Mid Major schools should have their own division

rmilia1 · Oct 16, 2018

WizardHawk said:
So going from 4 to 32 is an improvement, but taking one step farther is just hyperbole? Seems rather arbitrary doesn't it?

No, you did not show how it would work. You gave an ill informed view of your idea and make wild blanket assumptions and spew it as some kind of fact and just insult anyone that actually thinks it through as being stuck in their ways.

You will not answer the question, so I'll ask it again. Do you legitimately believe there is ANY chance at all that even most of your idea will ever come true? If not why?

So using computer rankings and actual league results are "my opinion "?? Lol ok man we get it. You don't like change

rmilia1 · Oct 16, 2018

cwalke3408 said:
| Rating | Viewers (in thousands) | 2017 Reg Season Games
| 7.6 | 13,657 | November 25, 2017 Alabama vs. Auburn (SEC) (CBS)
| 8.0 | 13,466 | December 2, 2017 Georgia vs. Auburn (SEC Champ.) (CBS)
| 7.3 | 12,918 | December 2, 2017 Ohio State vs. Wisconsin (Big Ten Champ.) (FOX)
| 6.9 | 12,335 | September 2, 2017 Alabama vs. FSU (SEC, ACC) (ABC)
| 6.1 | 10,507 | November 25, 2017 Ohio State vs. Michigan (Big Ten) (FOX)
| 5.8 | 9,868 | October 28, 2017 Penn State vs. Ohio State (Big Ten) (FOX)
| 5.2 | 8,419 | December 8, 2017 Army vs. Navy (Ind. America) (CBS)
| 4.6 | 8,081 | September 9, 2017 Oklahoma vs. Ohio State (Big 12, Big Ten) (ABC)
| 4.9 | 7,650 | September 2, 2017 Michigan vs. Florida (Big Ten, SEC) (ABC)
| 4.4 | 7,407 | November 11, 2017 Georgia vs. Auburn (SEC) (CBS)

College football viewership figures 2018 | Statistic

Idk, CFB looks pretty good to me

No one said it wasn't. Everyone here loves CFB. Don't confuse wanting to make something better with meaning you don't love it already . I love my kids but that doesn't mean o don't want then to improve themselves when possible

NolePride · Oct 16, 2018

Wild Turkey said:
They are playing one P5 school. With their schedule there is no defense and I'm not going to listen to them cry either.

I understand all of that. I was just remarking tht to play an
FSU schedule of old, they would have to go the Independent
route. Nobody is going to do that anymore. It's way too big
of a financial risk. Plus, they cannot be guaranteed that the big
schools would play them, if they were an Independent.

Now they could always try to play 4 OOC games against P5 schools
a year and they should try to do that. But the bottom feeders of
the Power 5 leagues won't schedule them because they are fighting
for 6 wins to get bowl eligible. I'm not sure that the upper half
of the P5 leagues want to schedule them, just because it wouldn't
be a guaranteed win.

Teams don't schedule them for away games, but for the same
reason as playing them at home. They don't want the tough Mid-Major OOC game. It has very little to do with stadium size.

Boise seats 36,300. This season 20 P5 teams played OOC games
vs mid-majors on the road. 11 of those games were played in
stadiums smaller than what Boise has.

And there were some big name schools that played in those venues.

VPI @ Old Dominion 20,100
Miami @ Toledo 26,000
Syracuse @ West Mich 30,000
Wake Forest @ Tulane 30,000
Kansas @ Centrl Mich 30,000
TCU @ SMU 32,000
Utah @ No Ill 24,000
Oreg St @ Nevada 27,000
Wash St @ Wyoming 29,000
Indiana @ FIU 20,000
Maryland @ Bowling Green 25,000

They could get P5 teams on their schedule and get them to come
to their place, if they wanted to do that bad enough.

If they can't get them at home and they want to be recognized
then they must take to the road.

We got noticed in 1981 when we didn't play a home game in the
month of October. (Not in proper order) but we played@Pitt @ Ohio State, @ Nebraska @ Notre Dame and @ LSU.

