
Too many programs are worried about struggling to become bowl eligible. And there are plenty fans on here who prefer to have one neutral site game over a home and home. And if you did two P5 games, they could have a quality home game every year.
 

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We just need to go to 16 game regular season 10 conference games no FCS 6 OOC games 3 must be P5 and to settle it at the end of the year Conference champions go head to head with other conferences to make up the playoff
 

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Too many programs are worried about struggling to become bowl eligible. And there are plenty of fans on here who prefer to watch their teams play two or three shitty home OOC opponents every year.

:fify:
 

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In an altruistic world, nothing would have to be mandated. You'd think a school would WANT to provide good OOC games for their fans. I swear if you polled fans they would overhwhelmingly be willing to give up a shitty home OOC game every year for a high quality home OOC game every other year.
This is another example of the disconnect between fans and football program agendas, but yes most fans would prefer the worst games to go away. In before 4D20 tells us how fond he is of shitstain state getting pummeled by Bama, but one of the key reasons I dropped my season tickets was paying for too many games I really had to work hard to convince myself to actually go to because they were just so bad.

As the Spartan pointed out, there are a few reasons why schools do this. If they would just do away with the silly have to be at or above .500 rule these blatant exploits of that rule wouldn't be necessary. SEC teams use it as a fantom extra bye before key big games. Many schools use them as a preseason game to work out kinks before league play.

As long as all of those are realities though, there isn't an end in sight for them.
 

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You say that til the first time 7-2 Washington plays 7-2 Wazzu I'm the Apple Cup for an St large bid to the playoff as opposed to 8-3 Wazzu playing 9-2 Washington to see who plays in the Fosters Farms Bowl lol
That would either be for a spot in the title game or likely for an Alamo Bowl or Holiday Bowl. And the Foster Farms Bowl is now the Red Box Bowl.

Get it right, cocksucker.
 

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Keep it the way it is. Four is perfect. It keeps the regular season games meaningful and allows the teams who are truly deserving to play for it all. If it stays the way it is, one of these days a Group of 5 will get in if things break right and they play the right schedule. The reason UCF was ranked where they were going into the playoffs was the only Power 5 team they beat was Maryland who sucked plus they had multiple very close calls against their conference opponents.

And lastly as a fan of a Group of 5 team, I’m 100% against splitting off into our own division. Why? So the gap can be widened even further than it already is? So we can have folks care even less about us? No thank you.
 
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