But as stated earlier, because of bowl tie-in's and a lack of quality
other independents, the risk is too great for them to become an
Independent.

kburjr · Oct 16, 2018

Hitman Hart said:
everyone in Madison knew that Gary Andersen was going to bolt for Oregon State after two years?

He ran before he got run off. But to answer your question, yes.

Rolltide94 · Oct 16, 2018

rmilia1 said:
Last year ( based on final conference records including auto bids prior to league title games and at larges based on Massey )

1. Clemson 9-1 vs 32 Toledo 8-2
16 Miami 9-1 vs 17 USC 8-2
8 Auburn 8-2 vs 25 Boise 8-2
9 UCF 10-0 vs 24. Wazzu 7-3
4 Alabama 9-1 vs 29 Troy 8-2
13 Michigan St 8-2 vs 20 So Carolina 7-3
5 Wisconsin 10-0 vs 28 Fresno State 8-2
12 TCU 8-2 vs 21 Virginia Tech 7-3
2 UGA 9-1 vs 31 App St 8-2
7 Penn St vs 26 Memphis 9-1
3 Oklahoma 9-1 vs 30 SDSU 8-2
6 Ohio St 9-1 vs 27 FAU 8-2
10 ND 9-1 vs 23 USF 8-2
11 Ok St 8-2 vs 22 Stanford 7-3
14 NW 8-2 vs 19 LSU 7-3
15 NC St 8-2 vs 18 Washington 8-2

As stated this factors in all true conference records and likelihood of an ooc win or loss based on actual results

So as you see there are zero 4 or 5 loss teams although the last at large was almost a 4 loss Miss St

Why would I want to see Georgia play an Appalachian St team that lost to every P5 team they played last year including Georgia? Or a Toledo team that lost to that Appalachian State team 34-0 play Clemson?

Basketball has a hundred times more parity than football and yet in more than 30 years we've had 1 #64 beat a #1. With AQ qualifiers in football in would be a 100 years. Why would we want to take all the shitty parts of the NCAA tournament and add them to football. I would sooner watch any of the 150+ games you eliminated from the schedule.

Of course, there might be more parity with your system because with only 10 games, 50% of the FCS players would need to find new programs, because theirs quit football.

obxyankeefan · Oct 16, 2018

WizardHawk said:
No, you are right and everyone else is just dumb. An 8 game regular season with 128 team tournament to follow would solve world hunger.

Hot damn UVA is going to the playoffs.

:hammer:

Rolltide94 · Oct 16, 2018

rmilia1 said:
So basically you'd he looking at one killer 1st round games and every game thereafter would be stellar . Replacing 30 bowls no one cares about with 31 awesome playoff games featuring much much better matchups . I can do more years if people are interested

Please do, I can think of nothing I would rather see than more 32 team playoff matchups....

rmilia1 · Oct 16, 2018

Rolltide94 said:
Please do, I can think of nothing I would rather see than more 32 team playoff matchups....

So you pick out the biggest mismatches and pretend thsts all there is? Let me ask you this . Would you rather watch Bama play Arkansas St, ULL and the Citadel or watch them play Troy, Michigan St and Wisconsin ? ( This years ooc vs last year's playoff path )

rmilia1 · Oct 16, 2018

Rolltide94 said:
Please do, I can think of nothing I would rather see than more 32 team playoff matchups....

Also do you think more people would watch Bama vs Troy in a cfb playoff game or more would watch Troy vs North Texas in the New Orleans Bowl ?

Rolltide94 · Oct 16, 2018

rmilia1 said:
The TV rights for CBB tourney bring in 350 million more per year than the football NY6 .Expanding from 7 games to 31 extrapolates to an increased revrnue stream of 1 7 billion dollar PER YEAR. That's 13 million per FBS team if anyone can do math .

Even if your math was even remotely correct, which clearly it's not, because you are attaching the same value to a Porsche and a Volkswagen, every team just lost 5-10 million in home game revenue, and I'm guessing somehow that the fat contract that got signed for 12 game schedules gets reduced by some factor for a 10, say 16.67%. Does everybody get a share of this new playoff money or do the playoff teams get more? How much more is ESPN going to pay when you just eliminated 300+ hours of live broadcast? There is only so much cheerleading competitions I can watch.

ESPN is probably not going to be all that excited about losing the 13 bowl games that are currently owned by ESPN Events either, but that's only the tip of your iceburg.

Rolltide94 · Oct 16, 2018

rmilia1 said:
Also do you think more people would watch Bama vs Troy in a cfb playoff game or more would watch Troy vs North Texas in the New Orleans Bowl ?

That's a false comparison. The two are not equal.

Under your Scenario I replace Bama vs Fresno St and Mercer with Bama vs Troy, and possibly Bama vs Michigan St and Wisconsin.

I'm ok with that as a Bama fan, but what if I'm a Texas fan or Iowa fan. Iowa replaces games against North Texas, Wyoming and Boston College with nothing. Texas replaces games against Maryland, San Jose St and Missouri with nothing.

While I admit I can sympathize with you if you didn't want to see that shit either, but some Iowa fans might be upset.

rmilia1 · Oct 16, 2018

Rolltide94 said:
That's a false comparison. The two are not equal.

Under your Scenario I replace Bama vs Fresno St and Mercer with Bama vs Troy, and possibly Bama vs Michigan St and Wisconsin.

I'm ok with that as a Bama fan, but what if I'm a Texas fan or Iowa fan. Iowa replaces games against North Texas, Wyoming and Boston College with nothing. Texas replaces games against Maryland, San Jose St and Missouri with nothing.

While I admit I can sympathize with you if you didn't want to see that shit either, but some Iowa fans might be upset.

On a year to year basis probably but I'd rather make the top 32 5 out of 10 years than watch crap ooc games and meaningless bowl games . Shit you wouldn't even need to get rid of the meaningless bowl games if you don't want to . Watching 5-5 teams face off is no worse than watching 6-6 teams face off

Rolltide94 · Oct 16, 2018

rmilia1 said:
On a year to year basis probably but I'd rather make the top 32 5 out of 10 years than watch crap ooc games and meaningless bowl games . Shit you wouldn't even need to get rid of the meaningless bowl games if you don't want to . Watching 5-5 teams face off is no worse than watching 6-6 teams face off

Does Iowa feel the same way about losing the revenue from the home game?

What about ESPN, I'm guessing they would feel differently about showing a bowl game that they own, versus a 1 vs 32 matchup that they don't.

Not only are you asking them to replace a for profit bowl game that they own with a playoff game that you want them to pay extra for, but you also want them to eliminate games they've already paid the rights for.

Best of luck with your fantasy league.

TheRobotDevil · Oct 16, 2018

NolePride said:
I understand all of that. I was just remarking tht to play an
FSU schedule of old, they would have to go the Independent
route. Nobody is going to do that anymore. It's way too big
of a financial risk. Plus, they cannot be guaranteed that the big
schools would play them, if they were an Independent.

SC doesn't have a problem playing an 11 game P5 1 G5 schedule. They play home and homes ,have never played an FCS team. And have done it without going the independent route

NolePride said:
Now they could always try to play 4 OOC games against P5 schools
a year and they should try to do that. But the bottom feeders of
the Power 5 leagues won't schedule them because they are fighting
for 6 wins to get bowl eligible. I'm not sure that the upper half
of the P5 leagues want to schedule them, just because it wouldn't
be a guaranteed win.

This is part of the problem and why I don't buy into the "water down the regular season myth. The regular season is already watered down. By teams using weak scheduling and guaranteed wins. While avoiding an extra conference loss to pad stats. Whether it be to gain an advantage with the committee. Or for bowl eligibility for a meaningless bowl.

I agree with @rmilia1 theres more money in bowl games (Extended play offs) by adding meaning to those games and putting them in a bigger spotlight alone. So I don't buy the money angle eithe. I also think CCGS should carry a lot more weight too tho. Too much of the current system is based on opinion. Not enough is decided on the field

I prefer games with meaning and a true champion. The play offs are a good start but they really do have a lot of room and need for improvement. I think 8 is the number tho

WizardHawk · Oct 16, 2018

rmilia1 said:
So using computer rankings and actual league results are "my opinion "?? Lol ok man we get it. You don't like change

And I get it, you refuse to answer the question asked.

And, no, there are no computer rankings that can tell you how much money a hypothetical complete redo of college football will bring. There are no actual league results that will tell you how the balance of money and power will shift. Those are pure speculation and are wildly outlandish.

But do keep with strawman bullshit and avoiding simple questions. It's really helping you look a whole lot better.

rmilia1 · Oct 17, 2018

Rolltide94 said:
Does Iowa feel the same way about losing the revenue from the home game?

What about ESPN, I'm guessing they would feel differently about showing a bowl game that they own, versus a 1 vs 32 matchup that they don't.

Not only are you asking them to replace a for profit bowl game that they own with a playoff game that you want them to pay extra for, but you also want them to eliminate games they've already paid the rights for.

Best of luck with your fantasy league.

Most leagues revenue share so the B10 would've got roughly 50-60 million so that makes up a large portion of losing a home game. Plus you'd likely see conference rights go up in conjunction with playoff rights . Programming is easy . Just add extra bye weeks and you recoup all the programming pkys teams will be healthier once the playoffs hit

WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE · Oct 17, 2018

Fitbud said:
The Mid Major schools should simply play other mid major schools and have their own mid major championship.

A 6 team playoff with all G5 champions and one at large for highest ranked independent that's not N.D.

No. Move to an 8-team playoff, so the power conference champions, the 12-1/11-1 wildcards, and teams like 2017 UCF and 2016 WMU have a shot.

Deep Creek · Oct 17, 2018

cwalke3408 said:
| Rating | Viewers (in thousands) | 2017 Reg Season Games
| 7.6 | 13,657 | November 25, 2017 Alabama vs. Auburn (SEC) (CBS)
| 8.0 | 13,466 | December 2, 2017 Georgia vs. Auburn (SEC Champ.) (CBS)
| 7.3 | 12,918 | December 2, 2017 Ohio State vs. Wisconsin (Big Ten Champ.) (FOX)
| 6.9 | 12,335 | September 2, 2017 Alabama vs. FSU (SEC, ACC) (ABC)
| 6.1 | 10,507 | November 25, 2017 Ohio State vs. Michigan (Big Ten) (FOX)
| 5.8 | 9,868 | October 28, 2017 Penn State vs. Ohio State (Big Ten) (FOX)
| 5.2 | 8,419 | December 8, 2017 Army vs. Navy (Ind. America) (CBS)
| 4.6 | 8,081 | September 9, 2017 Oklahoma vs. Ohio State (Big 12, Big Ten) (ABC)
| 4.9 | 7,650 | September 2, 2017 Michigan vs. Florida (Big Ten, SEC) (ABC)
| 4.4 | 7,407 | November 11, 2017 Georgia vs. Auburn (SEC) (CBS)

College football viewership figures 2018 | Statistic

Idk, CFB looks pretty good to me

Yeah, that Liberty vs Baylor game was must see TV.

Deep Creek · Oct 17, 2018

NolePride said:
I was just remarking tht to play an
FSU schedule of old, they would have to go the Independent
route. Nobody is going to do that anymore.

Yep. The only ones that I can think of that going independent might be in their own best "financial" interest are those biggies that could negotiate their own BIG deals which are a lot greater than their current conference share. That requires having a national following instead of a regional following. And, there ain't but a handful of those. And that would only apply to football because I don't see any of them willing to give up the conference affiliation in the other sports. Those biggies might not need the smaller dudes in football but they damn sure need those schools in the other sports.

Deep Creek · Oct 17, 2018

TheRobotDevil said:
The regular season is already watered down. By teams using weak scheduling and guaranteed wins.

Mid Major schools should have their own division

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